Is there any good alternative to myAnimeList or would you recommend I go back to the spreadsheet?
Changed the background color not to flash bang anyone
Mark with a Z - 2mon
We and our 938 partners value your privacy
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Zachariah @lemmy.world - 2mon
“Babe, but it feels better without a condom.”
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msage @programming.dev - 2mon
It really does
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silasmariner @programming.dev - 2mon
Just one of the many perks of a stable monogamous relationship.
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Zachariah @lemmy.world - 2mon
We and our 938 partners value your health.
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RaivoKulli - 2mon
That's true though
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Zachariah @lemmy.world - 2mon
We and our 938 partners value your health.
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RaivoKulli - 2mon
Hell yeah
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TranquilTurbulence @lemmy.zip - 2mon
And all of them have stellar security. No data ever leaks anywhere.
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VieuxQueb - 2mon
And don't forget these partners have other partners of their own.
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artyom - 2mon
Unfortunately this is just the state of the web in the modern day. Virtually every site exists to serve you ads while simultaneously collecting your data and selling it to their "partners" in exchange for their content.
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DominusOfMegadeus - 2mon
I would love to see any actual verifiable positive ROI numbers directly linked to or resultant from the money a company spent to purchase these targeted ads.
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Meron35 @lemmy.world - 2mon
That's the neat part, you can't, because the companies that run ad networks (e.g. Google and Meta) intentionally make the consumer behaviours market as opaque as possible. As the market maker, they have an economic incentive to withold information from their customers, because any mistakes from market participants due to information assymetries directly translate to profit surplus for the market maker.
We have long since moved on from simple pay per click/view pricing models to pay per "impression," the definition of which is not clear even to the companies that purchase the ads.
And in a somewhat ironic twist, one of the motivations for such extensive surveillance is the desire to quantify such ROIs. Statistics and analytics such as click through and conversion rates all require tracking user behaviour across vast networks.
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DominusOfMegadeus - 2mon
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irmadlad - 2mon
I guess what I'm thinking is this scenario: if a person never had a gmail account or used any google products ever, google still makes bank off that person by using third-party cookies & scripts, cross-site tracking, fingerprinting, Ad ID / Device ID sync, et al. How can you not call that data theft when you don't use their products?
Now I'm sure somewhere in the google products TOS, it states you will bend over and spread your cheeks, but for the person that doesn't use said company's products, this seems a bit different.
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trailee @sh.itjust.works - 2mon
I wish I could find the ad impression bot fraud article I think I saw on Lemmy recently, but alas. It’s a scammy house of cards.
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irmadlad - 2mon
I've always thought (anecdotally - no substantiating evidence) that advertising on the internet, which is much different that advertising in a magazine or billboard, is probably a loss leader or close to it. The real value for the product manufacturer is the data they steal from you. In all honesty, I can't think of a product or service I've purchased that was based on an advertisement. 99.999% of the time, I know what I need or have a really good idea, and will research it on the internet extensively, depending on value, and make my purchase based on my research. It also could be that I have made it a concerted effort to never see any online advertisements on my network, so maybe I am not as affected as those who see ads in every square inch of their monitor every day, like they're on a porn site.
Network so tight I call it virgin. /s
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Grimy @lemmy.world - 2mon
It also could be that I have made it a concerted effort to never see any online advertisements on my network.
Well ya. This is like saying you don't get why guns are dangerous and then mentioning how you have bullet proof windows.
The whole scheme breaks apart if you block the constant images trying to make you buy things. I see it affecting others, no one in their right mind would buy a 100k car if it wasn't for ads imo.
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DominusOfMegadeus - 2mon
But the whole purpose of stealing your data is to better serve you ads. So I’m not seeing anywhere in your argument that shows actual profit.
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irmadlad - 2mon
Well, it wasn't so much an argument as it was a muse. I'm not a marketing guru and again, I am expert at nothing.I do run several businesses, but word of mouth is my advertisement.
The purpose of an advertisement, say in a magazine or on a billboard, is to sell you goods or services. Those goods or services are '$Price A' which is cost to manufacture, taxes/applicable fees, plus overhead and profit. On the internet, yet another element is added and a very invasive element: Data Collection & Brokering. So, without even selling you goods or services, the company in question is making bonus bucks from collecting your data and using it/selling/trading it. So, on the internet, the company in question is double dipping IMHO. Once for enticing you to buy their goods or services, and the most nefarious IMHO, collecting your data via all manner of sneaky ways. So, it seems to me, whether or not they sell you a product or service, they're already making bank on a global scale, and not affording you due compensation for creating the data in the first place. Creating takes labor and labor is compensated with $$. If it means billions of dollars to the company in question, then it's worth a lot to little ol' me. Even if it were just clicking a mouse or typing on a keyboard, your data has high value, and they know it.
I call this data theft. It is the very same offense if I walked into the CEO's office of a fore mentioned corporation, and picked up a paper weight, stuck it in my pocket, and walked out the door. It's data theft. Now it may be the bowl talking so feel free to spool me right up if I have err'd in my thought process.
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queermunist she/her - 2mon
I think the AI bubble is actually a deeper, more structural data bubble. There isn't actually a case for profitability, they're just doing it out of investor demands and inertia and because That's Just How We Do Things.
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prole @lemmy.blahaj.zone - 2mon
Not only that, but literally the only reason we even have these popups now is because of recent European laws
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artyom - 2mon
I mean the alternative is that they simply sell it without your consent.
