Where I learned things and inhaled books at a furious rate? Yes. Where I was successful academically? No.
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Septimaeus @infosec.pub - 5day
Never let school get in the way of your education.
Caveat: I’ve said this brashly to several deans, when it seemed appropriately inappropriate, and while a few are now good friends, the others acted troubled and now seem to avoid me. That is, YMMV. Some lifer academics may not understand when you disregard the only rubrics they know.
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atrielienz @lemmy.world - 5day
I did a lot better in college before I had to drop out because of lack of funds. But most of my academic career was failure after failure.
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Septimaeus @infosec.pub - 5day
If you mean grades, I’d encourage you to disentangle your own retrospective self-evaluation. The point is learning, which is ultimately a personal journey. Grades are just an institutional proxy for learning outcomes, and when some students can afford private tutors when others have to work third shift to remain enrolled, the currency isn’t fungible. That is, grades are buttons and bottle caps. Learning, curiosity, discovery, and knowledge, for its own sake, is the only true currency in education.
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atrielienz @lemmy.world - 5day
It's definitely grades. But that's coupled with the fact that I grasp concepts pretty fast and can understand how things work generally at s glance. The minutiae I can grasp if I am interested (it's novel), but my brain will actively jettison information it doesn't think I need or doesn't think is useful.
If I couldn't learn I wouldn't be able to do any of the trades I've been successful at. But I do see what you mean.
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marcos @lemmy.world - 5day
Looks like you need practice to go together with that theory your brain thinks is useless.
3
atrielienz @lemmy.world - 4day
Yeah, or hands on use. A use case where the theory is applicable.
5
Naz @sh.itjust.works - 3day
There's a sheer existential terror of man fully actualized and living the most free life, observed from the other side of an academic table
Whereas one life is half over and full of regrets, and mistakes
The other has only just begun, and seems full of potential and worse yet, certainty
What is there to do but to try to destroy something so beautiful?
2
kameecoding @lemmy.world - 5day
I mean, making joints out of the pages of books doesn't magically make you smart, you gotta read those pages first
10
Rachel - 5day
Is the help me part when you get a postdoc or still phd candidate?
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fossilesque - 5day
Yes.
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barnaclebutt - 5day
No, it's when you are finished with your first postdoc and trying to get a faculty position.
14
socsa - 4day
Bro, I am making pre-leased Camry money now
1
Kenny2999 - 5day
First day at the office dealing with all the narcistic sociopaths utilzing the knowhow of my doctorate in engineering.
13
JesusChristLover420 @lemmy.sdf.org - 5day
Jesus is sad when you use slurs. He had narcissistic personality disorder, and he was still a really nice guy. His grandiosity earned him a lot of suffering in life, he was even killed by the state for it. Truly, it was a disability. But he was by no means a bad person; he taught kindness, charity, pacifism, and empathy. Also, he was a communist.
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barnaclebutt - 4day
Wow, this comment just yells I'm a crazy person.
4
Digit - 5day
I learned this much:
I learned the education system is a lie.
3 times they bait and switched me:
From standard grade chemistry, promised to educate on chemistry, the whole periodic table, etc... Higher chemistry, they trained us to be industry drones, focusing on hydrocarbons only.
From Art & Design 1st year college, promised to educate on art, all art... 2nd Year, knitting. (WTF).
From Computer Art 2nd year college, promised to educate on all computer arts... 3rd year, web design. (WTF).
I gave up on formal education after that (~ a decision that was further confirmed by other fails noticed in that last year).
In the following year, I learned more on my own with an internet connection and a library card, than I had learned in the entire prior 14 years of formal "education".
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OpenStars - 5day
Stay curious.
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prole @lemmy.blahaj.zone - 5day
I imagine this experience varies wildly depending on school
12
Pearl - 4day
An A in Caluculus 2 for one school can be a C for another.
This is why you get As in all the easy classes before transferring
2
kernelle @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 5day
I've learned the same, but I've concluded the following: there's a proper path for everyone, but there aren't enough educators to give proper guidance in finding your path. If you can and are willing, I would still recommend the formal education. It's finding your own path of growth that's the difficult part.
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chgxvjh [he/him, comrade/them] - 5day
education system
Or as I like to call it imperial examination system
1
Clent @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 5day
Strong anti-intellectual vibes to this one.
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SanctimoniousApe @lemmings.world - 5day
You guys had a peak?
Yeah - I was in top form... when I started. Then it was all downhill from there.
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fossilesque - 4day
The old slip n' slide. Classic.
3
socsa - 4day
Surely there will always be a job market for people who know as much about chlorine-argon biosynthesis of semi-compatible carbon lattice polymers withinn a Larson-Chekov matrix as I do.
15 years later: "Hm, we are actually looking for expertise with the Anderson-Palmer reagent matrix."
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1984 @lemmy.today - 5day
I worked for about 25 years. Was very worth it getting an education. But today... I dont know. Looks like endgame capitalism kills society.
12
theneverfox @pawb.social - 4day
I agree with this, but just because I was around people my age with lots of free time
Freedom doesn't work when the people around you aren't free
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Venus_Ziegenfalle @feddit.org - 5day
Me for about a decade before going fuck it and learning a trade
7
Digit - 4day
Hindsight: Wish I had.
Foresight: Still can.
