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Do you use a dishwasher or wash dishes by hand?

Is there a real difference in water and electricity consumption? Personally, I don't use a lot of water to wash my dishes (by hand), but maybe I should install a flow meter to make sure.

What is your opinion on the subject? Do you have any evidence or studies available that could confirm your intuition? Or do you have other alternatives in mind?

lime! - 4w

dishwasher. it uses way less water than even filling the sink once. it obviously uses more electricity than doing it by hand though. you gotta think about the value of the time saved as well.

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FoundFootFootage78 - 4w

Depends whether you wash in hot or cold water. If you use more hot water washing dishes by hand then it'll consume more electricity too.

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PagPag @lemmy.world - 4w

I use a dishwasher. Produce all my own power so that’s not a concern. Also on a treated well system so it really just makes more sense.

Generally wait until it’s full before I run it but yeah. Inefficiency is the enemy.

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lime! - 4w

of course.

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supamanc @lemmy.world - 4w

I used to wash by filling the sink till I met my wife - she always wet each item, scrubbed with soapy scrubber, and then rinsed. It's a far better method!

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underreacting @literature.cafe - 4w

That's like the second most wasteful way of washing dishes, with the most wasteful being the same thing but not turning the tap off while scrubbing.

Well, presuming you have enough wares for a full wash. Filling the sink for just one plate would be unnecessary...

You can plug the sink and wash with your current tap method and see how many dishes it takes to fill the sink with water - that's how many you need to collect to save water with the sink method.

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supamanc @lemmy.world - 4w

That's what I thought, so that's what I did! Way less water than filling the sink. Way less. I will add though that I have a pretty big sink.

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underreacting @literature.cafe - 4w

Cool! My sink was small enough that I'd fill it thrice while washing under the tap haha. Now I have a washing machine and won't be going back.

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Berengaria_of_Navarre @lemmy.world - 4w

I have 4 children. I would literally sell a kidney to buy a dishwasher, if I couldn't afford one. Fuck washing dishes by hand. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is either brain damaged or a masochist.

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TheReanuKeeves @lemmy.world - 4w

Or east asian

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Berengaria_of_Navarre @lemmy.world - 4w

Yes, I already mentioned masochism.

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chris @l.roofo.cc - 4w

Everything into the dishwasher. Why would I waste my time with washing dishes. Dishwashers are more efficient and often more hygienic because of higher temperatures and optimized wash and rinse cycles. I put everything in there, even the stuff that doesn't belong. Apart from my good knives. I hate washing by hand...

One tip though: if your machine is connected to hot water. Let the hot water on the tap run until the water is hot. This helps the machine get a better cleaning result.

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underreacting @literature.cafe - 4w

Wouldn't the first batch of lukewarm water just be used for the prewash/rinse cycle? So it doesn't matter if it's fully hot yet or not.

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Tenniswaffles @lemmy.blahaj.zone - 4w

Oh boy do I have a video for you. This guy has done a whole series on dishwashers and how to get the most out of them. Highly recommend them.

https://youtu.be/DAX2_mPr9W8

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underreacting @literature.cafe - 4w

Thanks, I was wondering what to waste my weekend on this time around!

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sem - 4w

It's not entirely waste if you learn something!

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underreacting @literature.cafe - 4w

Yeah true!

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AnAverageSnoot @lemmy.ca - 4w

I don't even need to open the link to know it's Technology Connections. Love that guy!

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binarytobis @lemmy.world - 4w

Every time I watch one of his videos I develop a new strong opinion. I have enough opinions, damnit.

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burrito @sh.itjust.works - 4w

Dishwashers are definitely the way to go. They use less water than hand washing (source: https://www.popsci.com/environment/science-of-using-dishwasher-vs-handwashing/).

I'm so firmly in the dishwasher camp that I installed a second dishwasher in my kitchen a few years ago and it has been one of the best upgrades I ever made on my house. I don't think I'll ever be able to live somewhere with a single dishwasher again.

Also, there's no need to buy any expensive pods or dishwasher detergent. The cheap store brand powder detergent works the best. Personally I use the Great Value brand powdered detergent and have been very satisfied with it. I do not pre rinse any dishes either. I just lazily scrape off my dishes in the garbage and put them straight in the dishwasher.

