You can observe the discarding of a US proxy progress like an infection by watching stories about Ukranian government corruption slowly make their way up the bloodstream of public "opinion", from small papers up to the new york crimes.
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
The funniest part is how this was widely reported in mainstream western media before the war started. Now that the US wants to wind the war down, all of a sudden omertà on reporting these things is lifted.
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Maeve - 1w
I just figured out I have web access to our emojis. Idk about everyone else, but this is new for me!
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davel - 1w
Okay, that was always allowed.
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Maeve - 1w
I know because I asked about it some time back in hex, but they just never showed up for me. I was actually looking for something appropriate to post and was surprised and delighted!
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phed - 6day
how do you all have big cool ones, all i can find is bitsy ones 🫥 👨🏫 🕷️
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Maeve - 5day
I don't know, they just went from not showing up to showing up in the web interface emojis. I suspect my latest browser update earlier this week.
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Maeve - 1w
No! 😮
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
I am as shocked at this revelation as you are.
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Maeve - 1w
🤭
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RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them] - 1w
What!?!?!?
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sbbq @lemmy.zip - 1w
Another report from the Russian troll farm!
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ghost_laptop - 1w
ahh, yes, the new york times, the good old, well famous and regarded russian troll farm
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davel - 1w
why would you clown yourself like this
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RiverRock - 1w
Perfect shibboleth, I have no idea if this is or isn't a joke
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Conselheiro @lemmygrad.ml - 1w
Had to look into their history, and sadly it's not! Though I suppose at this point it'd be easy to hack up a bot that always comments the same things on Yog's posts on here and pass as an actual liberal user.
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
It's pretty hilarious how libs basically memorized a handful of retorts and they just parrot them completely unthinkingly whenever faced with any information they don't like.
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BrainInABox - 1w
Noted Russian troll farm: The New York Times. Could you shitlibs at least pretend that "Russian trolls" doesn't just mean "anyone who disagrees with you"?.
And the absolute smooth brained "leftists" on the fediverse are up voting this incoherent nonsense
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MyMindIsLikeAnOcean - 1w
I don’t know man. This crap gives such ammunition to the “both sides are corrupt” argument.
Do we really believe things in Ukraine would be better or even the same under Putin? What are we even talking about here?
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
I mean we can obviously see that things are far better in Crimea than anywhere in Ukraine right now. This isn't even debatable. Comparing Russia to the absurd levels of corruption in Ukraine is not a serious argument to make.
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phar - 1w
Russia has been extremely corrupt for decades. Whatever weird made up world you are living in, come on back to reality. Even if Ukraine was the most corrupt country ever, bombing the shit out of the citizens is not the way you help. That's just murder. Even if things are somehow better in Crimea, you're comparing to a country being bombed by a larger country with more weapons and fighters. Crimea should not have been stolen in the first place. Help your neighbors, don't hypocritically murder their people.
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RiverRock - 1w
Even if Ukraine was the most corrupt country ever, bombing the shit out of the citizens is not the way you help
I don't know, they sure tried it in the eastern part of the country for 10 years
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
Russia is clearly nowhere near as corrupt as Ukraine given that Russia is actually able to run a functioning economy and a military. In fact, there's strong evidence to suggest that NATO is far more corrupt than Russia is given that Russia is single handedly outproducing all of the west militarily right now. Meanwhile, before yapping about Crimea, you might want to go read a history book for once in your life.
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phar - 1w
I know the history, that doesnt excuse invading them at this point. Neither is what one.corrupt country sees as corrupt in another. Your arguments hold no weight. Nothing you said justifies murdering people in a neighboring country.
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davel - 1w
Nothing justifies Ukraine murdering its own people in its own country for the eight years before this war started.
Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland MadeAssistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in UkraineFormer Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
I'd like to add on that there is literal footage of Ukrainian troops firing into crowds of civilians in Mariupol and Krasnoarmeysk back in 2014, both after Maidan Coup.
There is also footage of Ukrainian Nazis carrying out a pogrom against the Romani in 2018.
