Things get dire when US carmakers enter the fray. All but one of the bottom ten brands in the list are American. The best of the worst was Chevrolet at a score of 40. But Tesla makes that failing grade seem respectable with its absolute rock bottom rating of 31, trailing Jeep by just one point.
That is because everything American has been shit since forever with all the lack rules and regulations, but in the last decade, things really have gone off a cliff
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SaveTheTuaHawk @lemmy.ca - 4day
It's incredible to me that people buy Jeeps or Land Rovers. Neither are inexpensive, both are shit.
Ford is doing similar things with fake parts cobbled quickly on their trucks.
This all works because people spend >$60,000 on vehicles with no research. No one wants these vehicles used.
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cassandrafatigue @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4day
Not just lack of regulation.
Product quality is sacrificed to sabotage labor power and didcarded for the sake of disposability.
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Phoenixz - 2day
Aren't both of those just the eventual outcomes for lack of regulation?
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cassandrafatigue @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 2day
Of capitalism. The concept that ownership creates value rather than labor and entitles one to decision making power/virtue reward inevitably leads to dismantling regulations.
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Bluegrass_Addict @lemmy.ca - 4day
lol, so are brand new ones
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anachronist @midwest.social - 4day
Came here to make the same comment.
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causepix - 4day
but they jumped from dead last to top 10 in Consumer Reports' reliability rankings practically overnight! Surely that means something and surely no greater context could have influenced this???
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unmagical - 4day
Haven't they been doing that pretty much the entire time?
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SaveTheTuaHawk @lemmy.ca - 4day
only if you drive them wrong, like in the rain.
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☂️- - 4day
or down the road.
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SebaDC - 4day
Or outside of a vacuum...
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BakerBagel @midwest.social - 4day
But Elon said that if i buy a Tesla its value would increase because it will be able to earn you money as an autonomous taxi cab by 2020!
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cassandrafatigue @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4day
2020 is gonna be so cool.
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HiddenLayer555 - 4day
All Teslas are falling apart, the older ones are just accelerating like their pedals got wedged.
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Matt - 4day
This is why I won't buy a Tesla.
Fortunately for me, used cars with manual transmission are dead cheap here in Slovakia. I think I saw one for 3-4K€ on used car reseller website.
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yeehaw - 3day
I miss stick shift :(
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Truscape - 4day
I wonder how economical it would be to do a homemade EV conversion once my car's engine is no longer feasible to maintain.
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causepix - 4day
Not at all, and I would posit that you would really want to have at the very least some kind of high voltage training.
It might make sense for a niche project vehicle (obviously if you have that kind of money it's yours to do whatever the hell you want with it) but economically you're better off just getting a used EV. They're pretty cheap at the moment.
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FoundFootFootage78 - 4day
I've been hoping to get a PHEV because I don't want some 300km-range battery (nor the resulting fire risk, tyre wear, or brake wear), but there aren't any really cheap plug in hybrids. I'm probably gonna be stuck getting a used EV with an oversized battery when my sister's old car dies.
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brianary @lemmy.zip - 4day
A tank of gasoline isn't safer if you're worried about fires, there's just less sensationalist media coverage. The tires are expensive, but that's because they are inherently more durable: we drove over a tack last week and our tire was fine. Brake wear is about 80% less, because EVs favor regen instead.
We have a 2023 Nissan Leaf with a 215 mi range and the least popular CHAdeMO connector, and we've driven it all over Washington state. We drove from Spokane to Lake Quinault for Thanksgiving.
Don't believe all the petroleum-invested hyperbole.
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FoundFootFootage78 - 4day
Battery fires get more news coverage not because their more common, but because they are so catastrophic when they do happen. As for comparisons to gasoline, I'd be leaving the tank empty so that's not a concern for me.
I would prefer not to use waste rubber and money thicker tyres carrying around a huge battery I don't need. Worst case I can use those same tires on a car with a lighter battery.
Good point about regenerative braking, I forgot about that.
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ClassifiedPancake @discuss.tchncs.de - 4day
As for comparisons to gasoline, I'd be leaving the tank empty so that's not a concern for me.
You would carry around a whole combustion engine just to leave it empty?? Wtf that’s even more waistful and inefficient. Get an older EV with a small battery if you’re so allergic to it.
