These were found in Cascadia in mid-November. What are they?
They were found in mid-november in the Salish Coast region of Cascadia. They were growing out of woodchips composed of a mixture of western hemlock (majority), and western red cedar.
My initial thought was that they were Psilocybe cyanescens, but that's pretty much completely been confirmed as incorrect [1][2][3][4][5]. The current running theory is that they are Hypholoma dispersum[2][3]. What do you think they are?
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I’m sorry to disappoint you, but even though they look similar to P. cyanescens, they aren’t.
Cyans have white-ish stems, dark gills, a purple-black spore print and bruise blue almost instantly when touching them.
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Sorry to disappoint but looks like hypholoma dispersum to me.
there’s no blueing on the stems or margin in any of your photos, the ones you picked should have had stained blue anywhere you touched them
The margin isn’t translucent striate
If the cap cuticle is peelable you could make a case that it’s not Hypholoma but without any blueing it’s gonna be Deconica not Psilocybe.
@the_artic_one@programming.dev. [To: "Found in mid-November in Cascadia. What are they? Please see the description for more information.". "Kalcifer" (@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works). "Forage Fellows 🍄🌱" (!foraging@lemm.ee)]. sh.itjust.works. Lemmy. Published: 2024-11-22T16:16:30Z. Accessed: 2024-11-23T03:21Z. https://sh.itjust.works/post/28348066/15185707.
That’s consistent with Hypholoma, maybe next time.
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[...] If I would see even a tiny speck of blue bruising I would be more inclined to agree with P. cyanescens, but I don’t see any at all, which makes me very suspicious. [...]
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the spore print is also brown here, but should be purple-ish black if it were Psilocybe spp., also the stipe looks wrong for that ID - I would say definitely not Psilocybe cyanescens (not just because they’re not bruising blue / purple / black).
Growing from hemlock with a darkish brown and fine spore I'd say
Hypholoma fasciculare
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the_artic_one @programming.dev - 1.1yr
I agree with hypholoma but fasciculare doesn't have white fibrils on the stipe like some of those do. Dispersum is a better match IMO.
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horse_battery_staple @lemmy.world - 1.1yr
Not having the mushrooms directly at hand your estimation is as good as mine.
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Kalcifer - 1.1yr
Hypholoma fasciculare
Hmm. I at least don't think that it's fasciculare. The stipe should have a collar [1.1] (though, I question this as none of the images I see seem to shop a collar), which this doesn't. The caps should be convex [1.1], which they aren't — the babies are somewhat, but the mature one's are wavy. From the picture's that I've seen, the color is also off — they're shown as more yellow [1.2][2], where this one is not yellow — the color of the specimens that I've observed is, in general, very different.
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These were found in Cascadia in mid-November. What are they?
They were found in mid-november in the Salish Coast region of Cascadia. They were growing out of woodchips composed of a mixture of western hemlock (majority), and western red cedar.
Side view of one full mature specimen:
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/f1e5cda8-d5b3-46e0-91a9-7930ff3cb74c.jpeg
A group with a sample of the substrate (the cap appears to be umbonate):
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/fce9489b-3e82-4d9c-a475-7de082ab23d3.jpeg
A closeup side view, and internal view of the stem (it appears to be hollow):
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/90c4ac0a-ec6c-4a1a-9daf-92e3422698c9.jpeg
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/ff84ae5a-2b5f-4b49-89b7-d74e74eebe21.jpeg
Cross section of the gills — they appear to be adnate, or sub-decurrent:
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/15dc9d18-0807-46b0-a2d4-7ef689626e39.jpeg
Underside of view of the gills:
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/dbc26cb4-8683-4138-93b6-d65d483c4abf.jpeg
Spore print (first on white background (the split is due to two halves), second on a black background):
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/9463ebb5-6e19-4b11-9ebd-22c75cc103f6.jpeg
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/693b25c4-dee2-4992-bdcb-03ac46294f94.jpeg
Examples specimens once dried:
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/befb0682-4b0a-469b-b918-5fe153e21f34.jpeg
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/deb77abf-1b92-4e7b-b657-bb104446bc96.jpeg
Examples of the colony, and the location/substrate in which it was growing:
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/8718c605-5825-46fc-b23b-862a5262283f.jpeg
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/de8ad1aa-77e2-4e4a-8bc7-3c4b7e18db2f.jpeg
My initial thought was that they were Psilocybe cyanescens, but that's pretty much completely been confirmed as incorrect [1][2][3][4][5]. The current running theory is that they are Hypholoma dispersum[2][3]. What do you think they are?
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Oh the photos just loaded.
Growing from hemlock with a darkish brown and fine spore I'd say
Hypholoma fasciculare
I agree with hypholoma but fasciculare doesn't have white fibrils on the stipe like some of those do. Dispersum is a better match IMO.
Not having the mushrooms directly at hand your estimation is as good as mine.
Hmm. I at least don't think that it's fasciculare. The stipe should have a collar [1.1] (though, I question this as none of the images I see seem to shop a collar), which this doesn't. The caps should be convex [1.1], which they aren't — the babies are somewhat, but the mature one's are wavy. From the picture's that I've seen, the color is also off — they're shown as more yellow [1.2][2], where this one is not yellow — the color of the specimens that I've observed is, in general, very different.
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I do not know enough to identify these, but I’m wondering if they bruise blue.
They do not — at least, not from what I can tell.