the democrats bravely tried to beat trump at the last election anyway they could
you've been campaigning against them the whole time and helped trump get elected
i guess that doesn't make you a coward, not sure what it does make you though
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slumlordthanatos @lemmy.world - 9mon
Yeah, bravely tried to beat Trump by ignoring their constituents, handwaving a genocide, kowtowing to corporate donors and trying to appeal to moderate Republicans who have been told non-stop for the past 40 years that Democrats are evil and out to destroy the country.
When your constituents want change and you campaign on keeping things the same, that's a colossal failure of party leadership, and it shouldn't be surprising that your voters will become disillusioned and stay home.
Since you don't know what it takes to win elections, keep it to yourself.
You have to decide between whatever brain-rot logic around electoralism has brought you to the place where you are and winning elections. You don't get to have both.
2
jimmy90 @lemmy.world - 9mon
that's right between campaigning against the democrats and campaigning against trump you chose the democrats and helped trump win
it must have been such a hard choice between project 2025 and not-fascists
you must have been huffing so much putin propaganda you could barely see
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TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world - 9mon
Which would you rather have?
Would you like the Democrat to have won the election, or do you want to be "correct" in your approach to politics?
You don't get to have both.
And to be clear: You aren't actually arguing with me. Its the 6 million Democrats who showed up for Biden, but who failed to be convinced by this approach to rhetoric.
So it all comes back to you. I made my case ad-naseum, begging Democrats to change their rhetoric, their approach to electoralism, because it was incredibly clear that the manner in which Democrats were campaigning and approaching the election would lose. People with a mental disorder interpret that argument as an attack on the Democratic candidate.
It would be great if I was wrong; if it was fine for Harris to have run, effectively as a rightwing canddiate, and have won the election. But she didn't win the election. I wasn't wrong in my analysis, before, during, and after, that the manner in which Harris was campaigning (and Biden before her) was going to lose the election.
If you take that as me making an argument against Harris, or for Trump, you should seek help with your mind.
It all comes down to you and a choice you still have available to you: Are you willing to change your mind such that we can get Democrats to win elections, or, are you more heavily invested in a deluded approach to electoralism, where you get to claim a form of psychological correctness, but can't win elections?
3
jimmy90 @lemmy.world - 9mon
at least you admit you were campaigning against the democrats the whole time
you wanted trump sooo badly
as a socialist did you miss those great authoritarian times you get with trump and hamas
-3
TropicalDingdong @lemmy.world - 9mon
if these are the things you think, you are broken.
You are doing the job a of defeating the Democrats before there is even an election.
2
jimmy90 @lemmy.world - 9mon
i'm fine, but you don't realize you enabled trump's fascism and support fascism in the middle east
you're still trying to destroy the democrats due to your magical socialist ideology
the democrats are alive and well and voters will flock to them now they realize you sold them fundamentalist lies that caused incredible damage to their country
-1
0_o7 @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 9mon
"No way to prevent this, say the Democrats who are actively collaborating with the fascists"
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queermunist she/her - 9mon
Start a new Party jfc
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Ms. ArmoredThirteen - 9mon
Lots of people are trying but it's not so easy to do. Our voting system is geared to only allow two parties and any actual third party that starts to gain traction gets shut down by the people with money and existing power. I don't think it's strictly impossible but I also don't think we can realistically pull it off. We need a solution outside the existing hierarchy imo
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queermunist she/her - 9mon
Starting a new party is going to require current elected Democrats to leave the party and start a new one. It probably can't be done by just "lots of people" and has to be done with people who have serious clout.
6
Collatz_problem [comrade/them] - 9mon
Why would people who have power and wealth under the current system try to change it?
10
queermunist she/her - 9mon
Well supposedly some of them are "progressives" and want to actually enact progressive change in politics.
And to think, 2 months ago, 46 Dems signed, along with most republicans, the Laken-Riley act.
13
OldSoulHippie [he/him] - 9mon
I assume the usual suspects are nowhere to be found on this letter
12
Guy Ingonito - 9mon
They didn't used to be this way, for some reason under Biden they went super anti-immigration
10
surph_ninja @lemmy.world - 9mon
What a load of shit. What time period are you referring to when you believed Democrats were pro-immigrant? Let’s factcheck that shit.
Even Obama deported way more people than Trump, built the immigrant cages, and vastly expanded ICE. Clinton was equally anti-immigrant.
3
Guy Ingonito - 9mon
Off the top of my head there is DACA and DAPA. Clinton ran on closing private immigration detention centers.
0
surph_ninja @lemmy.world - 9mon
And Obama ran on closing gitmo. What they run on doesn’t fucking matter. It matters what they do.
3
Guy Ingonito - 9mon
I recall Obama signing an executive order first thing when he was elected. Congress overrode it.
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Eugene V. Debs' Ghost - 9mon
"For some reason."
2
Clinicallydepressedpoochie @lemmy.world - 9mon
Because when migrants did land on their doorsteps they went, "oh fucking hell no" and DNC knew the jig was up. If they had any semblance of control in the places they are elected they would have easily handled a bus or plane load of migrants. Except the fact they don't weild any power, only channel it for corporate interests, they don't have the tools to fight off attacks like these.
1
HubertManne - 9mon
sad as fuck.
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anarchoilluminati [comrade/them] - 9mon
Only?
