I wonder how many people using discord have this enabled by default. Pretty sure Krisp records everything you say and uses your voice to train ai models. Not that it's a big deal since everything on discord is completely insecure and not private at all.
I'd like to ditch discord but there's no way I can convince people to leave it, there's really nothing as easy out there right now. They'll put up with the enshittification until it's ads plastered all over the screen.
brucethemoose @lemmy.world - 1mon
Ehhhh, Krisp is the least of Discord's privacy problems. I'd say start with all its monitoring of what you do on your system as low hanging fruit.
That being said, try to get all your friends to switch to SonoBus for voice chat, strictly. It’s awesome! It’s way lower latency (so less talking over each other), clear, point to point, dead easy to start since it doesn’t need an account, customizable for quiet or noisy mics, works on everything, I could go on and on.
And again, I think “use Discord for text, but use this for voice” is a much easier ask than trying to get them to login to some other chat app.
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Batmorous @lemmy.world - 1mon
Sonobus and Stoat collab would go so hard together
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Archer @lemmy.world - 1mon
No encryption though :(
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bridgeenjoyer @sh.itjust.works - 1mon
Ill look into that! Sadly people aren't gonna change from discord, it has too many features and ease of use for them.
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Batmorous @lemmy.world - 1mon
True for now until Stoat catches up and offers things that Discord does not. Would love to see Stoat add sub folders in folders and sub folders in sub folders
That would help so much with organizing all the servers I am part of
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murmelade - 1mon
Not having Nitro bullshit alone is very attractive to me.
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INeedMana - 1mon
I haven't digged a lot in that topic but when discord comes up I always wonder if network effect is the only thing that stops stoat.chat from replacing it
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Derpgon - 1mon
For those unitiated, it used to be called Revolt
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mistermodal - 1mon
I've never even heard of that, sell me on it in three seconds.
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devxyn @sh.itjust.works - 1mon
It's like Discord if less people used it and there was still no e2ee and the signup page was broken and it was still centralized
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mistermodal - 1mon
Thanks, I hate it
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Jumuta @sh.itjust.works - 1mon
very good catch, do you have a link to an article or something about krisp recording your voice? I couldn't find one
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brucethemoose @lemmy.world - 1mon
I mean, all voice streams through Discord's servers. It’s not P2P. So there wouldn’t be any proof outside of their wording in the ToS.
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Jumuta @sh.itjust.works - 1mon
I think krisp is like another company and it goes to their servers as well maybe?? or does discord just use their software?
Oh so the OP of this thread is just worried for no reason (about krisp). That's great news!
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Jumuta @sh.itjust.works - 1mon
ohok, thanks
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Baleine @jlai.lu - 1mon
And isn't noise reduction a client side thing?
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bridgeenjoyer @sh.itjust.works - 1mon
I think there was one potential lawsuit I found . I haven't read their privacy policy. Its fishy tho
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mistermodal - 1mon
No, no, Krisp just does that to improve the user experience. You're being a paranoid conspiracy theorist. /s
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bridgeenjoyer @sh.itjust.works - 1mon
Silly me
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shortwavesurfer @lemmy.zip - 1mon
Get new friends who respect themselves and you.
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CrocodilloBombardino - 1mon
Meet people where they are to make change
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Ulrich - 1mon
I make change by refusing to be complicit.
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CrocodilloBombardino - 1mon
This all or nothing "complicit" knowledge is great for personal purity testing and useless for moving the needle. You don't need to bring someone 100% into alignment with your views, you just need them to stop supporting one kind of harm or start supporting one helpful position (which will be diff for each person)
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Truscape - 1mon
That's fine if you're Stallman, but it's not very practical if you want to actively encourage others to participate rather than just being an example and trying to preach to them.
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Ulrich - 1mon
If I have to be complicit in order to encourage others not to be complicit, then what's the point?
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Truscape - 1mon
To establish commonality. It's important to take precautions of course, but if you do not have shared experience and can confidently explain how the shortcomings you witness apply to your friends "stuck" on a platform (and what your proposed answers are), you are unlikely to change minds, because you are unable to reach the target audience. Also, there are ways to change the experience that can allow one to be a participant but not complicit to the entire ecosystem, such as using a modified client, using bots to allow bridging to/from other applications, or restricting permissions for the official client.
That's the frustrating part about change - it's not convenient. To get people to change, you need to justify that disruption, and without meeting people where they are, you will never get the chance to make your case.
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Ulrich - 1mon
Every time I've tried they've made it abundantly clear that, like most people, they don't care.
