Apparently Europe finally got Whatsapp to enable 3rd party chats making it easier to switch to more privacy friendly alternatives article
However the only other app that currently works with it is "BirdyChat"??
Have anybody found any news about when serious alternatives will be integrated?
ryannathans @aussie.zone - 2w
Pretty sure signal refused to integrate
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Björn - 2w
Signal should be subject to the same law. So I hope all it takes is someone making a bridge that forces Signal to open up as well.
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sic_semper_tyrannis @lemmy.today - 2w
I don't want to chat with people on WhatsApp with Signal. I don't want Meta linking my metadata. Interoperability will only keep people from switching to better platforms
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sleen @lemmy.zip - 2w
Yes this "solution" is just a bandaid to the problem which is capitalism. All this is going to do is make these corpos look like they are doing something good - but in the end, all of this is just a blur.
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BlueBockser @programming.dev - 2w
While I agree with your sentiment, no interoperability obviously hasn't made people switch to better platforms either. The only difference is that without interoperability, I'm forced to still use WhatsApp to communicate with those unwilling / unable to switch.
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sic_semper_tyrannis @lemmy.today - 2w
I would disagree. I've gotten quite a few people in my life to use Signal
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Mike - 2w
Seconded.
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Pup Biru - 2w
this part of the DMA only applies to “gatekeepers”, which are very large providers. the biggest barriers to being a gateway are (imo) turnover of > €7.5bn, 45m active monthly users in the EU
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RheumatoidArthritis @mander.xyz - 2w
State mandated XMPP. I didn't know I'm cool with authoritarianism until now!
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artyom - 2w
As they should, considering Meta would then have access to all that user data. They're just fundamentally different systems.
It's definitely something I'll use, since work chat is all I do on WhatsApp currently.
I only need to be sure it isn't some scam, although the alternative is Meta, so... yeah...
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artyom - 2w
The Birdy app requires a work email, which then gets you on a wait list, so that you can subject yourself to their data mining:
Data Categories:
The email address you use as username on BirdyChat network;
Your messages and media within messages;
User identifiers for blocked WhatsApp users;
Usage information including timestamps related to your communication with WhatsApp users;
Device and connection information such as IP address, operating system information and the BirdyChat version you are using;
General location information using your IP address;
Authentication information including encryption keys that WhatsApp encryption protocol uses;
WhatsApp user reports in case a WhatsApp user chooses to share this information with WhatsApp.
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Phoenixz - 2w
I'm going to setup my own open source chat server soon and just give the few people that need to talk to me a copy of the open source client. That you can use to talk to me, the rest will be gone
I'm sooooo fucking tired of every company and government wanting to inspect my asshole just so they know that toilet paper to advertise to me or to be sure that I'm "not a terrorist or a pedophile because the government totally is doing this to protect the children, absolutely!!!"
Fuck your lies
Fuck your marketing
And apologies for my French, I'm just reeeeeeaaaally done with this nonsense
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artyom - 2w
Have anybody found any news about when serious alternatives will be integrated?
...never? They're not integrated because they don't want them integrated. This is malicious compliance. Even if they were, the opt-in nature would make it completely useless. Much like Apple's RCS integration.
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mattreb @feddit.it - 2w
yeah this is pretty much what I was thinking, but I made the post just because I was really hoping this was not the case...
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Jeena - 2w
I'm already using a matrix bridge for it because I can't get some cousins to move natively to Matrix. But if that would make it more stable it would be appreciated.
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DSN9 - 2w
I can ditch what's app and use matrix with what's app 😅👀???
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Tundra @sh.itjust.works - 2w
if it works the same as a bridge, message is relayed unencrypted
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bartleby1 - 2w
!beeper@lemmy.ml
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Undertaker @feddit.org - 2w
As your are talking about privacy friendly alternatives, the answer is none, because they would immediately lose their privacy friendlyness
mattreb in privacy
WhatsApp "interoperability"
https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffeddit.it%2Fpictrs%2Fimage%2Fcaba5140-3d75-46ea-a506-c3da8e689dee.pngApparently Europe finally got Whatsapp to enable 3rd party chats making it easier to switch to more privacy friendly alternatives article However the only other app that currently works with it is "BirdyChat"??
Have anybody found any news about when serious alternatives will be integrated?
Pretty sure signal refused to integrate
Signal should be subject to the same law. So I hope all it takes is someone making a bridge that forces Signal to open up as well.
I don't want to chat with people on WhatsApp with Signal. I don't want Meta linking my metadata. Interoperability will only keep people from switching to better platforms
Yes this "solution" is just a bandaid to the problem which is capitalism. All this is going to do is make these corpos look like they are doing something good - but in the end, all of this is just a blur.
While I agree with your sentiment, no interoperability obviously hasn't made people switch to better platforms either. The only difference is that without interoperability, I'm forced to still use WhatsApp to communicate with those unwilling / unable to switch.
I would disagree. I've gotten quite a few people in my life to use Signal
Seconded.
this part of the DMA only applies to “gatekeepers”, which are very large providers. the biggest barriers to being a gateway are (imo) turnover of > €7.5bn, 45m active monthly users in the EU
State mandated XMPP. I didn't know I'm cool with authoritarianism until now!
As they should, considering Meta would then have access to all that user data. They're just fundamentally different systems.
Any link of this BirdyChat?
Ok sorry, it was in the article:
https://www.birdy.chat/
And also this:
https://haiket.com/
It seems like a work chat app
https://www.birdy.chat/
It's definitely something I'll use, since work chat is all I do on WhatsApp currently.
I only need to be sure it isn't some scam, although the alternative is Meta, so... yeah...
The Birdy app requires a work email, which then gets you on a wait list, so that you can subject yourself to their data mining:
Data Categories:
The email address you use as username on BirdyChat network;
Your messages and media within messages;
User identifiers for blocked WhatsApp users;
Usage information including timestamps related to your communication with WhatsApp users;
Device and connection information such as IP address, operating system information and the BirdyChat version you are using;
General location information using your IP address;
Authentication information including encryption keys that WhatsApp encryption protocol uses;
WhatsApp user reports in case a WhatsApp user chooses to share this information with WhatsApp.
I'm going to setup my own open source chat server soon and just give the few people that need to talk to me a copy of the open source client. That you can use to talk to me, the rest will be gone
I'm sooooo fucking tired of every company and government wanting to inspect my asshole just so they know that toilet paper to advertise to me or to be sure that I'm "not a terrorist or a pedophile because the government totally is doing this to protect the children, absolutely!!!"
Fuck your lies
Fuck your marketing
And apologies for my French, I'm just reeeeeeaaaally done with this nonsense
...never? They're not integrated because they don't want them integrated. This is malicious compliance. Even if they were, the opt-in nature would make it completely useless. Much like Apple's RCS integration.
yeah this is pretty much what I was thinking, but I made the post just because I was really hoping this was not the case...
I'm already using a matrix bridge for it because I can't get some cousins to move natively to Matrix. But if that would make it more stable it would be appreciated.
I can ditch what's app and use matrix with what's app 😅👀???
if it works the same as a bridge, message is relayed unencrypted
!beeper@lemmy.ml
As your are talking about privacy friendly alternatives, the answer is none, because they would immediately lose their privacy friendlyness