I know we talk a lot of shit about Dems but I'm genuinely shocked that many signed off.
fossilesque in academia
Only 34 Democrats Sign Letter on ICE Making Students Disappear
https://newrepublic.com/post/193321/democrats-letter-ice-international-studentsBetween the House and the Senate, there are currently 258 Democrats in Congress.
And 224 of them are fascist collaborators.
https://hexbear.net/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchapo.chat%2Fpictrs%2Fimage%2F965c5726-852f-42d3-ab14-692846fd40ec.apng
The Democratic party is a party of cowards.
Most politicians are cowards.
the democrats bravely tried to beat trump at the last election anyway they could
you've been campaigning against them the whole time and helped trump get elected
i guess that doesn't make you a coward, not sure what it does make you though
Yeah, bravely tried to beat Trump by ignoring their constituents, handwaving a genocide, kowtowing to corporate donors and trying to appeal to moderate Republicans who have been told non-stop for the past 40 years that Democrats are evil and out to destroy the country.
When your constituents want change and you campaign on keeping things the same, that's a colossal failure of party leadership, and it shouldn't be surprising that your voters will become disillusioned and stay home.
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0f605025-fee2-4edf-a19e-b2cbf5c05b42.gif
Since you don't know what it takes to win elections, keep it to yourself.
You have to decide between whatever brain-rot logic around electoralism has brought you to the place where you are and winning elections. You don't get to have both.
that's right between campaigning against the democrats and campaigning against trump you chose the democrats and helped trump win
it must have been such a hard choice between project 2025 and not-fascists
you must have been huffing so much putin propaganda you could barely see
Which would you rather have?
Would you like the Democrat to have won the election, or do you want to be "correct" in your approach to politics?
You don't get to have both.
And to be clear: You aren't actually arguing with me. Its the 6 million Democrats who showed up for Biden, but who failed to be convinced by this approach to rhetoric.
So it all comes back to you. I made my case ad-naseum, begging Democrats to change their rhetoric, their approach to electoralism, because it was incredibly clear that the manner in which Democrats were campaigning and approaching the election would lose. People with a mental disorder interpret that argument as an attack on the Democratic candidate.
It would be great if I was wrong; if it was fine for Harris to have run, effectively as a rightwing canddiate, and have won the election. But she didn't win the election. I wasn't wrong in my analysis, before, during, and after, that the manner in which Harris was campaigning (and Biden before her) was going to lose the election.
If you take that as me making an argument against Harris, or for Trump, you should seek help with your mind.
It all comes down to you and a choice you still have available to you: Are you willing to change your mind such that we can get Democrats to win elections, or, are you more heavily invested in a deluded approach to electoralism, where you get to claim a form of psychological correctness, but can't win elections?
at least you admit you were campaigning against the democrats the whole time
you wanted trump sooo badly
as a socialist did you miss those great authoritarian times you get with trump and hamas
if these are the things you think, you are broken.
You are doing the job a of defeating the Democrats before there is even an election.
i'm fine, but you don't realize you enabled trump's fascism and support fascism in the middle east
you're still trying to destroy the democrats due to your magical socialist ideology
the democrats are alive and well and voters will flock to them now they realize you sold them fundamentalist lies that caused incredible damage to their country
"No way to prevent this, say the Democrats who are actively collaborating with the fascists"
Start a new Party jfc
Lots of people are trying but it's not so easy to do. Our voting system is geared to only allow two parties and any actual third party that starts to gain traction gets shut down by the people with money and existing power. I don't think it's strictly impossible but I also don't think we can realistically pull it off. We need a solution outside the existing hierarchy imo
Starting a new party is going to require current elected Democrats to leave the party and start a new one. It probably can't be done by just "lots of people" and has to be done with people who have serious clout.
Why would people who have power and wealth under the current system try to change it?
Well supposedly some of them are "progressives" and want to actually enact progressive change in politics.
🙃
Supposedly.
Here is the letter.
https://pressley.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Rumeysa-Ozturk-Letter.pdf
now it's on the voters to make some democrats disappear.
Oh no, not the letter!!
Just shows how cowardly the Democrats are now. Most of them were afraid to sign a piece of paper that means literally nothing.
Sigh, I see I can't trust my senator to do the right thing anymore. Edit: meaning he didn't sign it. POS trader.
Pathetic.
And to think, 2 months ago, 46 Dems signed, along with most republicans, the Laken-Riley act.
I assume the usual suspects are nowhere to be found on this letter
They didn't used to be this way, for some reason under Biden they went super anti-immigration
What a load of shit. What time period are you referring to when you believed Democrats were pro-immigrant? Let’s factcheck that shit.
Even Obama deported way more people than Trump, built the immigrant cages, and vastly expanded ICE. Clinton was equally anti-immigrant.
Off the top of my head there is DACA and DAPA. Clinton ran on closing private immigration detention centers.
And Obama ran on closing gitmo. What they run on doesn’t fucking matter. It matters what they do.
I recall Obama signing an executive order first thing when he was elected. Congress overrode it.
"For some reason."
Because when migrants did land on their doorsteps they went, "oh fucking hell no" and DNC knew the jig was up. If they had any semblance of control in the places they are elected they would have easily handled a bus or plane load of migrants. Except the fact they don't weild any power, only channel it for corporate interests, they don't have the tools to fight off attacks like these.
sad as fuck.
Only?
I know we talk a lot of shit about Dems but I'm genuinely shocked that many signed off.
My state included 9.