Honestly don't see this as gay shaming. Thats just how fascist (and many of the terminally online generally) name themselves on twitter sometimes
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mathemachristian[he] - 2mon
Idk where you got it from but Im not gonna give the libs on here the benefit of the doubt that they will read this and think its an epic own that calls fascists slur
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stray @pawb.social - 2mon
It doesn't read like it's referencing homosexuality to me. Sucking someone's dick is commonly used to refer to sycophantic behavior. The idea is allowing yourself to be used by a socially dominant figure as a means of currying favor to better your own social position beneath them.
Like I don't think kissing ass has anything to do with people actually enjoying anal play.
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mathemachristian[he] - 2mon
Calling someone a
::: spoiler slur
cocks*cker
:::
is widely accepted as a homophobic slur, and imo is rather obviously the root of the idea that a person sucking cock is "allowing themself to be used by a dominant figure" as you so neatly put it. The whole idea that the person getting their cock sucked is dominating the person sucking their cock is homophobic. It treats the person sucking cock as lesser. It's how you got the societal taboo of giving a woman oral sex, which admittedly is almost unheard of nowadays, but it used to be that going down on a woman was seeing as feminizing (since you're getting dominated by a woman) and therefore gay.
Asskissing has a completely different origin going back to a poem by Götz von Berlichingen. It comes from a completely different context even though they both are used as largely replaceable idioms.
I should come up with a copy-pasteable answer at some point.
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arrow74 @lemmy.zip - 2mon
You misunderstand, they usually make their usernames stuff like this because it's edgy or crude. This wasn't done to call them gay or anything. This is what they already do.
Just Google "DOGE BigBalls" to see an example
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JesusChristLover420 @lemmy.sdf.org - 2mon
hitlerball_lover1488 may well be a woman who wants to gargle Hitler's singular testicle. I'd ask you to in the future please be more mindful of when you assume a stranger online to be a man.
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mathemachristian[he] - 2mon
It WaSnT hOmOpHoBiC iT wAs MiSoGyNiStIc
every. fucking. time.
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JesusChristLover420 @lemmy.sdf.org - 2mon
I'm just having a bit of fun with you, no hard feelings. I know most Nazis are men. It's just, I don't think most Nazis who want to have sex with Hitler are gay. I think Nazi fetishism transcends sexuality. For Nazis, sex isn't about attraction or love or anything like that, it's about power. Nazis will fuck anyone: their wives, their superiors, their inferiors, even children, and it's not motivated by sexual attraction. It's motivated by sex as a display of dominance and submission. Sex is a means of reinforcing social hierarchy to Nazis. It's not about love.
For gay people, sex is about love.
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Kefla [she/her, they/them] - 2mon
For gay people, sex is about love.
Speak for yourself I'm here to cum
(Maybe I'm just not gay enough for the transcendent love-only orgasms )
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JesusChristLover420 @lemmy.sdf.org - 2mon
Sincerest apologies, my good slut
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mathemachristian[he] - 2mon
What then baffles me is why this is used by the anti-fascists? Why is it not just taken at face value, but the whole idea of a person getting their mouth stuffed is treated as ick and can only be because the "dominating" person has him do this.
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JesusChristLover420 @lemmy.sdf.org - 2mon
There's nothing wrong with wanting balls in your mouth, but there's a lot wrong with wanting Hitler's lonesome ball in your mouth, because Hitler was a genocidal fascist dictator. I'm sorry, but your point that we shouldn't judge Nazis for wanting to gargle Hitler's unitary ball is harmful and displays an alarming complicity with fascism. It's not okay to fuck Nazis.
To paraphrase an old German joke, what do you call ten men gangbanging Goebbels? That's right, eleven Nazis.
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mathemachristian[he] - 2mon
But they don't literally want to suck dick do they? The whole "they want to gargle hitlers ball" is just a euphemism for them allegedly wanting to be able to submit and get owned completely by someone higher up. I'm not judging nazis for wanting to suck dick, I'm judging liberals for using dicksucking as a euphemism for deplorable, sycophantic behavior.
