I don't see how Russia would agree to US-EU forces on its border. Isn't this deal DOA?
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SpontaneousCombustion @lemmy.world - 11hr
IMO, it is. Trump wants a βwinβ that he can bullshit about. Ukraine wonβt give up territory (understandable) and Europe is backing Ukraine and freezing assets outside the reach of the US [1]
Trump is clueless. Not sure he can even point out Ukraine on a map. Not sure any of his removed can either.
Maybe itβs a good sign that Ukraine has made any concession at all.
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RiverRock - 11hr
Probably, but it's probably also a good sign of impending peace that the Ukranian government is signaling willingness to agree to anything at all.
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β YΟΙ ΖΤΟΚ β - 11hr
Somebody will have to explain to me why Russia would agree to that.
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djsoren19 - 11hr
p sure that's the gamble Ukraine is taking here. their assumption is that Russia won't, but they don't want to seem like they're the ones holding up an end to the war.
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β YΟΙ ΖΤΟΚ β - 10hr
I mean if that's the game plan then they're doing it backwards given that Ukraine and the Europeans already rejected the US 28 point plan, while Russia just slow walked it saying they'd consider it as a basis for negotiation. It's the Ukrainians who look intransigent here, not the Russians. Meanwhile, the conditions on the front continue to deteriorate and Russia's position in the negotiation continues to get stronger.
SpontaneousCombustion in worldnews
Ukraine ready to accept Donbas demilitarized zone in concession to end war
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/12/11/ukraine-ready-to-accept-donbas-demilitarized-zone-in-concession-to-end-war_6748397_4.htmlI don't see how Russia would agree to US-EU forces on its border. Isn't this deal DOA?
IMO, it is. Trump wants a βwinβ that he can bullshit about. Ukraine wonβt give up territory (understandable) and Europe is backing Ukraine and freezing assets outside the reach of the US [1]
Trump is clueless. Not sure he can even point out Ukraine on a map. Not sure any of his removed can either.
[1] https://www.firstpost.com/world/eu-activates-emergency-clause-to-immobilise-russian-assets-indefinitely-under-new-rule-13958960.html
Maybe itβs a good sign that Ukraine has made any concession at all.
Probably, but it's probably also a good sign of impending peace that the Ukranian government is signaling willingness to agree to anything at all.
Somebody will have to explain to me why Russia would agree to that.
p sure that's the gamble Ukraine is taking here. their assumption is that Russia won't, but they don't want to seem like they're the ones holding up an end to the war.
I mean if that's the game plan then they're doing it backwards given that Ukraine and the Europeans already rejected the US 28 point plan, while Russia just slow walked it saying they'd consider it as a basis for negotiation. It's the Ukrainians who look intransigent here, not the Russians. Meanwhile, the conditions on the front continue to deteriorate and Russia's position in the negotiation continues to get stronger.