For browser option, should I chose Kagi or Swisscows?
SearxNG instances are not working as well these days and I want something more reliable. I will just pay a subscription. Swiss cows is pushing subscriptions and I'm good with paying. Never tried Kagi.
Dr. Wesker - 3day
I personally love Kagi. Any time I have to use something else, it now feels painful.
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dragbone @discuss.tchncs.de - 3day
I agree but it is way too expensive for me. I use more than 10 searches per day and I'm not paying 10$ per month for search.
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Nate Cox - 3day
Same. Questionable leadership but a very solid platform.
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Deckname @discuss.tchncs.de - 3day
What's up with the leadership?
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Goodlucksil @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3day
They support Yandex from Russia
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Deckname @discuss.tchncs.de - 3day
Is it through direct financial transfers or do they use it as another search engine?
Do you happen to know in what way yandex is affiliated with the regime?
Users deserve access to the best possible information, not information filtered through our political lens.
Except "the best possible information" is filtered. That's the whole point of a search engine is to 1.Find and 2.Filter. If your search engine is turning up Russian propaganda, that is NOT "the best possible information".
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ganymede - 3day
any nation's major search engine is going to be turning up propaganda.
imo it's better to include it & state where it came from so people can discern.
personally i don't believe the entire population of any country are all bad people and increasingly siloing global citizens from eachother is only going to increase the kinds of toxic nationalism which dangerous regimes use as fuel
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Deckname @discuss.tchncs.de - 2day
Thank you. Vlads reply is a bit weird, especially since there is other topics that show yandex poisoning "good search".
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Nate Cox - 2day
Well, there was the inclusion of the Brave and Yandex indexes which ruffled some feathers for sure, but I personally lost faith in Vlad as decent human when they outright refused to add a widget linking to suicide prevention resources to searches regarding suicide because they would introduce “moral bias”.
Adding a widget for suicide prevention hotline on top of 'how to kill yourself' result would be manifestation of one such bias - in this case moral - meaning, human interference into search results for moral reasons.
Out of curiosity, what issues are you having with SearXNG? I’m self hosting and recently have noticed a lot of timeouts across many of the engines I have enabled. Just wondering if you’re having similar experience
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monovergent - 3day
OP probably isn't self-hosting it. I haven't got around to self-hosting it either and:
a majority of instances no longer include Google
many instances return absolutely bogus results
the ones that return reasonable results have a 50% chance of getting 'Suspended: timeout'
The rate-limiting has hit once-reliable instances really hard in the past few months.
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unfinished | 🇵🇸 - 2day
Past few months? I’ve tried several instances since over a year ago and absolutely never did I get decent results, unfortunately. They always get rate limited by Google and/or some other error occurs.
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ScoffingLizard @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 2day
It was decent until a few months ago. Now it's Chinese language, or just useless garbage that tangentially relates to a word in my search.
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PrivacyDingus - 3day
Swisscows is Bing, Kagi has multiple sources. If you've not enjoyed using Bing in the past then your decision is pretty much made for you there.
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QuizzaciousOtter - 3day
I have never tried Swisscows but I just want to say that Kagi is fantastic. Absolutely the best search experience I had in years.
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N.E.P.T.R - 3day
Kagi requires an account, therefore associating all your searches to your account. With DuckDuckGo HTML, you can restrict it so it can't access JavaScript (which it doesn't do anyways), therefore reducing the risk of fingerprinting or other tracking.
Sooo, the solution is install an extension by Kagi that can read all your traffic? Still doesn’t seem all that private to me
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birdwing @lemmy.blahaj.zone - 3day
Swisscows is conservative shit imo, go with Kagi instead. They even block normal porn.
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sic_semper_tyrannis @lemmy.today - 3day
I use Kagi and it works well. Seems to give results on what I'm looking for. It gives me the website I typed in rather than a billion other things with a different name first
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ominouslemon @sh.itjust.works - 3day
Swisscows blocks "violent and pornographic content". I don't know why you would use it, since it's a pretty broad spectrum of content and we don't know what the criteria are
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ScoffingLizard @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 2day
I have not thought about that. I don't really care about porn or violence, but you have a good point regarding unknown criteria. It's probably a ploy to "protect the children" while just so happening to also filter everything other than propaganda.
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sobchak @programming.dev - 2day
Kagi is great, probably the best I've tried, but expensive. I just use DDG for now, until my financial situation improves.
Just use searxng on your pc with podman and set a start up script podman start searxng now you can use it on localhost: 8080 and is better than public instances as is less blocked by ip
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ScoffingLizard @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 2day
Another reason I need to learn reverse proxies and start self hosting stuff. Architecture is my hold up and Tailscale has SSO, with entities I want nothing to do with.
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v3r4 @lemmy.org - 2day
No need for reverse proxy or complex stuff, just download podman desktop and download the searxng image and you can play it it will just work
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swelter_spark @reddthat.com - 2day
I used Swisscows for years, and they were my favorite in terms of quality of results.
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Shrouded0603 - 2day
You should rename thread from browser to search Engine options.
Aside from that can i ask why not something more „popular“ like startpage or DuckDuckGo?
