I downloaded it from Aurora Store. I know I can download it from Github through Obtainium but I always run into problems if I use that method. Is FFF private like DDG?
9488fcea02a9 @sh.itjust.works - 2mon
Yes ( relatively....)
Everyone suggesting forks like librewolf or whatever are missing the most important point..... all these forks are downstream... so if you kill firefox, you kill all the downstream forks (unless someone willing to do the heavy lifting and work full time on one of the forks)
If people are willing to kill firefox over some stupid features the can be opt-out, then you are cutting your nose to spite your face (and hand it over to google/chrome)
firefox is literally the only thing stopping/slowing google/chrome total control of internet standards
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pineapple - 2mon
unless someone willing to do the heavy lifting and work full time on one of the forks
It is much more than this. Browsers are massive projects that require a full team of developers working full time to patch out security vulnerabilities. Let alone work on new features.
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muzzle @lemmy.zip - 2mon
Nonetheless, the servo and ladybug (edit: ladybird) projects exists. Let's see how far they can go.
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pineapple - 2mon
I've never heard about servo thanks for showing it to me.
On the other hand ladybug is a project being actively developed by a team of 8 developers, so thank you for helping me prove my point.
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muzzle @lemmy.zip - 2mon
8 full time developers (plus 40 contributors last month) who have already implemented more than 90% of the standard. Maybe they can make it!
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Da Oeuf - 2mon
Firefox apparently has 21 million lines of code. I feel stress just knowing that something this monstrously complicated exists on my computer. I can't imagine what it must be like to maintain it.
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frongt @lemmy.zip - 2mon
How many lines does your OS have?
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Da Oeuf - 2mon
Even more.
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cristian64 @reddthat.com - 2mon
I'd rather Mozilla ask for donations than to give me ads and bloatware. I'd be more than happy to donate periodically. If they don't correct the current course, I'm not sure for how much longer they'll keep loyal users like me. I'm sick of having to turn a bunch of things off every time, and of having to be vigilant about the new crap they keep introducing.
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SaraTonin @lemmy.world - 2mon
I’ve also seen it said by people who know more about this kind of thing than i do that because they’re relatively rare forks like librewolf actually make identifying individual users easier than if you were using vanilla Firefox
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mistermodal - 2mon
Most of these mental backflips are not worth noting. I will remind you that despite giving Mozilla plenty of walking-around data, they took Pocket away anyways, which was the simplest way to share articles to a Kobo and likely other ereaders. I will have my revenge, Mozilla
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LemmyThinkAboutThat @lemmy.myserv.one - 2mon
Firefox Focus is more of a quick search, you can’t open another tab/window type of browser, hence Focus. As soon as you close it, FF will automatically delete everything. Think of it as disposable, one-time use search and browser. I use it on my phone.
If you’re looking for a browser with privacy features that you can use everyday and customize like DuckDuckGo, then maybe you should consider IronFox. I sometimes use it on my tablet; I like to separate work from personal stuff.
DuckDuckGo is what I use when I want to watch something on YouTube, it has Duck Player.
Not sure what your goal is but if you like having different browsers for different purposes, these may be of use:
Well, you can open another tab, by opening a link in another tab. ;-) But otherwise you are right. I use it too...
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muzzle @lemmy.zip - 2mon
You can definitely open other tabs. And your tabs and cookies will stay there until you explicitly remove the app from memory or restart your phone.
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LemmyThinkAboutThat @lemmy.myserv.one - 2mon
Really? How? I just tried, just now. Been using FF for years and never had that option.
Can you please tell me how?
Also, thanks!
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muzzle @lemmy.zip - 2mon
Long tap on a link and select "open in new tab". You can even save 4 favourites! :)
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LemmyThinkAboutThat @lemmy.myserv.one - 2mon
I don’t have that option :•{ but I just saw that there’s an update!
Thanks, muzzle! =]
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BandanaBug - 2mon
Why not use ironfox?
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optissima - 2mon
FFF is basically just a dedicated incognito FF with privacy settings maxed out: no history, no persistent cache, tracking settings set to max, no persisent cookies etc. I am not sure what you're asking about related to DDG, that's a search engine.
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Xylight - 2mon
Duckduckgo offers a dedicated browser which is likely what OP is referring to.
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hexagonwin @lemmy.sdf.org - 2mon
isn't firefox focus a webview wrapper? is it proper gecko?
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utopiah - 2mon
What's the consequence of that on privacy?