If you do go the dishwasher route, be sure to do your research and get a good dishwasher if you have a choice. I went with Bosch dishwashers based on reviews from Consumer Reports and have been highly satisfied with their performance. They're so quiet my wife sometimes opens them mid cycle and gets a surprise. I find this hilarious because they shine a red spot on the floor to let you know that it is running.

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onlyhalfminotaur @lemmy.world - 4w

Hello fellow Technology Connections watcher.

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bluesheep @sh.itjust.works - 4w

Can you explain the second one? Do you alternate them between dirty and clean like some kind of extra cupboard or is there more to it?

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burrito @sh.itjust.works - 4w

We run 2-5 loads of dishes a day as we do a ton of cooking at home. With a single dishwasher we'd have to immediately unload and load the next batch or we wouldn't be able to keep up and it was exhausting. With two we can keep up with the dishes a lot better. It's awesome to have another dishwasher available to put the dirty dishes in when the other is running. And when we host stuff at our house it's awesome to be able to wash everything at once.

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TechnoCat - 4w

Dishwasher. I've done hand washing and dishwashing depending on where I'm living each year. Dishwasher does a better job than me, uses less water than me, and saves me time. I run it at night and put away the dishes in the morning.

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Jentu - 4w

Technology Connections and his stranglehold on dishwasher conversations lol

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Captain Aggravated - 4w

I use a dishwasher. It's easier and uses less water.

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JASN_DE - 4w

Machine, except those items that cannot go in (mostly wood and good knives)

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JakoJakoJako13 - 4w

By hand. I've only lived in a place with a dishwasher for 1 year. During that time I felt like the dishes never got truly clean. Like if shit was stuck to a plate or bowl it would need manual intervention. If a pan sat for a day and shit got really caked on it wasn't even worth putting it in the dish washer. I don't see how it saves on water either. Like I don't leave the water running while I wash the dishes. I don't fill the sink. I rinse a plate. Turn the water off. Scrub it down. Rinse it again. Water is on for maybe 5-10 seconds a dish. Scrubbing does all the work.

Mentally, it's kinda like taking a shower in the sense that my mind goes to a completely different place and all things that bothered me before are flushed out. That change in activity or environment really lets me process shit in a way that meling in front of a screen doesn't.

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communism - 4w

By hand. I don't have a dishwasher. The place I rent didn't come with one, and I don't have the space for my own (plus no money). I think I've only ever met one person with a dishwasher, although I suppose I wouldn't know if someone has one unless I either go to their house or they bring it up. I don't see the issue with doing dishes by hand, and I pay a flat rate for water so water usage is not a concern to me.

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iByteABit - 4w

Same, and even if I wanted to install a dishwasher for my rented place, there's no water supply to connect it to so it would take some very serious work to be done

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stylusmobilus @aussie.zone - 4w

Here as well. We’re obviously not among those who put travelling down as a hobby.

Edit: though my water supply is no issue

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thericofactor @sh.itjust.works - 4w

What am I, a caveman?

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JackbyDev - 4w

Dishwasher. It saves a fuck ton of time. I've heard it saves water, but I haven't seen studies. I have a hard time believing it could use more if it's full. Regardless, it's faster. I hate chores. Make machines do them.

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AnAverageSnoot @lemmy.ca - 4w

Dishwasher! Only my cast iron and stainless steel as well as my knives by hand. I spend too much effort sharpening them to throw them in the dishwasher.

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GissaMittJobb - 4w

Dishwashers are superior to handwashing in basically every regard, and as such I lean towards it for everything in my kitchen that can handle it.

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Mongostein @lemmy.ca - 4w

Dishwasher for dishes, pots and pans get scrubbed by hand, simply because I can fit 6 or 7 plates in the same space pots take while it only takes a few seconds to scrub a pot.

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MarieMarion @literature.cafe - 4w

Recently, I was house-sitting for friends, and the dishwasher broke. I had to pause it every few minutes to empty the water by hand. It amounted to 2 shallow oven dishes' worth of water. And not filled to the brim, either: I had to be able to bring them to the sink without spilling.
It was a really, really small quantity of water.