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phar - 1w
Sorry can you point out the exact points in those that justify the murdering a bombing of people in a foreign nation? 2014 especially was a pretty messed up time, by I'm not sure I follow you as to what justification for murdering and bombing them is. Especially with new leadership. Please explain the murdering a bombing.
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davel - 1w
NATO expansion:
George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev HeardDeclassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
Zelensky was a comedian groomed by oligarchs. He played a president on TV and then ran for president on TV. This was planned out in advance. Zelensky has never been in control because he was an actor in way over his head, beholden to US comprador oligarchs, and his life is openly threatened by high-level Banderite fascists should he get out of line. And he’s quite wealthy now, an oligarch in his own right. He’s in no way a “servant of the people;” that’s an act played by an actor.
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
Evidently, you're fine with a western backed regime murdering its own people though.
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MyMindIsLikeAnOcean - 1w
Can we tho?
You’re so far off reality I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.
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BrainInABox - 1w
I am shocked at how many liberals genuinely cannot seem to tell the difference between wanting something to be true and it actually being true.
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
The reality is that people in Crimea aren't being grabbed off the streets and gang pressed into fighting.
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phar - 1w
Ukraine has had corruption issues for a long time. NATO countries should stop pussy footing around and go in and help them. Route the corruption and fight Russia. I can't imagine trying to fix the corruption that's been embedded in your country for decades and then suddenly Russia is invading you. Now you need to try to route out corruption and fight a larger enemy? I really feel for the Ukrainian people, it's been rough for a long time and just gets worse. Time to just wipe Russia off the map already, split the country up and give the land to the other surrounding nations.
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
Oh, is that all? Just 'route the corruption' and then casually 'split up' world's biggest nuclear power? Totally won’t end in global glassing. It’s amazing how you solved a complex geopolitical crisis with the logic of a toddler smashing LEGOs.
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phar - 1w
No not "just" at all. It would take decades on both fronts. Your argument might make sense if you didn't pervert mine by putting words in my mouth.
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
It's clearly taken far lass than a decade for NATO to start coming apart, and it didn't even fight Russia directly yet. So maybe come down there baby Hitler.
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phar - 1w
Yes NATO started coming apart because a corrupt leader came into power in the US. However that still doesn't mean that Russia should be invading and killing people in a foreign nation. Stop supporting murder.
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
NATO started coming apart because NATO lost its proxy war against Russia, and the US is now throwing Europe under the bus while retrenching. It's an incredibly infantile world view to think that all this is a result of a single individual making decision unilaterally. Weird how fash like you didn't say a peep when the western installed regime in Ukraine has been killing people in Donbas for the past eight years. Stop pretending like you have some moral high ground.
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phar - 1w
You are supporting the death of innocent people instead of alterior methods. You can call people that prefer peace fascist all you want, but you are the bad guy here.
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ - 1w
No, I don't support fascists murdering people in Donbas. That's what you support, that's what makes you a fascist.
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BrainInABox - 1w
Yeah, the peace-prefer calling to "wipe Russia off the map". Fuck off you Nazi freak.
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RiverRock - 1w
Time to just wipe Russia off the map already
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freagle @lemmygrad.ml - 1w
Man, you are just itching for nuclear war aren't you? You really want a nuclear-armed transnational force with zero democratic accountability to go and fight another nuclear armed power that is currently fighting explicitly to prevent that nuclear-armed transnational force from expanding its control of the region? That is literally nuclear escalation. You gotta get out of the death cult you're in.
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phar - 1w
Actually no, that is not the way I would recommend they fight them at all. It's hilarious how you tie BS about democracy in there, though. And the prevention by invading another country part is particularly hilarious as well.
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freagle @lemmygrad.ml - 1w
Geopolitics understander, right here
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NimaMag - 1w
Time to just wipe Russia off the map already, split the country up and give the land to the other surrounding nations.
Calm down, Mr Hitler.