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bridgeenjoyer @sh.itjust.works - 1mon
Yeah its nearly impossible to get non techy people to swap, and there's nothing out there that can do voice, text, gifs, and screen sharing all in one. I already have enough on my plate convincing the SO to use all FOSS programs whenever possible and having them switch to linux.
Nowadays if a program has 1 hiccup people freak out and run back into the arms of Google and meta.
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Batmorous @lemmy.world - 1mon
Or at this point just say if you want to contact me I'll be on Stoat only
bridgeenjoyer in privacy
Krisp (Discord) Likely to steal data?
I wonder how many people using discord have this enabled by default. Pretty sure Krisp records everything you say and uses your voice to train ai models. Not that it's a big deal since everything on discord is completely insecure and not private at all.
I'd like to ditch discord but there's no way I can convince people to leave it, there's really nothing as easy out there right now. They'll put up with the enshittification until it's ads plastered all over the screen.
Ehhhh, Krisp is the least of Discord's privacy problems. I'd say start with all its monitoring of what you do on your system as low hanging fruit.
That being said, try to get all your friends to switch to SonoBus for voice chat, strictly. It’s awesome! It’s way lower latency (so less talking over each other), clear, point to point, dead easy to start since it doesn’t need an account, customizable for quiet or noisy mics, works on everything, I could go on and on.
Here’s what I’m talking about:
https://sonobus.net/
And again, I think “use Discord for text, but use this for voice” is a much easier ask than trying to get them to login to some other chat app.
Sonobus and Stoat collab would go so hard together
No encryption though :(
Ill look into that! Sadly people aren't gonna change from discord, it has too many features and ease of use for them.
True for now until Stoat catches up and offers things that Discord does not. Would love to see Stoat add sub folders in folders and sub folders in sub folders
That would help so much with organizing all the servers I am part of
Not having Nitro bullshit alone is very attractive to me.
I haven't digged a lot in that topic but when discord comes up I always wonder if network effect is the only thing that stops stoat.chat from replacing it
For those unitiated, it used to be called Revolt
I've never even heard of that, sell me on it in three seconds.
It's like Discord if less people used it and there was still no e2ee and the signup page was broken and it was still centralized
Thanks, I hate it
very good catch, do you have a link to an article or something about krisp recording your voice? I couldn't find one
I mean, all voice streams through Discord's servers. It’s not P2P. So there wouldn’t be any proof outside of their wording in the ToS.
I think krisp is like another company and it goes to their servers as well maybe?? or does discord just use their software?
Krisp processing happens on device using your cpu if it's enabled per their FAQ: https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360040843952-Krisp-FAQ
Oh so the OP of this thread is just worried for no reason (about krisp). That's great news!
ohok, thanks
And isn't noise reduction a client side thing?
I think there was one potential lawsuit I found . I haven't read their privacy policy. Its fishy tho
No, no, Krisp just does that to improve the user experience. You're being a paranoid conspiracy theorist. /s
Silly me
Get new friends who respect themselves and you.
Meet people where they are to make change
I make change by refusing to be complicit.
This all or nothing "complicit" knowledge is great for personal purity testing and useless for moving the needle. You don't need to bring someone 100% into alignment with your views, you just need them to stop supporting one kind of harm or start supporting one helpful position (which will be diff for each person)
That's fine if you're Stallman, but it's not very practical if you want to actively encourage others to participate rather than just being an example and trying to preach to them.
If I have to be complicit in order to encourage others not to be complicit, then what's the point?
To establish commonality. It's important to take precautions of course, but if you do not have shared experience and can confidently explain how the shortcomings you witness apply to your friends "stuck" on a platform (and what your proposed answers are), you are unlikely to change minds, because you are unable to reach the target audience. Also, there are ways to change the experience that can allow one to be a participant but not complicit to the entire ecosystem, such as using a modified client, using bots to allow bridging to/from other applications, or restricting permissions for the official client.
That's the frustrating part about change - it's not convenient. To get people to change, you need to justify that disruption, and without meeting people where they are, you will never get the chance to make your case.
Every time I've tried they've made it abundantly clear that, like most people, they don't care.
Yeah its nearly impossible to get non techy people to swap, and there's nothing out there that can do voice, text, gifs, and screen sharing all in one. I already have enough on my plate convincing the SO to use all FOSS programs whenever possible and having them switch to linux.
Nowadays if a program has 1 hiccup people freak out and run back into the arms of Google and meta.
Or at this point just say if you want to contact me I'll be on Stoat only