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GreyShuck - 4w

I have read comparisons in the past. I don't have them to hand, but the conclusion was that dishwashers were more efficient in terms of water use and energy. However, the type of hand-washing that it was being compared to was itself a very inefficient style of washing (tap running continuously? two full sinks for rinsing? I can't recall, but not the way that we do).

So handwashing the way we do is probably more efficient but it seems that there isn't THAT much in it either way, and given the time taken and that we cook from scratch almost all the time, we use a dishwasher for the vast bulk of stuff.

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sem - 4w

It's not just hand washing like that. They have done comparisons with varieties of hand washing. Basically the only type of hand washing that saves water when done frugally is the three sink/basin method.

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Salamander - 4w

By hand. We are only two people, and we usually clean after we cook/eat. When one is cleaning only 2 plates + a pot/pan at a time, it is easy to use little water. Spray of soap, metal scrub, sponge scrub, and then turn the tap on to rinse for a few seconds. Utensils get individually scrubbed and then all rinsed together for a few seconds.

Maybe when we have kids a dish washer will make sense.

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HubertManne - 4w

dishwasher.

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octobob - 4w

By hand. Haven't had a dishwasher or air conditioning for at least 10 years

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sudoer777 - 4w

I use a dishwasher, but half of the dishes either don't get cleaned or aren't dishwasher safe so I have to wash by hand. I tried cleaning the filter, using detergent in the prewash, and running the water until it's hot before starting the dishwasher, and none of it did shit.

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Skysurfer @slrpnk.net - 4w

You are they lucky one today! Here is just the video for all your dishwasher woes!

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Xavienth - 4w

It's been a while since I watched that video, but didn't the person you reply to address every point stated in the video?

The only other point not stated in the video (but is mentioned in the more recent video) is to not use a brand that also sells pods, because they're likely making the powder shittier to upsell you on pods.

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sudoer777 - 4w

Yes this is the video I watched lol. Also I use powder detergent

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AstroLightz @lemmy.world - 4w

Dishwasher for sure. Many years ago, I had a dishwashing job where I had to wash everything by hand, and that made me really appreciate dishwashers ever since.

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Lumidaub @feddit.org - 4w

Teeny tiny kitchen, I don't have the space to put a dishwasher, not even a small one on the countertop.

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thejoker954 @lemmy.world - 4w

Both.

I tend to wash the larger stuff by hand so it's not wasting so much space in the dishwasher.

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thesohoriots @lemmy.world - 4w

Same. I’d be running like 3 cycles if I put pots and pans in there just to get everything through. Plus a fair amount of them can’t be run in the dishwasher anyways.

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Tomtits - 4w

By hand.

One of my first jobs was a KP so I'm used to washing by hand.

Yes we had a dishwasher, had to prewash everything because it was so shit.

Also, never, ever put a chefs knives through the dishwasher.

I wash as I go when cooking because it's much easier and you're not left with a load of minging dirty dishes after a meal

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OhVenus_Baby - 4w

Helps if you have allergies to food and ingredients too. Hot dishes rinse easily. It's extra steps loading and unloading when you keep a drying rack and rinse your dishes as you go and immediately after eating.

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Borger @lemmy.blahaj.zone - 4w

I do it by hand because I rent a small 1 bedroom flat. Those don’t typically have dishwashers here.

My last place had one though, and what an absolute godsend. I’ll definitely get one when/if I ever buy my own place.

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AmbiguousProps - 4w

They make countertop dishwashers that connect to your sink, still better than washing by hand imo

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nfreak - 4w

Both because the dishwasher in our apartment sucks ass and always leaves like 5 things that need to be redone by hand.

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Flickerby @lemmy.zip - 4w

My sink is made for someone a good 3-4 inches shorter than I am and it absolutely kills my back to hunch over like that for any period of time so gimme that machine convenience over my slipped disk

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RBWells @lemmy.world - 4w

Dishwasher for us, though the powder detergent suggestion absolutely did not work, big degradation in the results for us, went back to the orange pod things. Too many people and almost never eat out, so much cooking.