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JesusChristLover420 @lemmy.sdf.org - 2mon
Furthermore I'd like to add, Mathemachristian, a Nazi girl gave me some of the best sex I've ever had. But when she said the Jews control the media, I dumped her then and there. Did I look back? Of course, she was freaky as fuck. But I didn't waver in my principles. And you shouldn't be acting like it's okay to fuck Nazis, because it isn't.
Huh. Interesting. Do you know any WWII scholars who will back you up on this?
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JesusChristLover420 @lemmy.sdf.org - 1mon
No, but I know of an associate professor of literature who will. Look up Jakub Rawski's 2017 article, "Sexy Fascism: Exemplifying the Relationship between Sex and Power".
What is revealed here is the homoerotic character of Nazism.
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jaybone @lemmy.zip - 2mon
You don’t have to be gay to be an asshole. Plenty of straight people, gay people, cis people, people of color, trans people can be fascists and assholes. It’s not like being LGBTQ gives you some kind of a pass to be a dickhead.
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mathemachristian[he] - 2mon
Then why the need to insert gay sex into it? The whole "Trump sucks off Putin", "The billionaires suck off Trump", like whats the punchline here? "Lol its like they're being gay with eachother"? "Ewww he's letting himself get used like some gay"?
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trashgirlfriend @lemmy.world - 2mon
Sucking someone off is a submissive sex act, thats the point of saying that.
This "saying trump is sucking someone off is homophobic" thing is just lack of reading comprehension.
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sobchak @programming.dev - 2mon
Hmm, I've never seen performing oral sex as being submissive, necessarily. It can be a quite active act; aggressive even.
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mathemachristian[he] - 2mon
Characterising gay men who like to suck dick as "submissive" is harmful. And therefore homophobic. Fellating someone is not being submissive, getting fellated is not dominating. It can be, in a dom/sub context, but it is not in itself an act with a dom/sub dynamic and characterizing it as such leads to people seeing gay people as more submissive, effeminate, and, in a patriarchal society, therefore as lesser. This whole "the person getting penetrated is the submissive part" as if they're "letting it happen" or are doing it for the benefit of the other party needs to die out. It's sexist and homophobic. I don't need to dominate my partner when having sex with her, nor do I need to submit or be passive or whatever when fellating her.
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trashgirlfriend @lemmy.world - 2mon
Your friend thats too woke
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thethunderwolf @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 1mon
sucking dick is used as a metaphor for sycophantic behaviour
"gay" is not the punchline
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urandom @lemmy.world - 2mon
It seems gay fascists, open or otherwise, is a level of idiocy even above that of non gay ones, judging by the outcome of the dude in the Wikipedia article you linked to
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mathemachristian[he] - 2mon
Ok, and that makes them more, less or the same amount of deserving of getting the wall?
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pyre @lemmy.world - 2mon
yes, it is.
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DarkFuture @lemmy.world - 1mon
It's because making the world better requires change and conservatives are terrified of everything, especially change.
Go up to a conservative. Any conservative. And ask them to talk about politics. No other prompt. Just talk about politics. Don't interrupt them for maybe 5 minutes. They'll spend at least 95% of their time talking about fear, in some form or another. Conservatism is built upon, and maintained, by fear.
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null_dot @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 1mon
But its always the dumbest fear.
Its not like "im worried about some idiot POTUS destroying my livelihood through his own ego and a misunderstanding of economic policy" or "im not going to be able to afford health care when i inevitably get sick".
Its always "if you let gay people get married then people will marry their pets and that would be an atrocity because reasons".
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pineapple - 1mon
If you dont know vote no am I right?
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FisicoDelirante - 1mon
They are so far deep into a propaganda bubble that there's no way for you to understand it. If you could see their social media content you'd be amazed of how many lies they buy without questioning.