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phar - 1w
Pretty sure Hitler's plan was not split Russia up and give it to neighboring countries. But whatever you need to tell yourself to make you feel better about supporting a country that is murdering its neighbors. Putin would be the Hitler in this scenario. Taking over other countries and killing their people.
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BrainInABox - 1w
Fuck off, fascist
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phar - 1w
You are the fascist and you are supporting the fascists.
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RiverRock - 1w
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leafperson [any, any] - 1w
"I wanna fight corruption so bad I just gotta get a bit more corrupt to do so" - the good guys apparently
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MyMindIsLikeAnOcean - 1w
Right? Never mind half of the corruption in Ukraine is likely perpetrated by people who would flourish in Putin’s Russia.
yogthos in worldnews
Zelensky’s Government Sabotaged Oversight, Allowing Corruption to Fester
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/05/world/europe/ukraine-corruption-zelensky.htmlhttps://archive.ph/YrQai
You can observe the discarding of a US proxy progress like an infection by watching stories about Ukranian government corruption slowly make their way up the bloodstream of public "opinion", from small papers up to the new york crimes.
The funniest part is how this was widely reported in mainstream western media before the war started. Now that the US wants to wind the war down, all of a sudden omertà on reporting these things is lifted.
I just figured out I have web access to our emojis. Idk about everyone else, but this is new for me!
Okay, that was always allowed.
I know because I asked about it some time back in hex, but they just never showed up for me. I was actually looking for something appropriate to post and was surprised and delighted!
how do you all have big cool ones, all i can find is bitsy ones 🫥 👨🏫 🕷️
I don't know, they just went from not showing up to showing up in the web interface emojis. I suspect my latest browser update earlier this week.
No! 😮
I am as shocked at this revelation as you are.
🤭
What!?!?!?
Another report from the Russian troll farm!
ahh, yes, the new york times, the good old, well famous and regarded russian troll farm
why would you clown yourself like this
Perfect shibboleth, I have no idea if this is or isn't a joke
Had to look into their history, and sadly it's not! Though I suppose at this point it'd be easy to hack up a bot that always comments the same things on Yog's posts on here and pass as an actual liberal user.
It's pretty hilarious how libs basically memorized a handful of retorts and they just parrot them completely unthinkingly whenever faced with any information they don't like.
Noted Russian troll farm: The New York Times. Could you shitlibs at least pretend that "Russian trolls" doesn't just mean "anyone who disagrees with you"?.
And the absolute smooth brained "leftists" on the fediverse are up voting this incoherent nonsense
I don’t know man. This crap gives such ammunition to the “both sides are corrupt” argument.
Do we really believe things in Ukraine would be better or even the same under Putin? What are we even talking about here?
I mean we can obviously see that things are far better in Crimea than anywhere in Ukraine right now. This isn't even debatable. Comparing Russia to the absurd levels of corruption in Ukraine is not a serious argument to make.
Russia has been extremely corrupt for decades. Whatever weird made up world you are living in, come on back to reality. Even if Ukraine was the most corrupt country ever, bombing the shit out of the citizens is not the way you help. That's just murder. Even if things are somehow better in Crimea, you're comparing to a country being bombed by a larger country with more weapons and fighters. Crimea should not have been stolen in the first place. Help your neighbors, don't hypocritically murder their people.
I don't know, they sure tried it in the eastern part of the country for 10 years
Russia is clearly nowhere near as corrupt as Ukraine given that Russia is actually able to run a functioning economy and a military. In fact, there's strong evidence to suggest that NATO is far more corrupt than Russia is given that Russia is single handedly outproducing all of the west militarily right now. Meanwhile, before yapping about Crimea, you might want to go read a history book for once in your life.
I know the history, that doesnt excuse invading them at this point. Neither is what one.corrupt country sees as corrupt in another. Your arguments hold no weight. Nothing you said justifies murdering people in a neighboring country.
Nothing justifies Ukraine murdering its own people in its own country for the eight years before this war started.
That is not even the end of it.
I'd like to add on that there is literal footage of Ukrainian troops firing into crowds of civilians in Mariupol and Krasnoarmeysk back in 2014, both after Maidan Coup.