When it broke I had to fill a sink with hot soapy water (luckily ours is double) and everyone parked their dishes in there, scrubbed but left the water dirty, poured boiling water in occasionally to keep it warm and at the end of the day drain the water, rinse and dry. It worked and the easiest way I could manage but wasteful compared to dishwasher.

I never had one before living with my husband, and always hated washing dishes. Used to buy paper plates and bowls because with a big family and a job it was just too much, nobody wanted to do so many dishes.

Some things a dishwasher does not clean off the dishes. Avocado, eggs. And it doesn't work if you let them sit too long. But in general it does a good job and saves time and effort.

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whelk @retrolemmy.com - 4w

By hand. I find it relaxing and a good time to get lost in my thoughts or listen to audiobooks. It's also nice to just have some things that you do manually. I don't like the idea of a world where machines take care of everything.

The dishwasher never does a good enough job anyway

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megane-kun - 4w

Dishwashers are not a thing where I live.

I wash my dishes in at least two passes. First (optional) pass is to remove the gunk, no soap, as little water as possible. Second is to apply soap, with just enough water to wet the surface for the soap to work. Third pass is the rinse, and this is where most of the water consumption happens. I plug the sink, put the soapy dishes in the sink, and let the slightly soapy water from the current item fill it, making sure that the rest of the items consume as little water as possible even in this step.

I think for an after dinner washing for a family of four, I take around 10 minutes for the entire thing.

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dandelion (she/her) - 4w

I hate dishwashers, I wash dishes by hand.

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winkerjadams @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4w

What did they do to you?

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Anna - 4w

They hurt her feelings. But truth is she just used shit soap pods instead of good quality powder.

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sem - 4w

I use the dishwasher for everything that can go in there, because I especially like the sanitization cycle.

When I worked at a summer camp, they had a commercial dishwasher that was amazing and could do a load / tray of dishes in about 45 seconds. But I don't think this was particularly water saving. I could be wrong, but that was my favorite dishwasher ever.

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AceFuzzLord @lemmy.zip - 4w

I usually do both because I have never had a dishwasher that actually cleans anything off the dishes, no matter what I do or what cleaner I use. I am at the point I think they're a myth propagated by Big Dishwasher. JK... or am I! Yeah, they probably do exist, but just for everyone else but me.

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grapefruittrouble @lemmy.zip - 4w

Unless your dishwasher truly has something wrong with it, there’s just a few things you should do every time for it to work flawlessly.

  • remove big food particles off dishes (sauces, peanut butter is fine)
  • if your dishwasher and sink share the same water line, most likely they do, run the sink until it’s hot before running the dishwasher
  • put detergent in the actual dispenser and close it, it serves a purpose
  • avoid using pods, powder detergent works fine
  • clean filter regularly

those are the main things. if you really want to nerd out then check this video out.

Technology Connections provides great explanation of how they work and goes way more in depth on how to properly use a dishwasher, especially with detergent. honestly he provides great content on most things we use in our daily lives and is worth checking out.

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AceFuzzLord @lemmy.zip - 4w

I'll have to see if any of the things you listed that isn't removing big food particles ( since I'm already pre-cleaning ) will work.

Also, I really like Technology Connections because his videos give me a serious public TV show kinda simplistic vibe in the best way imaginable.

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ChexMax @lemmy.world - 4w

My dishwasher used to be for sanitizing only - id have to hand wash first, but now I use the Kirkland pods and I don't even rinse things. I used to also think dishwashers were a scam.

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AceFuzzLord @lemmy.zip - 4w

I've been using them for a while and maybe I'm just getting unlucky, but I still have to rinse and pre-clean.

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southernbrewer @lemmy.world - 4w

I was the same, dishwashers seem mostly pretty crap at eashing dishes. I've had about 6 different ones over the years and they never seem to save much time because you basically have to clean the dishes before you put them in anyway.

But we finally got a good one. It wasn't cheap but I can at least recommend this one: https://www.bosch-home.co.nz/en/mkt-product/dishwashers/built-in-dishwashers/underbench-dishwasher-60-cm/SMP6HCB01A

Now I just scrape food off but dont bother with a heavy pre-rinse or scrub (except for things like dried eggyolk which still never comes off without a decent scrub)

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CaptainBlinky @lemmy.myserv.one - 4w

Yes.

