If you are looking for socialist planning at a level of state planning, then, maybe, this book from Roland Boer might help:
Brief information of the book:
This book examines the historical development-in practice and theory-of governance in socialist systems. With more than a century of such development from many parts of the world, including the Soviet Union, China, and the DPRK (North Korea), it is possible to gain much from careful study of their political systems.But what is the nature of this socialist governance? (...) The book begins with careful analysis of the works of Marx and Engels, with a particular emphasis on Engels, who was crucial in establishing the basic principles of socialist governance. Next, the book focuses on the Soviet Union, which was the first country in human history to experience socialism in power. The rarely studied DPRK (North Korea) comes next, as a transition to East Asia, followed by a number of chapters on China, which arguably has the most developed form of socialist governance.
However, if you are looking for a level of planning within a grassroot organization within a capitalist state, then maybe comrades could share something regarding the Black Panthers in the US.
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cerealkiller [he/him, comrade/them] - 1mon
I could use the grassroots one too honestly. I just want to get into the nitty gritty detail of It all.
I'm still learning but I feel like I dont know how Its all actually done yet If that makes sense besides the basic principles: seazing the means of production, councils of working class people electing delegates and officials etc. So excuse me If I sound kinda stupid here.
This is the story of Huey Newton, Bobby Seale, Kathleen Cleaver, Fred Hampton, Ericka Huggins, Angela Davis, George Jackson, Assata Shakur, Bunchy Carter, Elaine Brown, George Murray, Geronimo Pratt, and the Black Panthers who put their lives on the line for revolution. This is the history of their struggle against racism and American imperialism, how they built power from below, the war waged against them by the U.S. government, and the eventual unravelling of their movement.
Power to the People explores the impact and achievements of this revolutionary organization. The words are Bobby Seale’s, with contributions by other former party members. The photographs are by Stephen Shames, the Panther’s most trusted documentarian. Power to the People is a testament to their warm association, combining Shames’s memorable images with Seale’s colorful in-depth commentary culled from many hours of conversation.
In here, the book explores the the free breakfasts for children, the food give aways and neighborhood security.
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star (she) - 1mon
it's the smart thing to do to ask questions. you might also be interested in The Immediate Tasks of the Soviet Government by Lenin if you want to learn more about socialist governance immediately after a revolution. In general I'm an advocate for learning about the history of the ussr.
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darkernations - 1mon
If you want an interesting take of the experimental project in Kerala consider the People's Planning by Thomas Isaac (ie surmounting what feels like the impossibility of an attempt of socialist governance under a federal dictatorship of capital. It puts most Westerners to shame what they can do there with a lot less resources despite a brutal central government).
Inside the Prolewiki Project Cybersyn page you can also find some links to books and a couple of articles.
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cerealkiller [he/him, comrade/them] - 1mon
Thank you! I'll be sure to check It out.
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the rizzler - 1mon
i haven't read it since i was a baby leftist socdem type, but iirc it's more about modern capitalist planning than socialist planning. it does make the argument that they're very similar to one another. there's a chapter in there about project cybersyn which in hindsight kind of gives the impression it's about computer-based planning more than anything else. idk where i was going with this comment but the book was one of the things that convinced me maybe there's a future beyond market-deifying commodity fetishism
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star (she) - 1mon
yeah I think the main argument of the book is to dispel the myth that economic planning doesn't work, by giving the example of economic planning all around us all the time even in a capitalist economy. socialist planning would of course be vastly different because it would not focus on profit maximisation.
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aftermarks - 1mon
"Socialism in Power" by Boer is a good place to start for historical examples. "Socialist Reconstruction" by the PSL lays out how a transition to a planned economy could look in the U.S.
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star (she) - 1mon
what are you looking for exactly?
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cerealkiller [he/him, comrade/them] - 1mon
I'm looking for the details of how exactly Its all done.
I'm still reading theory and Im aware that in early socialism the profit motive wont go completely away after some time.
So how will workers be payed, how do are prices set by the state, how is production coordinated etc. ?
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star (she) - 1mon
It is important to keep in mind that there is no one way to do socialism / planned economy. Even in the soviet union, the way the economy was planned was vastly different throughout it's lifetime. So take everything you read with a grain of salt, any theoretically designed planned economy will not survive colliding with reality. That doesn't mean that a planned economy cannot exist, it's just that the implementation of it will depend on the exact time and place. And we haven't seen a large scale centrally planned economy since the USSR, so there is very little practical experience to base any theory on.
Paul Cockshott tries to describe an such an ideal system in Towards a New Socialism (fyi don't read his non economy opinions, he's a transphobe of the UK variety). It's an interesting thought experiment, although theory heavy. I also second what others commenters recommended.
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darkernations - 1mon
PC also thinks England went through brief periods of socialism and that accumulation of wealth (he felt there was not much) from the slave trade did not contribute signficantly to England's industrial revolution. I have since watched and read everything he has to offer with a critical eye, and may consider writing a critique on his past work sometime in the future (I will need to re-read them with a better dialectical materialist lens and I suspect in doing so it will bolster my own understanding of theory).
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star (she) - 1mon
I wouldn’t be surprised tbh. I don’t revere his economic analysis or anything. It’s just hard to find anyone at all working on economic planning theory.