Battery fires are not catastrophic, it just takes a different approach to deal with it and we already know how.
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FoundFootFootage78 - 4day
Oh, looking it up they do come to about the same weight in the end (information that was very difficult to source BTW). Guess that eliminates much of the entire point of this. All I would need is 80km of range at most so I'm put off by all these cars offering 500km that I don't want or need.
I guess an old EV is probably the better option. With the added advantage that I'll probably get physical controls instead of a damn touch-screen.
yogthos in technology
Old Teslas Are Falling Apart
https://futurism.com/advanced-transport/old-teslas-falling-apartThe other interesting tidbit from this:
That is because everything American has been shit since forever with all the lack rules and regulations, but in the last decade, things really have gone off a cliff
It's incredible to me that people buy Jeeps or Land Rovers. Neither are inexpensive, both are shit.
Back when Musk was trying to hit production milestones, cars were being assembled in tents with parts made of home depot wood.
Ford is doing similar things with fake parts cobbled quickly on their trucks.
This all works because people spend >$60,000 on vehicles with no research. No one wants these vehicles used.
Not just lack of regulation.
Product quality is sacrificed to sabotage labor power and didcarded for the sake of disposability.
Aren't both of those just the eventual outcomes for lack of regulation?
Of capitalism. The concept that ownership creates value rather than labor and entitles one to decision making power/virtue reward inevitably leads to dismantling regulations.
lol, so are brand new ones
Came here to make the same comment.
but they jumped from dead last to top 10 in Consumer Reports' reliability rankings practically overnight! Surely that means something and surely no greater context could have influenced this???
Haven't they been doing that pretty much the entire time?
only if you drive them wrong, like in the rain.
or down the road.
Or outside of a vacuum...
But Elon said that if i buy a Tesla its value would increase because it will be able to earn you money as an autonomous taxi cab by 2020!
2020 is gonna be so cool.
All Teslas are falling apart, the older ones are just accelerating like their pedals got wedged.
This is why I won't buy a Tesla.
Fortunately for me, used cars with manual transmission are dead cheap here in Slovakia. I think I saw one for 3-4K€ on used car reseller website.
I miss stick shift :(
I wonder how economical it would be to do a homemade EV conversion once my car's engine is no longer feasible to maintain.
Not at all, and I would posit that you would really want to have at the very least some kind of high voltage training.
It might make sense for a niche project vehicle (obviously if you have that kind of money it's yours to do whatever the hell you want with it) but economically you're better off just getting a used EV. They're pretty cheap at the moment.
I've been hoping to get a PHEV because I don't want some 300km-range battery (nor the resulting fire risk, tyre wear, or brake wear), but there aren't any really cheap plug in hybrids. I'm probably gonna be stuck getting a used EV with an oversized battery when my sister's old car dies.
A tank of gasoline isn't safer if you're worried about fires, there's just less sensationalist media coverage. The tires are expensive, but that's because they are inherently more durable: we drove over a tack last week and our tire was fine. Brake wear is about 80% less, because EVs favor regen instead.
We have a 2023 Nissan Leaf with a 215 mi range and the least popular CHAdeMO connector, and we've driven it all over Washington state. We drove from Spokane to Lake Quinault for Thanksgiving.
Don't believe all the petroleum-invested hyperbole.
Battery fires get more news coverage not because their more common, but because they are so catastrophic when they do happen. As for comparisons to gasoline, I'd be leaving the tank empty so that's not a concern for me.
I would prefer not to use waste rubber and money thicker tyres carrying around a huge battery I don't need. Worst case I can use those same tires on a car with a lighter battery.
Good point about regenerative braking, I forgot about that.
You would carry around a whole combustion engine just to leave it empty?? Wtf that’s even more waistful and inefficient. Get an older EV with a small battery if you’re so allergic to it.
Battery fires are not catastrophic, it just takes a different approach to deal with it and we already know how.
Oh, looking it up they do come to about the same weight in the end (information that was very difficult to source BTW). Guess that eliminates much of the entire point of this. All I would need is 80km of range at most so I'm put off by all these cars offering 500km that I don't want or need.
I guess an old EV is probably the better option. With the added advantage that I'll probably get physical controls instead of a damn touch-screen.