Tobacco being extremely unhealthy is a cosmic level joke
Edit: note, I haven't smoked myself, so this is second hand info
Like seriously
Short term it
calms you
let's you focus
feels good
can be used fairly consistently while leaving you capable to do work
is minimally intensive to use, just requiring cigarettes and a lighter/match/fire of some sort
Compare that to alcohol or drugs and such. The only thing comparable is tea/coffee.
Long term it
gets you seriously addicted
Gives you over a dozen different cancers and other diseases
massacres your lungs
And so on, not to mention what it does to underage smokers.
And I get why it happens medically, and I'm not denying it [obviously]. But it's almost on par with those random creeks filled with brain eating amoebas. Like, if there is a god, why did they decide to design earth like that?
ComradeSalad - 1mon
Counterpoint:
Even if tobacco was perfectly healthy, tobacco smoke smells utterly rancid, colours everything a sickly shade of yellow, ruins clothes, ruins cars and buses, and is by nature incredibly addictive.
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mistermodal @lemmy.ml - 1mon
Hmmm you're buying the hype which is percolating around due to the most straight edge/drug tested man alive cult of crypto guys who get high off the gas station substances. Nicotine makes you incredibly crabby and evil if you use it regularly, because you get cravings in your sleep which makes you fucking tired, and during the day you can basically time when the cigs guy around you will be in super evil mode if he hasn't had a break. It's a devil's contract for restaurant workers because people KNOW you need the breaks or ELSE lmao, but they can use it like a carrot too so it goes both ways. Plus coffee releases the same enzyme that burns thru it so together they're like crack. I like to get some good tobacco and go through all of it in a couple weeks and forget about it for a few years. But Mao is right smoking bad. "Mao smoking gif bad" - Mao
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Commiejones - 1mon
Smoking does not calm you or make you focused. Withdrawal causes distraction and anxiety. Relieving the craving returns you to baseline stress levels.
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ComradeSalad - 1mon
Nicotine is expressly a stimulant that increases focus and induces a calm state by flooding the brain with dopamine.
That’s what makes nicotine addicting, no one would want to smoke again after their first time if the sensation wasn’t pleasurable.
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Conselheiro - 1mon
Withdrawal is a factor for constant smokers, but the effect is real, though much lighter than something like weed. I sometimes chain smoke, and I even get some of the same side effects I get with some analgesics.
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Commiejones - 1mon
Its lighter than a good cup of coffee.
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Angelevo @feddit.nl - 1mon
We can probably do this exercise with most drugs/psychoactives. No matter what you use, our bodies are designed to find homeostasis, so we will always get used to whatever we use regularly. Although we can use almost all of these things for a little while without doing too much (permanent) damage, it is always better to try and find a way to live without them. Unless prescribed by a good doctor to treat a condition that is worse than the side effects, of course.
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ComradeSalad - 1mon
There is no amount of many drugs that is healthy, safe, or acceptable.
Cigarettes, meth, heroin, benzos, cocaine, and even heavy liqour among many other drugs, have immediate deleterious effects on the mind and body that can cause issues that persist for months if not permanently.
That’s also not taking into consideration that the body’s homeostasis is not static, which is the entire mechanism through which addiction functions.
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Angelevo @feddit.nl - 4w
I respect your personal experience.
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ComradeSalad - 4w
Uh huh, sure. Got anything other than patronizing quips?
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La Dame d'Azur - 1mon
I'm allergic to tobacco smoke so you can already guess what I think about smoking tobacco.
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Aqloy - 1mon
Same vibes here. I'm asthmatic so as far as I know, smoking sucks because it makes you go wheeze cough cough cough
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La Dame d'Azur - 1mon
Pretty much. I literally can't breath whenever I'm around smokers. Even the smell of it is enough to make me gag.
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Vika - 1mon
Tobacco IS shit for lungs. relative who smokes since he was 15 almost died of pulmonary disease, my dad is asmathic and it's terrible for him. Cigarettes and the tobacco industry are also shit for the environment. Let alone all the forest/house fires they initate. Even planes were throw down by smokers. And a lot of smokers are jerks, I hate the smell and sometimes I am walking and have to dodge the freaking smoke cloud (IT'S SO ANNOYING, IF YOU WANT TO F YOUR HEALTH DO NOT HARM EVERYONE ELSE'S), and it infuriates me when they throw the coils to the ground. Also, addiction sucks. A friend of my mom is broke af and can't stop buying them to save for food for her kid.
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Conselheiro - 1mon
For most it's a coping mechanism. The fact that it's much lighter than weed makes it so it won't completely stop your day for a couple hours, but it's also easier to access and use than anxiety medication.