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jaamesbaxterr @lemmy.world - 1mon
This is exactly it. I've tried talking to a few of the guys that I work with and they are fully sure that every democrat wants to kill all the babies and turn all of their children trans. I pointed out that abortions should be between a woman and her doctor and that the government shouldn't be involved at all... I got a sparkle of understanding from one of them but then he doubled down that MOST abortions are purely for convenience. Like first of all, no they are not, but even if they were it's not anybody's business. Trying to get him to understand that I'm not pro abortion, I'm pro mind your own fucking business.
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Wilco @lemmy.zip - 2mon
That's about right. Its sports team political party mentality.
"I say socialist you say where"
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LordCrom @lemmy.world - 1mon
And this is how GOP holds onto power. Its cartoonish how simple it is.
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Sandouq_Dyatha - 1mon
GOP seigs with their right hand the democrats seig with they left hand
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ComradeSharkfucker - 1mon
The left and right wing of the same eagle
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chunes @lemmy.world - 1mon
Billionaires control the media, including millions of social media accounts. Normal people want him.
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Nomorereddit @lemmy.today - 1mon
How was me too controlled by billionaires?
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1985MustangCobra @lemmy.ca - 2mon
Lmao that's alot of fucks
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SCmSTR @lemmy.blahaj.zone - 1mon
Here we go again: "bad" being transcribed as gay. Why can't people get past this shit? Why must we still make gay be an analog for bad? As a lifelong gamer, gamer culture is 100% part of the problem and a primary vector for disinformation, puritan culture, sexism, homophobia, and other kinds of hate and ignorance. We have to be fucking better than this.
It's so subtle to some, yet so corrosive and insidious.
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Juice @midwest.social - 1mon
Did you just assume @hitlerball_lover1488's gender?
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SCmSTR @lemmy.blahaj.zone - 1mon
Oh shush, we all know the insinuation of the joke of the name.
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rakete @feddit.org - 2mon
Love it
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belated_frog_pants @beehaw.org - 1mon
The gay bashing here is senseless when their awfulness is being hateful, not same sex attraction.
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HiddenLayer555 - 1mon
Not to mention all the people in this thread defending the gay jokes like it's 2010 and we're on the r/TumblrInAction subreddit.
I'm just waiting for someone to get called an SJW for having a problem with Nazis getting lumped in with gay people.
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IO 😇 - 1mon
nutguzzler42 lmao
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jaybone @lemmy.zip - 1mon
How is this anti gay? Because of the username?
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diffaldo @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 1mon
Nice meme 👍
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ComradeSharkfucker - 1mon
Thank
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Flyberius [comrade/them] - 2mon
Ah yes. Liberal "all my political opponents are gay" memes...
So progressive
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HiddenLayer555 - 1mon
The same people who thought a mural of a Soviet leader kissing another man is a definitive condemnation of socialism lol.
sharkfucker420 in memes
I'll never understand it
They want someone to blame for their perceived misery, and to vent their anger at others having it better than them.
It's easier to do that instead of being introspective.
It's a slippery slope, next thing you know you have to treat gay and black people like humans.
A safer city is nice and all, but what about the economy hmm!?
Obviously, a safer city leads to worse economy
Why the constant gay-shaming of fascists?? Is being a fascist thats secretly gay somehow worse than being a cishet fascist?
Edit: what about openly gay fascists?
Honestly don't see this as gay shaming. Thats just how fascist (and many of the terminally online generally) name themselves on twitter sometimes
Idk where you got it from but Im not gonna give the libs on here the benefit of the doubt that they will read this and think its an epic own that calls fascists slur
It doesn't read like it's referencing homosexuality to me. Sucking someone's dick is commonly used to refer to sycophantic behavior. The idea is allowing yourself to be used by a socially dominant figure as a means of currying favor to better your own social position beneath them.
Like I don't think kissing ass has anything to do with people actually enjoying anal play.
