White to move and win (difficult) - Alexey Troitsky, 1897
rustyfish @lemmy.world - 2.1yr
Queen H1 to F1?
Edit: I’m still an idiot.
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
Pg2
Edit: Apparently I'm being downvoted by somebody who doesn't understand white starts on row 1
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dreadgoat - 2.1yr
Qd3 Pg3 Qf5
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
Qd3 Bg3 I think, followed by promotion
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dreadgoat - 2.1yr
I think the definitive solution was already found further down the thread, but I think this could still work
Qd3 Bg3 Nf4 Kh4 ... at that point it becomes a sloppy chase but White takes an indomitable lead, taking B and a pawn easily
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
Bg3 is a check, followed by black promoting their pawn to queen
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dreadgoat - 2.1yr
Oops, you're right. I went kingblind
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jafea7 @lemmy.world - 2.1yr
That's what I would have thought, leaves the King nowhere to go and there's nothing to block/capture the Queen.
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
Black is moving down, Pg2
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jafea7 @lemmy.world - 2.1yr
Doh! My bad, 40+ years since I played.
I'll shut up now 🤐
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Bytemeister @lemmy.world - 2.1yr
Pawn to G2?
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SnokenKeekaGuard @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 2.1yr
Bc6 Rb2 Trying to mate on g2 and defending.
I'm not sure where to go from there, either bg2+ or nf4+
Either case I can't find a forced mate in my head atleast
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Bonifratz - 2.1yr
Good start. You don't have to calculate all the way to mate in that line, White gets an overwhelming advantage.
But more interestingly: What do you do after Bc6 Rb1+?
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SnokenKeekaGuard @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 2.1yr
Bc6 Rb1+
Ke2 Rxh1
Bg2+ Kxg2
Nf4+ Kg1
Ke1 g2
Ne2
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Bonifratz - 2.1yr
Perfect, you found it!
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SnokenKeekaGuard @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 2.1yr
No way!
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
Does it work if black declines to take the queen?
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Aussiemandeus @aussie.zone - 2.1yr
Bc6 Rb1+
Ke2 Rxh1
3.Bg2+ Kxg2
4.Nf4+ Kg1
5.Ke1 G2
6.Ne2#
Edit K for knight to N
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Aussiemandeus @aussie.zone - 2.1yr
It appears I'm an idiot too
I'm very new to chess annotation and i keep using k for knight and king.
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apotheotic (she/her) - 2.1yr
I think it's meant to be Ke1 G2 as Ne1 is an illegal move but that's just a notation issue
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Aussiemandeus @aussie.zone - 2.1yr
Yeah it was very late i was meant to be asleep not playing chess puzzles knight starts with a k haha
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
It seems to be open ended if black doesn't take queen, though
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Aussiemandeus @aussie.zone - 2.1yr
Bishop moves to g2 checkmate of it doesn't check the king.
If it does then the king walks back towards the rook.
Until it takes it or the rook doesn't check the king ending the game
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
What about Rb2, Kd3, Pg2?
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Aussiemandeus @aussie.zone - 2.1yr
It gets all very messy if black doesn't take the bate it seems
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Bonifratz - 2.1yr
In what position? After 1. Bc6 Rb1+ 2. Ke2 Rb2+ 3. Kd3 Black doesn't have anything but spite checks. And if ...g2, White can now safely go Qc1 with quick checkmate to follow via Qh6+ (since g2 is covered by the bishop).
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Aussiemandeus @aussie.zone - 2.1yr
What's interesting is if black moves to Rf4 and ignores the queen i see how it gets very open ended
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Bonifratz - 2.1yr
Nicely done! You solved the main (study) line. There's other lines where Black actually holds out longer, but they're much simpler to calculate.
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
What happens if black declines the queen? Too lazy to calculate it out at this point
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Aussiemandeus @aussie.zone - 2.1yr
Anything it seems. But I'm probably missing a lot
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Taako_Tuesday @lemmy.ca - 2.1yr
After 4. Nf4+, wouldn't it be better for the king to go to f3? Or am I overlooking something obvious
Edit: answered my own question, white king covers f3 after moving to e2, forgot about that
? I dunno if my logic is right, but pretty sure that might be it, been fiddling moves for a while...
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Aussiemandeus @aussie.zone - 2.1yr
Nah thats not true
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Aussiemandeus @aussie.zone - 2.1yr
Bc6 Rb1+
Ke2 Rxh1
3.Bg2+ Kxg2
4.NF4+ Kg1
5.Ne1 G2
Hows that
6.Ne2#
Edit K for knight to N
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fosforus @sopuli.xyz - 2.1yr
After which horsie nom noms castle, checks king and black is generally speaking fucked. But that doesn't seem as neat as what they're looking for here.
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
How does horse take castle? Castle is on b1, free queen
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fosforus @sopuli.xyz - 2.1yr
Oh lol oops. I thought you meant rook to f4 :)
Yeah I'm not amazing at chess.