6
HalfSalesman @lemmy.world - 4day
I feel like the downward trend after the peak is accelerated if you are specifically studying philosophy.
5
hedge_lord @lemmy.world - 3day
Is it grinding away at what little remains of my mental health? Yes! But it also allows me to do funny little experiments!!
(and also no one would hire me... but I guess that means that I can stave off the soul-crushing capitalism-flavoured hell for a bit longer! I'm screwed anyway!)
3
AntiOutsideAktion [he/him] - 5day
yeah it's at the end of sophomore year when you've taken your last 100 class
3
JamesBoeing737MAX @sopuli.xyz - 5day
For me, it was the 1st year of high school, but I'm not an academic (yet hopefully).
fossilesque in science_memes
You guys had a peak?
Where I learned things and inhaled books at a furious rate? Yes. Where I was successful academically? No.
Never let school get in the way of your education.
Caveat: I’ve said this brashly to several deans, when it seemed appropriately inappropriate, and while a few are now good friends, the others acted troubled and now seem to avoid me. That is, YMMV. Some lifer academics may not understand when you disregard the only rubrics they know.
I did a lot better in college before I had to drop out because of lack of funds. But most of my academic career was failure after failure.
If you mean grades, I’d encourage you to disentangle your own retrospective self-evaluation. The point is learning, which is ultimately a personal journey. Grades are just an institutional proxy for learning outcomes, and when some students can afford private tutors when others have to work third shift to remain enrolled, the currency isn’t fungible. That is, grades are buttons and bottle caps. Learning, curiosity, discovery, and knowledge, for its own sake, is the only true currency in education.
It's definitely grades. But that's coupled with the fact that I grasp concepts pretty fast and can understand how things work generally at s glance. The minutiae I can grasp if I am interested (it's novel), but my brain will actively jettison information it doesn't think I need or doesn't think is useful.
If I couldn't learn I wouldn't be able to do any of the trades I've been successful at. But I do see what you mean.
Looks like you need practice to go together with that theory your brain thinks is useless.
Yeah, or hands on use. A use case where the theory is applicable.
There's a sheer existential terror of man fully actualized and living the most free life, observed from the other side of an academic table
Whereas one life is half over and full of regrets, and mistakes
The other has only just begun, and seems full of potential and worse yet, certainty
What is there to do but to try to destroy something so beautiful?
I mean, making joints out of the pages of books doesn't magically make you smart, you gotta read those pages first
Is the help me part when you get a postdoc or still phd candidate?
Yes.
No, it's when you are finished with your first postdoc and trying to get a faculty position.
Bro, I am making pre-leased Camry money now
First day at the office dealing with all the narcistic sociopaths utilzing the knowhow of my doctorate in engineering.
Jesus is sad when you use slurs. He had narcissistic personality disorder, and he was still a really nice guy. His grandiosity earned him a lot of suffering in life, he was even killed by the state for it. Truly, it was a disability. But he was by no means a bad person; he taught kindness, charity, pacifism, and empathy. Also, he was a communist.
Wow, this comment just yells I'm a crazy person.
I learned this much:
I learned the education system is a lie.
3 times they bait and switched me:
From standard grade chemistry, promised to educate on chemistry, the whole periodic table, etc... Higher chemistry, they trained us to be industry drones, focusing on hydrocarbons only.
From Art & Design 1st year college, promised to educate on art, all art... 2nd Year, knitting. (WTF).
From Computer Art 2nd year college, promised to educate on all computer arts... 3rd year, web design. (WTF).
I gave up on formal education after that (~ a decision that was further confirmed by other fails noticed in that last year).
In the following year, I learned more on my own with an internet connection and a library card, than I had learned in the entire prior 14 years of formal "education".
Stay curious.
I imagine this experience varies wildly depending on school
An A in Caluculus 2 for one school can be a C for another.
This is why you get As in all the easy classes before transferring
I've learned the same, but I've concluded the following: there's a proper path for everyone, but there aren't enough educators to give proper guidance in finding your path. If you can and are willing, I would still recommend the formal education. It's finding your own path of growth that's the difficult part.
Or as I like to call it imperial examination system
Strong anti-intellectual vibes to this one.
Yeah - I was in top form... when I started. Then it was all downhill from there.
The old slip n' slide. Classic.
Surely there will always be a job market for people who know as much about chlorine-argon biosynthesis of semi-compatible carbon lattice polymers withinn a Larson-Chekov matrix as I do.
15 years later: "Hm, we are actually looking for expertise with the Anderson-Palmer reagent matrix."
I worked for about 25 years. Was very worth it getting an education. But today... I dont know. Looks like endgame capitalism kills society.
I agree with this, but just because I was around people my age with lots of free time
Freedom doesn't work when the people around you aren't free
Me for about a decade before going fuck it and learning a trade
Hindsight: Wish I had.
Foresight: Still can.
I feel like the downward trend after the peak is accelerated if you are specifically studying philosophy.
Is it grinding away at what little remains of my mental health? Yes! But it also allows me to do funny little experiments!!
(and also no one would hire me... but I guess that means that I can stave off the soul-crushing capitalism-flavoured hell for a bit longer! I'm screwed anyway!)
yeah it's at the end of sophomore year when you've taken your last 100 class
For me, it was the 1st year of high school, but I'm not an academic (yet hopefully).