Calling someone a ::: spoiler slur cocks*cker ::: is widely accepted as a homophobic slur, and imo is rather obviously the root of the idea that a person sucking cock is "allowing themself to be used by a dominant figure" as you so neatly put it. The whole idea that the person getting their cock sucked is dominating the person sucking their cock is homophobic. It treats the person sucking cock as lesser. It's how you got the societal taboo of giving a woman oral sex, which admittedly is almost unheard of nowadays, but it used to be that going down on a woman was seeing as feminizing (since you're getting dominated by a woman) and therefore gay.
Asskissing has a completely different origin going back to a poem by Götz von Berlichingen. It comes from a completely different context even though they both are used as largely replaceable idioms.
I should come up with a copy-pasteable answer at some point.
You misunderstand, they usually make their usernames stuff like this because it's edgy or crude. This wasn't done to call them gay or anything. This is what they already do.
Just Google "DOGE BigBalls" to see an example
hitlerball_lover1488 may well be a woman who wants to gargle Hitler's singular testicle. I'd ask you to in the future please be more mindful of when you assume a stranger online to be a man.
every. fucking. time.
I'm just having a bit of fun with you, no hard feelings. I know most Nazis are men. It's just, I don't think most Nazis who want to have sex with Hitler are gay. I think Nazi fetishism transcends sexuality. For Nazis, sex isn't about attraction or love or anything like that, it's about power. Nazis will fuck anyone: their wives, their superiors, their inferiors, even children, and it's not motivated by sexual attraction. It's motivated by sex as a display of dominance and submission. Sex is a means of reinforcing social hierarchy to Nazis. It's not about love.
For gay people, sex is about love.
Speak for yourself I'm here to cum
(Maybe I'm just not gay enough for the transcendent love-only orgasms
)
Sincerest apologies, my good slut
What then baffles me is why this is used by the anti-fascists? Why is it not just taken at face value, but the whole idea of a person getting their mouth stuffed is treated as ick and can only be because the "dominating" person has him do this.
There's nothing wrong with wanting balls in your mouth, but there's a lot wrong with wanting Hitler's lonesome ball in your mouth, because Hitler was a genocidal fascist dictator. I'm sorry, but your point that we shouldn't judge Nazis for wanting to gargle Hitler's unitary ball is harmful and displays an alarming complicity with fascism. It's not okay to fuck Nazis.
To paraphrase an old German joke, what do you call ten men gangbanging Goebbels? That's right, eleven Nazis.
But they don't literally want to suck dick do they? The whole "they want to gargle hitlers ball" is just a euphemism for them allegedly wanting to be able to submit and get owned completely by someone higher up. I'm not judging nazis for wanting to suck dick, I'm judging liberals for using dicksucking as a euphemism for deplorable, sycophantic behavior.
Furthermore I'd like to add, Mathemachristian, a Nazi girl gave me some of the best sex I've ever had. But when she said the Jews control the media, I dumped her then and there. Did I look back? Of course, she was freaky as fuck. But I didn't waver in my principles. And you shouldn't be acting like it's okay to fuck Nazis, because it isn't.
everything is about sex.
Except sex, sex is about power.
what a sad world to live in
It's attributed to Oscar Wilde.
So? I mean seems it's a wrong attribution anyway^[https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/24100/what-is-the-original-source-of-everything-in-the-world-is-about-sex-except-sex] and instead was a way of dismissively(?) summarizing freudian psychoanalysis
Huh. Interesting. Do you know any WWII scholars who will back you up on this?
No, but I know of an associate professor of literature who will. Look up Jakub Rawski's 2017 article, "Sexy Fascism: Exemplifying the Relationship between Sex and Power".
You don’t have to be gay to be an asshole. Plenty of straight people, gay people, cis people, people of color, trans people can be fascists and assholes. It’s not like being LGBTQ gives you some kind of a pass to be a dickhead.
Then why the need to insert gay sex into it? The whole "Trump sucks off Putin", "The billionaires suck off Trump", like whats the punchline here? "Lol its like they're being gay with eachother"? "Ewww he's letting himself get used like some gay"?