And to answer your question: im an avid duckduckgo User and i used the kagi trial and it was actually a good experience. Still gonna Stick to ddg but it seems capbable
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JASx - 2day
When choosing a browser, both Kagi and Swisscows are good options if you are looking for privacy and reliability: • Kagi: Known for offering high-quality search results, without intrusive ads and with a total focus on privacy. It is ideal if you want to avoid tracking and try something different from traditional search engines.
• Swisscows: It also prioritizes privacy and security, with the advantage of being based in Switzerland, which has strict data protection laws. It is a reliable alternative, especially if you want to avoid sharing personal information.
Tip: If SearxNG is not meeting your expectations, it is worth trying Kagi to see if it better suits your needs. Swisscows is also a great option for those seeking privacy.
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For browser option, should I chose Kagi or Swisscows?
SearxNG instances are not working as well these days and I want something more reliable. I will just pay a subscription. Swiss cows is pushing subscriptions and I'm good with paying. Never tried Kagi.
I personally love Kagi. Any time I have to use something else, it now feels painful.
I agree but it is way too expensive for me. I use more than 10 searches per day and I'm not paying 10$ per month for search.
Same. Questionable leadership but a very solid platform.
What's up with the leadership?
They support Yandex from Russia
Is it through direct financial transfers or do they use it as another search engine?
Do you happen to know in what way yandex is affiliated with the regime?
Yandex affiliated with the regime
Kagi is impartial about using Yandex
Except "the best possible information" is filtered. That's the whole point of a search engine is to 1.Find and 2.Filter. If your search engine is turning up Russian propaganda, that is NOT "the best possible information".
any nation's major search engine is going to be turning up propaganda.
imo it's better to include it & state where it came from so people can discern.
personally i don't believe the entire population of any country are all bad people and increasingly siloing global citizens from eachother is only going to increase the kinds of toxic nationalism which dangerous regimes use as fuel
Thank you. Vlads reply is a bit weird, especially since there is other topics that show yandex poisoning "good search".
Well, there was the inclusion of the Brave and Yandex indexes which ruffled some feathers for sure, but I personally lost faith in Vlad as decent human when they outright refused to add a widget linking to suicide prevention resources to searches regarding suicide because they would introduce “moral bias”.
https://kagifeedback.org/d/865-suicide-results-should-probably-have-a-dont-do-that-widget-like-google
Out of curiosity, what issues are you having with SearXNG? I’m self hosting and recently have noticed a lot of timeouts across many of the engines I have enabled. Just wondering if you’re having similar experience
OP probably isn't self-hosting it. I haven't got around to self-hosting it either and:
The rate-limiting has hit once-reliable instances really hard in the past few months.
Past few months? I’ve tried several instances since over a year ago and absolutely never did I get decent results, unfortunately. They always get rate limited by Google and/or some other error occurs.
It was decent until a few months ago. Now it's Chinese language, or just useless garbage that tangentially relates to a word in my search.
Swisscows is Bing, Kagi has multiple sources. If you've not enjoyed using Bing in the past then your decision is pretty much made for you there.
I have never tried Swisscows but I just want to say that Kagi is fantastic. Absolutely the best search experience I had in years.
Kagi requires an account, therefore associating all your searches to your account. With DuckDuckGo HTML, you can restrict it so it can't access JavaScript (which it doesn't do anyways), therefore reducing the risk of fingerprinting or other tracking.
They came out with Privacy Pass a while ago for this reason: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html
Sooo, the solution is install an extension by Kagi that can read all your traffic? Still doesn’t seem all that private to me
Swisscows is conservative shit imo, go with Kagi instead. They even block normal porn.
I use Kagi and it works well. Seems to give results on what I'm looking for. It gives me the website I typed in rather than a billion other things with a different name first
Swisscows blocks "violent and pornographic content". I don't know why you would use it, since it's a pretty broad spectrum of content and we don't know what the criteria are
I have not thought about that. I don't really care about porn or violence, but you have a good point regarding unknown criteria. It's probably a ploy to "protect the children" while just so happening to also filter everything other than propaganda.
Kagi is great, probably the best I've tried, but expensive. I just use DDG for now, until my financial situation improves.
If you don’t mind paying, give metager.org a try
Just use searxng on your pc with podman and set a start up script podman start searxng now you can use it on localhost: 8080 and is better than public instances as is less blocked by ip
Another reason I need to learn reverse proxies and start self hosting stuff. Architecture is my hold up and Tailscale has SSO, with entities I want nothing to do with.
No need for reverse proxy or complex stuff, just download podman desktop and download the searxng image and you can play it it will just work
I used Swisscows for years, and they were my favorite in terms of quality of results.
You should rename thread from browser to search Engine options.
Aside from that can i ask why not something more „popular“ like startpage or DuckDuckGo?
And to answer your question: im an avid duckduckgo User and i used the kagi trial and it was actually a good experience. Still gonna Stick to ddg but it seems capbable
When choosing a browser, both Kagi and Swisscows are good options if you are looking for privacy and reliability: • Kagi: Known for offering high-quality search results, without intrusive ads and with a total focus on privacy. It is ideal if you want to avoid tracking and try something different from traditional search engines. • Swisscows: It also prioritizes privacy and security, with the advantage of being based in Switzerland, which has strict data protection laws. It is a reliable alternative, especially if you want to avoid sharing personal information. Tip: If SearxNG is not meeting your expectations, it is worth trying Kagi to see if it better suits your needs. Swisscows is also a great option for those seeking privacy.