I'm stealing this

Raytheon would be equally accepted here.

"our hiring system is even less discriminatory than our targeting system!" -their motto, probably

Bravo!

I know TI had a history of weapons manufacturing, but haven't they stopped now?

Science grad with 10 years engineering experience. I had to turn down a lot of jobs before I found one that didn't involve killing people. It took two years. I'm paid about half of what I could get if I sold my morals. Totally worth it.

Depending on engineering discipline, oil & gas is another common one.

There's positive tech stuff out here too, bud. You'll likely need to look for yourself though, the recruiter reaching out to you is better funded for some reason.

When you're 60 and the choice is either a permanent contract for the army or 1 or 2 years elsewhere, you're going to choose army.

Thank you for your service.

I would like to goon to some of your games

series of increasingly large dominoes where the smallest is "NVIDIA releases CUDA" and the largest is "the entire global economy has become dependent on running a useless computer program that tricks stupid people into believing it can do anything worthwhile"

Yeah, I got started in silicon thinking cheaper, faster, more power efficient chips would be a net benefit to the world... Then we became a social media surveillance state and AI dogshit is just the icing on the cake.

Now I drink to forget we're boiling the oceans to ruin society. One day this capitalist hellscape will end.

There's still a few of us out here using ROPs and texture units

This is part of the reason I moved to CA. As an engineer I'm always going to have some kind of environmental impact, and I think a direct initiative is necessary for the public to consent.

This comment is known to the state of California to cause birth defects.

You turned down lockheed, lockheed rejected me.

https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/1d4d287a-35d2-450f-b8b5-f44fc14e8923.gif

Yeah, their equity package wasn't as good as Anduril.

It’s easier than you’d think. The applicant pool doesn’t tend to be the best and brightest.

That's why I work at a legs company

yeah they're an option in my area and I've made the decision several times to not look at any positions they have

I sometimes wonder if we all truly have a price for our souls. I felt similarly when seeing positions at health insurance companies, pay was high enough that I paused despite how much I despise them.

If you're working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.

For what it's worth, I believe at the moment of death, people can no longer lie to themselves and have to face what they've done through the eyes of their inner child. Some people have these realisations at some earlier point, too. But I don't believe anyone gets away with it.
That's what "live each day like it's going to be your last" means to me. Face up to the decisions you made as if you're your own jury, because eventually you will be.

Can't go to hell if you have no soul.

*taps temple

This is literally everyone with a 401k.

Department of War*

DBA Department of War Crimes

So basically any american with a 401k since that money is highly likely invested on these companies.

Wouldn't they still be disappointed that you are an engineer and not a doctor?

Do you think your Taiwanese background plays into that kind of thinking?

Leave it to an engineer to think that this meme is literally claiming there's a hell.

Although I can imagine what hell would look like: commuting for 1h to sit in an office that has more people than desks to have a zoom meeting over VPN with flaky wifi and AC that is set to overheat whoever sits under the vent and under heat everyone further.

Oh did I tell you that meeting could have been an email? And the coffee machine broke yesterday. And there's a bathroom queue.

True, these people will not face justice through any natural force of the universe, only by people holding them accountable for the harm they cause.

there’s probably an infinite number of paths, and an even greater number of perspectives to be considered across each moment and position along each of them. or absolutely nothing at all. most other possibilities seem so unlikely, they probably aren’t worth considering

Im currently in school and trying to get into the prosthetic industry after I get my engineering degree. Any recommendations on projects that could help me flesh out my skills?

I’m working on abstract verification of access policies instead

😅 Here's an article on how that contributes to killing people: https://arxiv.org/html/2508.17043v1

Right, and we live in a capitalist world, so I feel like it shouldn't be a dilemma. Seems pretty clear cut.

It's like you're basing your ethical judgment of it on a world that you admit doesn't exist

Then they become human ablating lasers as the tech keeps shrinking...

Building the SUV would be more ethical though.

The US could cut its arsenal by 90% and still have nothing to fear from anyone. That shit isn't for defense it's to threaten the rest of the world.

How about we split the difference and only cut two thirds of all military spending? We would still be pouring more money into it than any country on earth.

Who is "us"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

“He has good morals and ethics”

How could he possibly if he has devoted his life to creating weapons? What’s his response if and when his guns are used for violence, be it murder, suicide, armed robbery, etc? Even if he is “small time” for “enthusiasts” of the “sport” it is only a matter of time until this occurs. How does he reconcile this? That it’s not the guns fault? Just the glamorization of them, the obscene amount of them, the fact that they are readily available, pushing it onto “mental health”, or some other scapegoat that allows him to escape accountability for facilitating mortal violence.

I hope your friend goes out business and his entire industry collapses.

I find that there's a lot of overlap between people who like engines, clocks, and guns. They're all machines with a concrete goal, harnessing an incredible force in a very controlled way, through precise, complex mechanisms and allow near complete freedom on how exactly you achieve that goal. There's a beauty to it that's hard to find anywhere else.

The feeder will be used to force feed prisoners.

Do you ever imagine your pond is colored red, symbolizing the blood of millions of innocent lives taken by your industry?

Do you wonder how many of your industry's victims dreamed of having a nice, quiet, peaceful life by a pond?

Almost? Tell that to the snowstorm that attacked me yesterday.

I don't think, specially with current events unfolding before our eyes, of war as a precise thing.

We have precise enough weapons already.

Points israel

This is the most this clip thing I have ever read in my life.

Yeah, but we all know what those bombs do, so many don't participate in building them.

But you are fully aware who's wielding the tools you build...

Ok, Mr. Hitler, I'll give you this truckload of bombs, but you have to pinky promise that you won't drop them on Britain.

Dangit, he dropped them on Britain, didn't he? Oh well, not my fault. Guess I'll go get him another truckload of bombs, he'll be needing them now.

-The average day of a Lockheed Martin employee

This argument is deeply flawed, and I've heard engineers working on arms projects using it to justify what they're doing. That, and the "I just build it, it's not me pulling the trigger" are trotted out to soothe dying moral consciences all the time. There are far too many bright minds being used to create death and suffering.
The fact that by partaking in this industry, you form a critical part of the decision and event chain that leads to bad people killing innocent people is important, morally, and completely unchanged by whether it not someone else will do it. So it does matter if you turn that job down, and not just for your own conscience. If enough people turn down these jobs then that will change politics. And those that do choose to take them need to face up to their responsibility in enabling and perpetuating horror.

It will still happen is a bit of a fallacy. It’s one less person doing that job but I agree that one person won’t make a meaningful change

However the thing that changes is that if you reject that job you reduced by 100% your direct contribution to people killing missiles. Someone else will design that missile but at least you won’t have to live with the guilt that you did

Now, if it’s between that and a much worse life, I won’t blame anyone. But it’s a choice that everyone has to make for themselves. Personally I have possibility to reject those offers, and so I do.

Yeah, this is why I became a hitman. Who cares? Other than the victims' friends and families, obviously.

But you really think they wouldn't just hire someone else? Murdering people for the mob is morally neutral.

Actual hot take.