I listened to this audiobook several years ago when I was a lib; this book was written by an Israli Zionist scum. However, I was thinking about the notion of "leaving something behind" the other day
I was thinking about the notion of the meaning of life, and leaving something behind and all that jazz. I remembered this excerpt, and I was wondering if you think there is any merit on it.
People who doubt that some kind of soul or spirit really survives
their death therefore strive to leave behind something a bit more
tangible. That ‘something tangible’ could take one of two forms:
cultural or biological. I might leave behind a poem, say, or some of
my precious genes. My life has meaning because people will still
read my poem a hundred years from now, or because my kids and
grandchildren will still be around. And what is the meaning of their
lives? Well, that’s their problem, not mine. The meaning of life is thus
a bit like playing with a live hand grenade. Once you pass it on to
somebody else, you are safe.
Alas, this modest hope of just ‘leaving something behind’ is rarely
fulfilled. Most organisms that ever existed became extinct without
leaving any genetic inheritance. Almost all the dinosaurs, for
example. Or a Neanderthal family which became extinct as Sapiens
took over. Or my grandmother’s Polish clan. In 1934 my grandma
Fanny emigrated to Jerusalem with her parents and two sisters, but
most of their relatives stayed behind in the Polish towns of Chmielnik
and Częstochowa. A few years later the Nazis came along and
wiped them out to the very last child.
Attempts at leaving behind some cultural legacy are seldom more
successful. Nothing has remained of my grandmother’s Polish clan
except a few faded faces in the family album, and at the age of
ninety-six, even my grandmother cannot match names to the faces.
To the best of my knowledge, they haven’t left behind any cultural
creation – not a poem, nor a diary, nor even a grocery list.
If we cannot leave something tangible behind – such as a gene or
a poem – perhaps it is enough if we just make the world a little
better? You can help somebody, and that somebody will
subsequently help somebody else, and you thereby contribute to the
overall improvement of the world, and constitute a small link in the
great chain of kindness. Maybe you serve as a mentor for a difficult
but brilliant child, who goes on to be a doctor who saves the lives of
hundreds? Maybe you help an old lady cross the street, and brighten
up an hour of her life? Though it has its merits, the great chain of
kindness is a bit like the great chain of turtles – it is far from clear
where its meaning comes from. A wise old man was asked what he
learned about the meaning of life. ‘Well,’ he answered, ‘I have
learned that I am here on earth in order to help other people. What I
still haven’t figured out is why the other people are here.’
PeeOnYou [he/him] - 7day
i don't care about leaving anything whatsoever because i know it doesn't matter. no one will remember or even care even if i did at some point which is probably far sooner than one might think, and even if people remembered or cared 100 years from then, what does it matter?
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queermunist she/her - 7day
I think about this a lot. When we die, we don't die the way our ancestors did. We leave behind our information ghosts now, far more complex than even people who died in 1934, and these data imprints we're leaving of ourselves are only becoming more and more complex. Each of us will be forgotten by individual people in 94 years, but collectively none of us will really be forgotten by the world anymore. For better or worse, we now basically have immortal souls as long as this current iteration of civilization persists.
Who knows if it'll all be lost to war or climate change, though.
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Spectre - 6day
Well, the info ghost will only exist as long as the servers of the companies we use still exist.
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queermunist she/her - 6day
Information gets backed up and scraped into other server databases all the time, it can sometimes be lost but that's less and less of an issue. It's only going to get worse. At some point it's going to become impossible to meaningfully delete any information once it's put out there, and meanwhile the amount of information that is being gathered just increases. No one will be allowed to die.
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Maeve - 6day
I remember a conversation I had a long time ago with a sec (or antisec, can't recall now) specialist who said no data is ever truly lost. We may not always be able to locate it or reassemble it in the exact same way, but that it still exists "out there" somewhere. Then we got into a long, meandering philosophical discussion about how all information can be expressed in binary, and whether that is the language of the universe, how light we see today could be from heavenly entities that no longer exist in the form that originally emitted the light by the time we see it, matter can neither be created nor destroyed, etc.
Confidant6198 in comradeship
I listened to this audiobook several years ago when I was a lib; this book was written by an Israli Zionist scum. However, I was thinking about the notion of "leaving something behind" the other day
I was thinking about the notion of the meaning of life, and leaving something behind and all that jazz. I remembered this excerpt, and I was wondering if you think there is any merit on it.
i don't care about leaving anything whatsoever because i know it doesn't matter. no one will remember or even care even if i did at some point which is probably far sooner than one might think, and even if people remembered or cared 100 years from then, what does it matter?
I think about this a lot. When we die, we don't die the way our ancestors did. We leave behind our information ghosts now, far more complex than even people who died in 1934, and these data imprints we're leaving of ourselves are only becoming more and more complex. Each of us will be forgotten by individual people in 94 years, but collectively none of us will really be forgotten by the world anymore. For better or worse, we now basically have immortal souls as long as this current iteration of civilization persists.
Who knows if it'll all be lost to war or climate change, though.
Well, the info ghost will only exist as long as the servers of the companies we use still exist.
Information gets backed up and scraped into other server databases all the time, it can sometimes be lost but that's less and less of an issue. It's only going to get worse. At some point it's going to become impossible to meaningfully delete any information once it's put out there, and meanwhile the amount of information that is being gathered just increases. No one will be allowed to die.
I remember a conversation I had a long time ago with a sec (or antisec, can't recall now) specialist who said no data is ever truly lost. We may not always be able to locate it or reassemble it in the exact same way, but that it still exists "out there" somewhere. Then we got into a long, meandering philosophical discussion about how all information can be expressed in binary, and whether that is the language of the universe, how light we see today could be from heavenly entities that no longer exist in the form that originally emitted the light by the time we see it, matter can neither be created nor destroyed, etc.
The Neanderthal thing is false, btw. Homo-Sapiens interbred with Neanderthals quite a bit.