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
Nvm, turns out that free queen is actually the bait for a checkmate
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wahming @monyet.cc - 2.1yr
Does it involve Ke2, Pg2, Qe1? Ending with Qc1, Qh6
Edit nvm I'm dumb
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Bonifratz - 2.1yr
Unfortunately no. After 1. Ke2 g2 2. Qe1 Black has a simple way to win the queen, and after 2. Qc1 Black can at at the very least promote the pawn and there will never be a checkmate for White.
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White to move and win (difficult) - Alexey Troitsky, 1897
Queen H1 to F1?
Edit: I’m still an idiot.
Pg2
Edit: Apparently I'm being downvoted by somebody who doesn't understand white starts on row 1
Qd3 Pg3 Qf5
Qd3 Bg3 I think, followed by promotion
I think the definitive solution was already found further down the thread, but I think this could still work
Qd3 Bg3 Nf4 Kh4 ... at that point it becomes a sloppy chase but White takes an indomitable lead, taking B and a pawn easily
Bg3 is a check, followed by black promoting their pawn to queen
Oops, you're right. I went kingblind
That's what I would have thought, leaves the King nowhere to go and there's nothing to block/capture the Queen.
Black is moving down, Pg2
Doh! My bad, 40+ years since I played.
I'll shut up now 🤐
Pawn to G2?
Bc6 Rb2 Trying to mate on g2 and defending.
I'm not sure where to go from there, either bg2+ or nf4+
Either case I can't find a forced mate in my head atleast
Good start. You don't have to calculate all the way to mate in that line, White gets an overwhelming advantage.
But more interestingly: What do you do after Bc6 Rb1+?
Bc6 Rb1+
Ke2 Rxh1
Bg2+ Kxg2
Nf4+ Kg1
Ke1 g2
Ne2
Perfect, you found it!
No way!
Does it work if black declines to take the queen?
Bc6 Rb1+
Ke2 Rxh1
3.Bg2+ Kxg2
4.Nf4+ Kg1
5.Ke1 G2
6.Ne2#
Edit K for knight to N
It appears I'm an idiot too
I'm very new to chess annotation and i keep using k for knight and king.
I think it's meant to be
Ke1 G2as Ne1 is an illegal move but that's just a notation issueYeah it was very late i was meant to be asleep not playing chess puzzles knight starts with a k haha
It seems to be open ended if black doesn't take queen, though
Bishop moves to g2 checkmate of it doesn't check the king.
If it does then the king walks back towards the rook. Until it takes it or the rook doesn't check the king ending the game
What about Rb2, Kd3, Pg2?
It gets all very messy if black doesn't take the bate it seems
In what position? After 1. Bc6 Rb1+ 2. Ke2 Rb2+ 3. Kd3 Black doesn't have anything but spite checks. And if ...g2, White can now safely go Qc1 with quick checkmate to follow via Qh6+ (since g2 is covered by the bishop).
What's interesting is if black moves to Rf4 and ignores the queen i see how it gets very open ended
Nicely done! You solved the main (study) line. There's other lines where Black actually holds out longer, but they're much simpler to calculate.
What happens if black declines the queen? Too lazy to calculate it out at this point
Anything it seems. But I'm probably missing a lot
After 4. Nf4+, wouldn't it be better for the king to go to f3? Or am I overlooking something obvious
Edit: answered my own question, white king covers f3 after moving to e2, forgot about that
I need the reddit bot to try it online.
My bad, next time I'll provide a link right away. Here you go: https://lichess.org/analysis/4B3/8/6N1/5p2/1r4p1/6pk/7b/4K2Q_w_-_-_0_1?color=white
Thanks
King E1 to F1
No that's no good either, then castle comes to check
Hang on im still onto it.
New plan
Bc6
Rb1 checking king
Kd2
Rb2 checking King
Kc1
Rook must leave or be taken. Anywhere doesnt matter.
Qg2 checkmate
Right, but what about 1. Bc6 Rb1+ 2. Kd2 Rxh1?
Shit. Leave it with me
Bc6, Rb1, Ke2, RxH1, BxH1, Pg2, Nf4, Kg3/h4, Nxg2. That's as far as I've gotten
Once white loses their queen, a mate is impossible
Got a modification on it. I think it works...
Bc6, Rb1, Ke2, Rxh1, Bg2+,Kxg2,Nf4+,Kg1,Ke1,Pg2,Ke2#
? I dunno if my logic is right, but pretty sure that might be it, been fiddling moves for a while...
Nah thats not true
Bc6 Rb1+
Ke2 Rxh1
3.Bg2+ Kxg2
4.NF4+ Kg1
5.Ne1 G2
Hows that
6.Ne2#
Edit K for knight to N
After which horsie nom noms castle, checks king and black is generally speaking fucked. But that doesn't seem as neat as what they're looking for here.
How does horse take castle? Castle is on b1, free queen
Oh lol oops. I thought you meant rook to f4 :)
Yeah I'm not amazing at chess.
Nvm, turns out that free queen is actually the bait for a checkmate
Does it involve Ke2, Pg2, Qe1? Ending with Qc1, Qh6
Edit nvm I'm dumb
Unfortunately no. After 1. Ke2 g2 2. Qe1 Black has a simple way to win the queen, and after 2. Qc1 Black can at at the very least promote the pawn and there will never be a checkmate for White.
Chest
Qf1
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