Most people under capitalism already don't expect to live long fulfilling lives, so the health trade-offs seem "acceptable" in the moment. I would probably not smoke if I had a more relaxed life or had any hopes of retirement.
I'm definitely it's no longer viewed as a glamorous thing, though. We should treat it like it is, palliative for a dying society.
King_Simp in comradeship
Tobacco being extremely unhealthy is a cosmic level joke
Edit: note, I haven't smoked myself, so this is second hand info
Like seriously
Short term it
Compare that to alcohol or drugs and such. The only thing comparable is tea/coffee.
Long term it
And so on, not to mention what it does to underage smokers.
And I get why it happens medically, and I'm not denying it [obviously]. But it's almost on par with those random creeks filled with brain eating amoebas. Like, if there is a god, why did they decide to design earth like that?
Counterpoint:
Even if tobacco was perfectly healthy, tobacco smoke smells utterly rancid, colours everything a sickly shade of yellow, ruins clothes, ruins cars and buses, and is by nature incredibly addictive.
Hmmm you're buying the hype which is percolating around due to the most straight edge/drug tested man alive cult of crypto guys who get high off the gas station substances. Nicotine makes you incredibly crabby and evil if you use it regularly, because you get cravings in your sleep which makes you fucking tired, and during the day you can basically time when the cigs guy around you will be in super evil mode if he hasn't had a break. It's a devil's contract for restaurant workers because people KNOW you need the breaks or ELSE lmao, but they can use it like a carrot too so it goes both ways. Plus coffee releases the same enzyme that burns thru it so together they're like crack. I like to get some good tobacco and go through all of it in a couple weeks and forget about it for a few years. But Mao is right smoking bad. "Mao smoking gif bad" - Mao
Smoking does not calm you or make you focused. Withdrawal causes distraction and anxiety. Relieving the craving returns you to baseline stress levels.
Nicotine is expressly a stimulant that increases focus and induces a calm state by flooding the brain with dopamine.
That’s what makes nicotine addicting, no one would want to smoke again after their first time if the sensation wasn’t pleasurable.
Withdrawal is a factor for constant smokers, but the effect is real, though much lighter than something like weed. I sometimes chain smoke, and I even get some of the same side effects I get with some analgesics.
Its lighter than a good cup of coffee.
We can probably do this exercise with most drugs/psychoactives. No matter what you use, our bodies are designed to find homeostasis, so we will always get used to whatever we use regularly. Although we can use almost all of these things for a little while without doing too much (permanent) damage, it is always better to try and find a way to live without them. Unless prescribed by a good doctor to treat a condition that is worse than the side effects, of course.
There is no amount of many drugs that is healthy, safe, or acceptable.
Cigarettes, meth, heroin, benzos, cocaine, and even heavy liqour among many other drugs, have immediate deleterious effects on the mind and body that can cause issues that persist for months if not permanently.
That’s also not taking into consideration that the body’s homeostasis is not static, which is the entire mechanism through which addiction functions.
I respect your personal experience.
Uh huh, sure. Got anything other than patronizing quips?
I'm allergic to tobacco smoke so you can already guess what I think about smoking tobacco.
Same vibes here. I'm asthmatic so as far as I know, smoking sucks because it makes you go wheeze cough cough cough
Pretty much. I literally can't breath whenever I'm around smokers. Even the smell of it is enough to make me gag.
Tobacco IS shit for lungs. relative who smokes since he was 15 almost died of pulmonary disease, my dad is asmathic and it's terrible for him. Cigarettes and the tobacco industry are also shit for the environment. Let alone all the forest/house fires they initate. Even planes were throw down by smokers. And a lot of smokers are jerks, I hate the smell and sometimes I am walking and have to dodge the freaking smoke cloud (IT'S SO ANNOYING, IF YOU WANT TO F YOUR HEALTH DO NOT HARM EVERYONE ELSE'S), and it infuriates me when they throw the coils to the ground. Also, addiction sucks. A friend of my mom is broke af and can't stop buying them to save for food for her kid.
For most it's a coping mechanism. The fact that it's much lighter than weed makes it so it won't completely stop your day for a couple hours, but it's also easier to access and use than anxiety medication.
Most people under capitalism already don't expect to live long fulfilling lives, so the health trade-offs seem "acceptable" in the moment. I would probably not smoke if I had a more relaxed life or had any hopes of retirement.
I'm definitely it's no longer viewed as a glamorous thing, though. We should treat it like it is, palliative for a dying society.