In before the HaMmEr AnD sIcKlE iS tHe SaMe ThInG aS a SwAsTiKa fascists in disguise pop up.
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PolandIsAStateOfMind - 2.3yr
The really sus part of such "centrists" are the fact that they declare both to be the same, but somehow never had to say anything good about communism, but ask them about fascism and they instantly have a lot of "AKSHUALLY" moments.
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COMHASH - 2.3yr
These baltic states were just vassals of Germany and once were part of Russian empire till 1918 when Lenin signed the Brest treaty and gave up a chunk of lands to German protection. Western Ukraine was also taken away by Poland I guess. So in Molotov pact they just reversed it with some assurance that USSR will not attack if Nazi Germany attacks Poland . I remember I didn't know that baltic States were under Russian empire until I watched an old video of Putin angrily replying this to a Latvian journo in early 2000s. Why Baltics have strong Nazi memories is due to that only, they were nazified with German influence.
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Doubledee [comrade/them] - 2.3yr
Stalin also spent the time leading to the Molotov Ribbentrop pact desperately trying to get anyone else to sign a defensive agreement to resist Germany, he kept getting blown off by France and the UK. It was a decision made to delay German action to buy time for the Red Army to fight alone, since evidently nobody else was interested in dealing with Hitler.
I had always been taught that he was a scheming bastard who was betrayed, I was shocked to learn how much effort was put into attempting to preemptively check the Germans.
The west was hoping the nazis would take out the USSR, which is why they all signed non-aggression pacts first.
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Shrike502 - 2.3yr
Ouch, that is bound to ruffle some feathers
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ale @lemmy.world - 2.3yr
Lol ok when Finland or Estonia start invading other countries, then I'll stop bringing up Soviet fascism.
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cfgaussian - 2.3yr
They did. Finland joined the Nazis in invading the Soviet Union. They helped them murder a million people in the siege of Leningrad. So stfu Nazi apologist.
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Anatolianin - 2.3yr
Finnish concentration camps on soviet territory were a thing btw
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cfgaussian - 2.3yr
And they were doing Nazi shit already way before 1941. The right wing regime in Finland had been imprisoning and murdering socialists, trade unionists and communists since 1918. By the time the war started they were a straight up military dictatorship.
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Muad'Dibber - 2.3yr
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Shrike502 - 2.3yr
Some folks are actually trying to use this as a "gotcha". As in "le soviets were ackshually so bad, ze Nazis were seen as ze lesser evil!!!1". Not many. But some
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PolandIsAStateOfMind - 2.3yr
Estonia invaded RSFSR in 1919, less than 2 years after getting independence. Finland invaded USSR in 1941. Both invaded Afghanistan and Iraq alongside USA.
.world allergy to history would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tiring.
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☭CommieWolf☆ - 2.3yr
Look up the siege of Leningrad, idiot
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Shinhoshi - 2.3yr
Not to be confused with the ongoing siege of Lemmygrad which is right here and now
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REEEEvolution - 2.3yr
Please never stop bringing up "soviet fascism", makes it easy to ignore you, no matter the handle.
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EDIT : Ayy i finally got one Lib
In before the HaMmEr AnD sIcKlE iS tHe SaMe ThInG aS a SwAsTiKa fascists in disguise pop up.
The really sus part of such "centrists" are the fact that they declare both to be the same, but somehow never had to say anything good about communism, but ask them about fascism and they instantly have a lot of "AKSHUALLY" moments.
These baltic states were just vassals of Germany and once were part of Russian empire till 1918 when Lenin signed the Brest treaty and gave up a chunk of lands to German protection. Western Ukraine was also taken away by Poland I guess. So in Molotov pact they just reversed it with some assurance that USSR will not attack if Nazi Germany attacks Poland . I remember I didn't know that baltic States were under Russian empire until I watched an old video of Putin angrily replying this to a Latvian journo in early 2000s. Why Baltics have strong Nazi memories is due to that only, they were nazified with German influence.
Stalin also spent the time leading to the Molotov Ribbentrop pact desperately trying to get anyone else to sign a defensive agreement to resist Germany, he kept getting blown off by France and the UK. It was a decision made to delay German action to buy time for the Red Army to fight alone, since evidently nobody else was interested in dealing with Hitler.
I had always been taught that he was a scheming bastard who was betrayed, I was shocked to learn how much effort was put into attempting to preemptively check the Germans.
Even with respect to treaties with the nazis, the USSR only signed after the west refused to attack, refusing an offer by Stalin to field a million soldiers against nazi germany.
The west was hoping the nazis would take out the USSR, which is why they all signed non-aggression pacts first.
Ouch, that is bound to ruffle some feathers
Lol ok when Finland or Estonia start invading other countries, then I'll stop bringing up Soviet fascism.
They did. Finland joined the Nazis in invading the Soviet Union. They helped them murder a million people in the siege of Leningrad. So stfu Nazi apologist.
Finnish concentration camps on soviet territory were a thing btw
And they were doing Nazi shit already way before 1941. The right wing regime in Finland had been imprisoning and murdering socialists, trade unionists and communists since 1918. By the time the war started they were a straight up military dictatorship.
Some folks are actually trying to use this as a "gotcha". As in "le soviets were ackshually so bad, ze Nazis were seen as ze lesser evil!!!1". Not many. But some
Estonia invaded RSFSR in 1919, less than 2 years after getting independence. Finland invaded USSR in 1941. Both invaded Afghanistan and Iraq alongside USA.
.world allergy to history would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tiring.
Look up the siege of Leningrad, idiot
Not to be confused with the ongoing siege of Lemmygrad which is right here and now
Please never stop bringing up "soviet fascism", makes it easy to ignore you, no matter the handle.
Bro got dog-piled by the historically literate 😬