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BlueSquid0741 @lemmy.sdf.org - 4w

The house we bought a few years ago had a dishwasher. It doesn’t work.

We’d like to replace it but we asked the shop guys if they can help with that they told us they don’t have any local contacts who do dishwasher installs.

We’ve never used one before, but with two little kids it feels like hand washing is getting a bit much sometimes.

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southernbrewer @lemmy.world - 4w

You just slide it out, turn off the inline tap, unplug it, plug the new one in, turn the inline tap back on, slide it in, you're good to go. You dont need a professional for this, it's a very basic job.

At least where I live? Maybe the US has weirder dishwashers?

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xyrob @lemmy.zip - 4w

That's how it is in the US. Sometimes you may have to disconnect and connect things underneath with limited clearance, and usually have to disconnect the drain tube on the sink side. It may be screwed into the countertop. There are leveling feet to adjust. It also may or may not be hard wired. It just takes a few minutes in theory, but tight clearances can make it a pain.

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BlueSquid0741 @lemmy.sdf.org - 4w

Maybe the US does, but I don’t live there.

The existing dishwasher is built into the cabinetry. As I’m neither plumber nor cabinetmaker, I’m not going to do this on my own.

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sbonds @lemmy.world - 4w

Get a portable one that attaches to the faucet.

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jerebear39 @slrpnk.net - 4w

I never had a dishwasher growing up. When I moved into my current home and It had a dishwasher, I thought it was dumb, till I started using it... But I do a little bit of both, on the days where I am super lazy and let the dishes pile up, I would put them in the dishwasher just to get them clean, but on the days where I am truly responble adult, I would just take the 5-10 minutes to wash the little bit of dishes by hand. So in short, both.

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ℕ𝕖𝕞𝕠 - 4w

Handwash. I've only lived someone with a dishwasher once in my life.

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CerebralHawks - 4w

I have a dishwasher (came with the place). I don't like it. I don't think it does a very good job.

I use it as a dish drainer. That is to say, when I hand wash, I open the dishwasher, and I use its racks to air dry my washed dishes. I don't even skip straight to the dry cycle, that's a waste of electricity.

I would not own a dishwasher. I would throw it out if it were up to me and use the space for shelves to store more gear, like my slow cooker, toaster oven, air fryer, stand mixer, etc. when they are not in use.

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sem - 4w

Take a look at technology connections as videos if you haven't already. The TLDR is that the type of soap you use matters a lot, whether the water is hot matters a lot, and using the pre-wash as intended matters a lot.

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turdburglar - 4w

ha i was gonna make the same suggestion.

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RamenDame @lemmy.world - 4w

By hand but only because I took the kitchen of the previous tenants and it had none and there is no space to easily install one. If I ever buy a new kitchen I would by one.

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codemankey @programming.dev - 4w

Yes

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Jarix @lemmy.world - 4w

By hand. I cannot manage to load a dishwasher without being worried about everything in the top rack breaking.

And I hate having to dry them because there is no reasonable way to load cups and bowls without it pooling on the bottom.

Drives me insane

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Sir_Kevin @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4w

I use paper plates and bowls and throw that shit away. Depending on what I ate, I can get a couple uses out of them.

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turdburglar - 4w

wow that’s super wasteful there, friend.

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Sir_Kevin @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4w

That's life when you live in a vehicle.

Edit to add: Depending where I am, I use my burnable trash for campfires. Factoring that and the fact I'm not using water or power to clean dishes, I'd argue that's a net positive.

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turdburglar - 4w

well those are some extenuating circumstances if i’ve ever heard any.

it still does seem like money you don’t have to spend tho.

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Sir_Kevin @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4w

Yeah my situation is a bit unusual. My power and water supplies are limited so it's less about money and more about finite resources.

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hanrahan - 4w

By hand, don't have nor do I ever want a dishwasher. There is zwtro chance of a world full of fishwashers being enviomentlaly friendly.

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pillowtags @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4w

So you’re ok using more water to clean your dishes? On what basis do you declare dishwashers to be environmentally unfriendly?

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NABDad @lemmy.world - 4w

All those dirty fish swimming around...

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sem - 4w

Gulugulug

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