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darkernations - 1mon
The last video I saw was laughable - it was a junior doctor presentation on the recent strikes uploaded/promoted on his channel who accused the doctors of being reactionary because they supported trans rights (along with some other patsoc nonsense that service workers are not proletriat because of unproductive labour ie rehashing-baristas-aren't-workers argument)
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mx_oceanwater_they_them [none/use name] - 4w
You should look into "Linear programmning". Some soviet Mathematician got the Nobel price for it as well. Linear programming can be used to optimize supply chains of planned economies (it was used in the soviet union that way), logistics of armies (an American army planner, with the surname Danzig was involved here) , or the economics of mega-cooperations.
Basically "Linear programming" and the Simplex-Method are an algorithm that can optimize a problem across many dimensions, to get minimum inputs for maximum output.
cerealkiller in asklemmygrad
Anyone got any resources on socialist planning?
If you are looking for socialist planning at a level of state planning, then, maybe, this book from Roland Boer might help:
Brief information of the book:
However, if you are looking for a level of planning within a grassroot organization within a capitalist state, then maybe comrades could share something regarding the Black Panthers in the US.
I could use the grassroots one too honestly. I just want to get into the nitty gritty detail of It all.
I'm still learning but I feel like I dont know how Its all actually done yet If that makes sense besides the basic principles: seazing the means of production, councils of working class people electing delegates and officials etc. So excuse me If I sound kinda stupid here.
Well, I can think of these two books:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71V6UHFxotL._SL1000_.jpg
and
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71u4e2Qc+8L._SL1004_.jpg
In here, the book explores the the free breakfasts for children, the food give aways and neighborhood security.
it's the smart thing to do to ask questions. you might also be interested in The Immediate Tasks of the Soviet Government by Lenin if you want to learn more about socialist governance immediately after a revolution. In general I'm an advocate for learning about the history of the ussr.
If you want an interesting take of the experimental project in Kerala consider the People's Planning by Thomas Isaac (ie surmounting what feels like the impossibility of an attempt of socialist governance under a federal dictatorship of capital. It puts most Westerners to shame what they can do there with a lot less resources despite a brutal central government).
I haven't read the book, but maybe People's Republic of Walmart could be interesting.
Inside the Prolewiki Project Cybersyn page you can also find some links to books and a couple of articles.
Thank you! I'll be sure to check It out.
i haven't read it since i was a baby leftist socdem type, but iirc it's more about modern capitalist planning than socialist planning. it does make the argument that they're very similar to one another. there's a chapter in there about project cybersyn which in hindsight kind of gives the impression it's about computer-based planning more than anything else. idk where i was going with this comment but the book was one of the things that convinced me maybe there's a future beyond market-deifying commodity fetishism
yeah I think the main argument of the book is to dispel the myth that economic planning doesn't work, by giving the example of economic planning all around us all the time even in a capitalist economy. socialist planning would of course be vastly different because it would not focus on profit maximisation.
"Socialism in Power" by Boer is a good place to start for historical examples. "Socialist Reconstruction" by the PSL lays out how a transition to a planned economy could look in the U.S.
what are you looking for exactly?
I'm looking for the details of how exactly Its all done.
I'm still reading theory and Im aware that in early socialism the profit motive wont go completely away after some time.
So how will workers be payed, how do are prices set by the state, how is production coordinated etc. ?
It is important to keep in mind that there is no one way to do socialism / planned economy. Even in the soviet union, the way the economy was planned was vastly different throughout it's lifetime. So take everything you read with a grain of salt, any theoretically designed planned economy will not survive colliding with reality. That doesn't mean that a planned economy cannot exist, it's just that the implementation of it will depend on the exact time and place. And we haven't seen a large scale centrally planned economy since the USSR, so there is very little practical experience to base any theory on.
Paul Cockshott tries to describe an such an ideal system in Towards a New Socialism (fyi don't read his non economy opinions, he's a transphobe of the UK variety). It's an interesting thought experiment, although theory heavy. I also second what others commenters recommended.
PC also thinks England went through brief periods of socialism and that accumulation of wealth (he felt there was not much) from the slave trade did not contribute signficantly to England's industrial revolution. I have since watched and read everything he has to offer with a critical eye, and may consider writing a critique on his past work sometime in the future (I will need to re-read them with a better dialectical materialist lens and I suspect in doing so it will bolster my own understanding of theory).
I wouldn’t be surprised tbh. I don’t revere his economic analysis or anything. It’s just hard to find anyone at all working on economic planning theory.
The last video I saw was laughable - it was a junior doctor presentation on the recent strikes uploaded/promoted on his channel who accused the doctors of being reactionary because they supported trans rights (along with some other patsoc nonsense that service workers are not proletriat because of unproductive labour ie rehashing-baristas-aren't-workers argument)
You should look into "Linear programmning". Some soviet Mathematician got the Nobel price for it as well. Linear programming can be used to optimize supply chains of planned economies (it was used in the soviet union that way), logistics of armies (an American army planner, with the surname Danzig was involved here) , or the economics of mega-cooperations.
Basically "Linear programming" and the Simplex-Method are an algorithm that can optimize a problem across many dimensions, to get minimum inputs for maximum output.
https://ia800401.us.archive.org/19/items/DynamicStabilityTheSovietEconomyToday/Dynamic Stability The Soviet Economy Today.pdf
https://annas-archive.org/md5/b957661b362e33cdf0eb5abbada7bda5
https://shared.prolewiki.org/uploads/6/6b/Soviet_data.pdf
https://shared.prolewiki.org/uploads/9/96/Economics_of_education.pdf
https://annas-archive.org/md5/65b935a1570af23419548689a0b7031b