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hexagonwin @lemmy.sdf.org - 2mon
webview is the one embedded with your os, it could be outdated etc. it's just not better than running a hardened chromium browser like cromite then.
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utopiah - 2mon
Right, I still don't understand how it relates to privacy though unless either it makes either fingerprinting easier (which I imagine could be limited if the UserAgent can be changed) or that the OS itself leaks information back, but at this point it wouldn't matter anyway if you don't trust the OS, so can you please explain specifically what information would be leaked and how, again as opposed to an independent engine being used?
unicornBro in privacy
Is Firefox Focus privacy respecting (relatively)?
I downloaded it from Aurora Store. I know I can download it from Github through Obtainium but I always run into problems if I use that method. Is FFF private like DDG?
Yes ( relatively....)
Everyone suggesting forks like librewolf or whatever are missing the most important point..... all these forks are downstream... so if you kill firefox, you kill all the downstream forks (unless someone willing to do the heavy lifting and work full time on one of the forks)
If people are willing to kill firefox over some stupid features the can be opt-out, then you are cutting your nose to spite your face (and hand it over to google/chrome)
firefox is literally the only thing stopping/slowing google/chrome total control of internet standards
It is much more than this. Browsers are massive projects that require a full team of developers working full time to patch out security vulnerabilities. Let alone work on new features.
Nonetheless, the servo and ladybug (edit: ladybird) projects exists. Let's see how far they can go.
I've never heard about servo thanks for showing it to me. On the other hand ladybug is a project being actively developed by a team of 8 developers, so thank you for helping me prove my point.
8 full time developers (plus 40 contributors last month) who have already implemented more than 90% of the standard. Maybe they can make it!
Firefox apparently has 21 million lines of code. I feel stress just knowing that something this monstrously complicated exists on my computer. I can't imagine what it must be like to maintain it.
How many lines does your OS have?
Even more.
I'd rather Mozilla ask for donations than to give me ads and bloatware. I'd be more than happy to donate periodically. If they don't correct the current course, I'm not sure for how much longer they'll keep loyal users like me. I'm sick of having to turn a bunch of things off every time, and of having to be vigilant about the new crap they keep introducing.
I’ve also seen it said by people who know more about this kind of thing than i do that because they’re relatively rare forks like librewolf actually make identifying individual users easier than if you were using vanilla Firefox
Most of these mental backflips are not worth noting. I will remind you that despite giving Mozilla plenty of walking-around data, they took Pocket away anyways, which was the simplest way to share articles to a Kobo and likely other ereaders. I will have my revenge, Mozilla
Firefox Focus is more of a quick search, you can’t open another tab/window type of browser, hence Focus. As soon as you close it, FF will automatically delete everything. Think of it as disposable, one-time use search and browser. I use it on my phone.
If you’re looking for a browser with privacy features that you can use everyday and customize like DuckDuckGo, then maybe you should consider IronFox. I sometimes use it on my tablet; I like to separate work from personal stuff.
DuckDuckGo is what I use when I want to watch something on YouTube, it has Duck Player.
Not sure what your goal is but if you like having different browsers for different purposes, these may be of use:
Which Is Better Duckduckgo Or Firefox
Firefox vs. Ironfox
Hope that helps. Good luck.
Well, you can open another tab, by opening a link in another tab. ;-) But otherwise you are right. I use it too...
You can definitely open other tabs. And your tabs and cookies will stay there until you explicitly remove the app from memory or restart your phone.
Really? How? I just tried, just now. Been using FF for years and never had that option.
Can you please tell me how? Also, thanks!
Long tap on a link and select "open in new tab". You can even save 4 favourites! :)
I don’t have that option :•{ but I just saw that there’s an update! Thanks, muzzle! =]
Why not use ironfox?
FFF is basically just a dedicated incognito FF with privacy settings maxed out: no history, no persistent cache, tracking settings set to max, no persisent cookies etc. I am not sure what you're asking about related to DDG, that's a search engine.
Duckduckgo offers a dedicated browser which is likely what OP is referring to.
isn't firefox focus a webview wrapper? is it proper gecko?
What's the consequence of that on privacy?
webview is the one embedded with your os, it could be outdated etc. it's just not better than running a hardened chromium browser like cromite then.
Right, I still don't understand how it relates to privacy though unless either it makes either fingerprinting easier (which I imagine could be limited if the UserAgent can be changed) or that the OS itself leaks information back, but at this point it wouldn't matter anyway if you don't trust the OS, so can you please explain specifically what information would be leaked and how, again as opposed to an independent engine being used?