Sucking someone off is a submissive sex act, thats the point of saying that.
This "saying trump is sucking someone off is homophobic" thing is just lack of reading comprehension.
Hmm, I've never seen performing oral sex as being submissive, necessarily. It can be a quite active act; aggressive even.
Characterising gay men who like to suck dick as "submissive" is harmful. And therefore homophobic. Fellating someone is not being submissive, getting fellated is not dominating. It can be, in a dom/sub context, but it is not in itself an act with a dom/sub dynamic and characterizing it as such leads to people seeing gay people as more submissive, effeminate, and, in a patriarchal society, therefore as lesser. This whole "the person getting penetrated is the submissive part" as if they're "letting it happen" or are doing it for the benefit of the other party needs to die out. It's sexist and homophobic. I don't need to dominate my partner when having sex with her, nor do I need to submit or be passive or whatever when fellating her.
Your friend thats too woke
sucking dick is used as a metaphor for sycophantic behaviour
"gay" is not the punchline
It seems gay fascists, open or otherwise, is a level of idiocy even above that of non gay ones, judging by the outcome of the dude in the Wikipedia article you linked to
Ok, and that makes them more, less or the same amount of deserving of getting the wall?
yes, it is.
It's because making the world better requires change and conservatives are terrified of everything, especially change.
Go up to a conservative. Any conservative. And ask them to talk about politics. No other prompt. Just talk about politics. Don't interrupt them for maybe 5 minutes. They'll spend at least 95% of their time talking about fear, in some form or another. Conservatism is built upon, and maintained, by fear.
But its always the dumbest fear.
Its not like "im worried about some idiot POTUS destroying my livelihood through his own ego and a misunderstanding of economic policy" or "im not going to be able to afford health care when i inevitably get sick".
Its always "if you let gay people get married then people will marry their pets and that would be an atrocity because reasons".
If you dont know vote no am I right?
They are so far deep into a propaganda bubble that there's no way for you to understand it. If you could see their social media content you'd be amazed of how many lies they buy without questioning.
This is exactly it. I've tried talking to a few of the guys that I work with and they are fully sure that every democrat wants to kill all the babies and turn all of their children trans. I pointed out that abortions should be between a woman and her doctor and that the government shouldn't be involved at all... I got a sparkle of understanding from one of them but then he doubled down that MOST abortions are purely for convenience. Like first of all, no they are not, but even if they were it's not anybody's business. Trying to get him to understand that I'm not pro abortion, I'm pro mind your own fucking business.
That's about right. Its sports team political party mentality.
"I say socialist you say where"
And this is how GOP holds onto power. Its cartoonish how simple it is.
GOP seigs with their right hand the democrats seig with they left hand
The left and right wing of the same eagle
Billionaires control the media, including millions of social media accounts. Normal people want him.
How was me too controlled by billionaires?
Lmao that's alot of fucks
Here we go again: "bad" being transcribed as gay. Why can't people get past this shit? Why must we still make gay be an analog for bad? As a lifelong gamer, gamer culture is 100% part of the problem and a primary vector for disinformation, puritan culture, sexism, homophobia, and other kinds of hate and ignorance. We have to be fucking better than this.
It's so subtle to some, yet so corrosive and insidious.
Did you just assume @hitlerball_lover1488's gender?
Oh shush, we all know the insinuation of the joke of the name.
Love it
The gay bashing here is senseless when their awfulness is being hateful, not same sex attraction.
Not to mention all the people in this thread defending the gay jokes like it's 2010 and we're on the r/TumblrInAction subreddit.
I'm just waiting for someone to get called an SJW for having a problem with Nazis getting lumped in with gay people.
nutguzzler42 lmao
How is this anti gay? Because of the username?
Nice meme 👍
Thank
Ah yes. Liberal "all my political opponents are gay" memes...
So progressive
The same people who thought a mural of a Soviet leader kissing another man is a definitive condemnation of socialism lol.
Like, yeah he did that. And?