Something like mIRC? If I was to describe it would basically be Discord or [matrix], but I want it more casual - no need for acc, just click a link you are in a chat room
This weekend, meeting a lot of people, I noticed how hard it is for us to communicate and organize stuff. Some have Instagram, some have X, both are shitty places not designed for group conversation. Some have Discord, some have WhatsApp, some don't use the phone, some have no social media, and everything requires you to either provide an email or phone number, create an account, etc, so I thought maybe it would be easier to have something like an IRC room, but it's been more than 20 years since I last touched IRC and I'm sure there must be newer alternatives around.
Main functionality I'm looking for is casualness (no acc needed) and stored live chat. The ability to pin stuff would be great, maybe create sub rooms and have private chat as well. Do you guys know anything like that?
lowspeedchase @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4day
IRC is still around and nothing has really surpassed it yet imho. We keep re-inventing the wheel.
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kyonshi - 4day
Eh, everything that tries to "improve" on IRC makes everything more complicated. I have a thelounge installation running that's connected to our small IRC network. When I want people to chat I drop them a link to it (maybe with a room name) and it drops them right in. thelounge has some improvements to stock IRC (pictures, videos, and links visible in chat), but some of the more advanced functions still demand an account (e.g. there is an inbuilt persistent buffer, but that one is only visible to accounts). I have it running under thelounge.wilderland.ovh and it will drop by default into the #welcome channel.
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PiraHxCx - 4day
That sounds amazing, but if I were to self-host it, I'm kinda worried about how it deals with private messages (I didn't find it mentioned in the docs) - I would like to not have access to private messages.
I have no idea how IRC deals with that stuff. Soulseek has an IRC-like chat (I'm not sure if it's IRC or something else they created) and private messages are stored locally instead of on the server, which seems ideal.
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kyonshi - 4day
We also are running our own videochat servers with galène (for ttrpgs), but those don't have a persistent text chat
Dear lord, it even alters the URL. That is so wildly unnecessary.
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AlligatorBlizzard @sh.itjust.works - 3day
Please tell me ML has a whitelist for the obvious ones.
Scunthorpe?
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PiraHxCx - 3day
Of course not xD
The devs:
Is this not clear enough? Slurs are against our code of conduct and the goals of this project. Go to voat or gab if you want to use racist or sexist slurs; we don’t allow them here.
If you dont like it, fork it. Stop bothering us about it, we will never fully remove the slur filter.
discord can be used without an account - until they kick you out demanding your phone number.
on matrix too you can have a guest user that works somewhat similarly, but most rooms don't have that enabled I think. I am not too surprised about that, no idea how could that be effectively moderated. it also needs client support but element web supports it
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Ulrich - 3day
Define "account"? You'll need some sort of identifier. How many people are in this chat?
SimpleX
Briar
Signal
Session
Mattermost
Quiet
Etc. etc.
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stray @pawb.social - 3day
Back in the day your identifier was whatever name you typed in. On IRC you could put a password on a name to claim it so long as you didn't go inactive for too long (and then it would be free for anyone to take), but you didn't have to, and on many web chats you didn't even have the option. It was very common for people to change names frequently for jokes, RP, or setting a status. You didn't have a profile picture or friends list or any of that.
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PiraHxCx - 3day
Define “account”?
Anything that requires being verified. I guess I'm setting an IRC room for now to see how it's goes
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Ulrich - 3day
Ah, Signal is the only one above that requires phone # verification.
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DFX4509B - 8hr
PeerSuite doesn't require an account and optionally lets you save chat logs in an encrypted file.
PiraHxCx in opensource
Something like mIRC? If I was to describe it would basically be Discord or [matrix], but I want it more casual - no need for acc, just click a link you are in a chat room
This weekend, meeting a lot of people, I noticed how hard it is for us to communicate and organize stuff. Some have Instagram, some have X, both are shitty places not designed for group conversation. Some have Discord, some have WhatsApp, some don't use the phone, some have no social media, and everything requires you to either provide an email or phone number, create an account, etc, so I thought maybe it would be easier to have something like an IRC room, but it's been more than 20 years since I last touched IRC and I'm sure there must be newer alternatives around.
Main functionality I'm looking for is casualness (no acc needed) and stored live chat. The ability to pin stuff would be great, maybe create sub rooms and have private chat as well. Do you guys know anything like that?
IRC is still around and nothing has really surpassed it yet imho. We keep re-inventing the wheel.
Eh, everything that tries to "improve" on IRC makes everything more complicated. I have a thelounge installation running that's connected to our small IRC network. When I want people to chat I drop them a link to it (maybe with a room name) and it drops them right in. thelounge has some improvements to stock IRC (pictures, videos, and links visible in chat), but some of the more advanced functions still demand an account (e.g. there is an inbuilt persistent buffer, but that one is only visible to accounts). I have it running under thelounge.wilderland.ovh and it will drop by default into the #welcome channel.
That sounds amazing, but if I were to self-host it, I'm kinda worried about how it deals with private messages (I didn't find it mentioned in the docs) - I would like to not have access to private messages.
I have no idea how IRC deals with that stuff. Soulseek has an IRC-like chat (I'm not sure if it's IRC or something else they created) and private messages are stored locally instead of on the server, which seems ideal.
We also are running our own videochat servers with galène (for ttrpgs), but those don't have a persistent text chat
https://thelounge.chat/
There's no way a single one of my friends would try irc. They call me a crazy grandpa for using Firefox.
IRC still exists, the closest FOSS IRC client to mIRC is KVIrc.
The closest thing to a modernized IRC is Matrix.
removedat maybe? Or that one in js, I think meteorchat?
I gotta move out of lemmy.ml. It took me a while to understand it wasn't "removedat" but "bit chat" :P
Well thats a pretty unhelpful automatic replacement lol
https://github.com/permissionlesstech/*removed*at
Dear lord, it even alters the URL. That is so wildly unnecessary.
Please tell me ML has a whitelist for the obvious ones.
Scunthorpe?
Of course not xD
The devs:
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622
Gladly they eventually allowed instances to choose if they want this beyond useless filter or not
Interesting detail - the word filter is a per-instance side thing. On a foreign instance I can see the original word.
(I don't have a problem with the intent of the filter but I kind of expected that the s-thorpe problem had been fixed by now)
removedat is BT only?
Yes, its a ble mesh. No network connection, user account, or central servers, just proximity required.
Pretty popular as a protest helper app as well.
Ironically something like zoom might be right.
I can't say for sure they have persistent chat, but maybe something like bigbluebutton could work?
https://xkcd.com/927/
I'd all but forgotten my old stomping grounds.
discord can be used without an account - until they kick you out demanding your phone number.
on matrix too you can have a guest user that works somewhat similarly, but most rooms don't have that enabled I think. I am not too surprised about that, no idea how could that be effectively moderated. it also needs client support but element web supports it
Define "account"? You'll need some sort of identifier. How many people are in this chat?
SimpleX
Briar
Signal
Session
Mattermost
Quiet
Etc. etc.
Back in the day your identifier was whatever name you typed in. On IRC you could put a password on a name to claim it so long as you didn't go inactive for too long (and then it would be free for anyone to take), but you didn't have to, and on many web chats you didn't even have the option. It was very common for people to change names frequently for jokes, RP, or setting a status. You didn't have a profile picture or friends list or any of that.
Anything that requires being verified. I guess I'm setting an IRC room for now to see how it's goes
Ah, Signal is the only one above that requires phone # verification.
PeerSuite doesn't require an account and optionally lets you save chat logs in an encrypted file.