There is also footage of Ukrainian Nazis carrying out a pogrom against the Romani in 2018.
Sorry can you point out the exact points in those that justify the murdering a bombing of people in a foreign nation? 2014 especially was a pretty messed up time, by I'm not sure I follow you as to what justification for murdering and bombing them is. Especially with new leadership. Please explain the murdering a bombing.
NATO expansion:
NATO in general:
Zelensky was a comedian groomed by oligarchs. He played a president on TV and then ran for president on TV. This was planned out in advance. Zelensky has never been in control because he was an actor in way over his head, beholden to US comprador oligarchs, and his life is openly threatened by high-level Banderite fascists should he get out of line. And he’s quite wealthy now, an oligarch in his own right. He’s in no way a “servant of the people;” that’s an act played by an actor.
Evidently, you're fine with a western backed regime murdering its own people though.
Can we tho?
You’re so far off reality I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.
I am shocked at how many liberals genuinely cannot seem to tell the difference between wanting something to be true and it actually being true.
The reality is that people in Crimea aren't being grabbed off the streets and gang pressed into fighting.
Ukraine has had corruption issues for a long time. NATO countries should stop pussy footing around and go in and help them. Route the corruption and fight Russia. I can't imagine trying to fix the corruption that's been embedded in your country for decades and then suddenly Russia is invading you. Now you need to try to route out corruption and fight a larger enemy? I really feel for the Ukrainian people, it's been rough for a long time and just gets worse. Time to just wipe Russia off the map already, split the country up and give the land to the other surrounding nations.
Oh, is that all? Just 'route the corruption' and then casually 'split up' world's biggest nuclear power? Totally won’t end in global glassing. It’s amazing how you solved a complex geopolitical crisis with the logic of a toddler smashing LEGOs.
No not "just" at all. It would take decades on both fronts. Your argument might make sense if you didn't pervert mine by putting words in my mouth.
It's clearly taken far lass than a decade for NATO to start coming apart, and it didn't even fight Russia directly yet. So maybe come down there baby Hitler.
Yes NATO started coming apart because a corrupt leader came into power in the US. However that still doesn't mean that Russia should be invading and killing people in a foreign nation. Stop supporting murder.
NATO started coming apart because NATO lost its proxy war against Russia, and the US is now throwing Europe under the bus while retrenching. It's an incredibly infantile world view to think that all this is a result of a single individual making decision unilaterally. Weird how fash like you didn't say a peep when the western installed regime in Ukraine has been killing people in Donbas for the past eight years. Stop pretending like you have some moral high ground.
You are supporting the death of innocent people instead of alterior methods. You can call people that prefer peace fascist all you want, but you are the bad guy here.
No, I don't support fascists murdering people in Donbas. That's what you support, that's what makes you a fascist.
Yeah, the peace-prefer calling to "wipe Russia off the map". Fuck off you Nazi freak.
Man, you are just itching for nuclear war aren't you? You really want a nuclear-armed transnational force with zero democratic accountability to go and fight another nuclear armed power that is currently fighting explicitly to prevent that nuclear-armed transnational force from expanding its control of the region? That is literally nuclear escalation. You gotta get out of the death cult you're in.
Actually no, that is not the way I would recommend they fight them at all. It's hilarious how you tie BS about democracy in there, though. And the prevention by invading another country part is particularly hilarious as well.
Geopolitics understander, right here
Calm down, Mr Hitler.
Pretty sure Hitler's plan was not split Russia up and give it to neighboring countries. But whatever you need to tell yourself to make you feel better about supporting a country that is murdering its neighbors. Putin would be the Hitler in this scenario. Taking over other countries and killing their people.
Fuck off, fascist
You are the fascist and you are supporting the fascists.
"I wanna fight corruption so bad I just gotta get a bit more corrupt to do so" - the good guys apparently
Right? Never mind half of the corruption in Ukraine is likely perpetrated by people who would flourish in Putin’s Russia.