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The English phrase-as-lemma construction: When a phrase masquerades as a word, people play along

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/962899

As an avid (ab)user of phrases-as-lemmata, I found this interesting.

Discovered through YouTube: Linguists just made a breakthrough in defining a 'word. ' No, really

Lvxferre [he/him] - 3mon

That's interesting. I did some grammaticality tests, and my conclusion is that they behave a lot like nouns, but with further restrictions. Like this:

Sentence a. "we're-better-than-you" (PAL) b. "arrogant" (adj.) c. "arrogance" (n.)
1. Their [__] behaviour is annoying. OK OK OK
2. Their [__] is annoying OK? bad OK
3. They [__] fairly often bad bad bad

I'm not a native speaker, mind you. I feel like 2a ("Their we're-better-than-you is annoying.") is kind of passable? It doesn't sound as malformed as using 3a (trying to force the PAL into a verb position), but it sounds worse than 1a. I wonder if native speakers agree or disagree with this.

The text does mention Portuguese (my L1) also allows PALs, so I repeated the tests:

Sentence a. "somos-melhores-que-vocês" (PAL) b. "arrogante" (adj.) c. "arrogância" (n.)
4. O comportamento [__] deles é irritante. bad OK bad
5. O comportamento de [__] deles é irritante. OK ? OK
6. (O/A) [__] deles é irritante. OK (with "o") bad OK (with "a")
7. Eles [__] constantemente. bad bad bad

4a sounds extremely broken, even if its English equivalent (1a) sounds OK. That makes sense if they're behaving like nouns - unlike English, Portuguese doesn't allow nouns to directly modify each other. I'd also probably give 5b a pass but, again, language specificities - it's easier to promote an adjective to a noun in Portuguese than in English.

Interesting share regardless of the above - thanks for sharing it!

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Eccentric @sh.itjust.works - 3mon

To me as a native speaker, 1c is ungrammatical. I do agree that 2a is surprisingly grammatical though.

I will say grammar is really not my strong suit (and I only had time to skim the paper) but I have a decent background in semantics. Maybe I've just been working a lot with euphemisms lately, but PALs almost seem to function like euphemisms?

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Lvxferre [he/him] - 3mon

As if they were replacing some word, right? Except the word might not exist in this case.

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