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prole @lemmy.blahaj.zone - 2mon
Yeah that's my point
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shneancy @lemmy.world - 2mon
i mean, they still do that anyway, for all we know the "disagree" button does fuck all. but at least now we know that they do it, hooray?
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artyom - 2mon
Maybe they do, but this way at least they're legally liable for ignoring consent.
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bluemoon - 2mon
corporations are powerful in weak states and srates are weak without citizen participation in politics (parliament & streets) /nordic centric view
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jesale @lemmy.zip - 2mon
938 customers, the users are the product
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faltryka @lemmy.world - 2mon
Because you are the product.
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muhyb @programming.dev - 2mon
to value your privacy
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RichardDegenne @lemmy.zip - 2mon
In a literal sense. They're putting a price on your privacy, and there are 938 buyers.
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DoucheBagMcSwag @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 2mon
The 938 partners who really really Really REALLY fucking hate you
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Grass @sh.itjust.works - 2mon
i chortled
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baatliwala @lemmy.world - 2mon
Where's Lemmy gold when you need it
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Phoenixz - 2mon
We value your privacy, that's why we'll sell your data to anyone that is willing to pay us money. We will sell it to literally a thousand different companies which will mix and match and resell you data to thousands more
It so so so so extremely angers me that companies ALWAYS FUCKING LIE.
We value your privacy
FUCK YOU YOU DO NOT
We're pissing u on your back and we tell you that you're getting a refreshing shower, please thank us for this insult!
Just be fucking honest that you don't give a shit, money is your only bottom line, and you would rape and murder my mother if you even thought it would make you money. Fuck all of you
I want a law that says that companies cannot behave like this. You cannot say "your call is important to us" every 2 minutes while I've been waiting on the phone for three hours to be able to return your piece of shit product that arrived broken, but you were too cheap to invest in basic customer support.
I want marketing and advertising outlawed. Completely. It's allowed for companies to lay out their products, but you're not. allowed. to. lie. No "we're the best!" Fuck you, you're the absolute worst. A company like Comcast should be forbidden from claiming they're good at anything as they suck at everything and only manage to continue to exist because of fucking lying through their teeth with their marketing.
these sort of shit popups is just the next logical step that starts literally with the first words being an absolute lie
Fuck this shit
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tlmcleod - 2mon
They do value our privacy, but they just mean they're putting a $ amount on it, not that they care about it
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Feyd @programming.dev - 2mon
It's almost like they don't really value your privacy
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undefinedTruth @lemmy.zip - 2mon
We value your privacy
And this is why we are going to violate it in every way possible!
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kiagam @lemmy.world - 2mon
They are honest, but not very clear. We could rewrite that as "we assigned monetary value to your privacy"
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Cris16228 @lemmy.today - 2mon
It reminds me of
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MonkderVierte @lemmy.zip - 2mon
To give you a better personalized experience™ of course!
Just block the partners, should still work. All of the anime pirating sites are riddled with ads.
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Treczoks @lemmy.world - 2mon
All of the anime pirating sites are riddled with ads.
As if the commercial sites were any better...
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MonkderVierte @lemmy.zip - 2mon
There are commercial anime sites?
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Treczoks @lemmy.world - 2mon
I assume. I mean, they do make money somehow, and it's probably not by getting pirated.
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MonkderVierte @lemmy.zip - 2mon
Well, the usual ones make money via ads but the content is all pirated. I think fan translations for subs are not unusual either?
Edit: seems like Crunchyroll, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Disney+ & co. are some legal streamers. Of course, like with other shows, each one has only a few.
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Sludgehammer @lemmy.world - 2mon
They took harem anime's to heart?
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xia @lemmy.sdf.org - 2mon
hehe... you TOO can become a partner! We're having a special! Anyone willing to pay for partnership access coincidentally gets an unrelated trove of personal data!
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shneancy @lemmy.world - 2mon
dw about it, your data will be safe amongst their friends! MyAnimeList and their 938 closest friends :)
6
Galactose - 2mon
Anilist & Kitsu. (Kitsu is OpenSource, I think)
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FoundFootFootage78 - 2mon
There is anime-planet which I use. There's also anilist. Don't know how private either of them are.
Unfortunate there's not a good substitute for MyAnimeList, I'm really not a fan of the website design.
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SolarPunker @slrpnk.net - 2mon
I use Showly (without any account) from F-Droid for movies and series
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Ardens - 2mon
Don't install anything that needs to invade your privacy so massively.
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bluemoon - 2mon
it doesn't need that. use Kitsu or selfhost using NeoDB.
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PearOfJudes - 2mon
use stremio + Torrentio and optionally a paid Real Debrid subscription. You can actually stream from torrent found from thepiratebay or other torrent sites.
Zoma in privacy
Why does MyAnimeList need 938 partners?
https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsh.itjust.works%2Fpictrs%2Fimage%2F19d813d5-8e02-4e30-9dc4-425a14bf6dfd.pngIs there any good alternative to myAnimeList or would you recommend I go back to the spreadsheet?
Changed the background color not to flash bang anyone
We and our 938 partners value your privacy
“Babe, but it feels better without a condom.”
It really does
Just one of the many perks of a stable monogamous relationship.
We and our 938 partners value your health.
That's true though
We and our 938 partners value your health.
Hell yeah
And all of them have stellar security. No data ever leaks anywhere.
And don't forget these partners have other partners of their own.
Unfortunately this is just the state of the web in the modern day. Virtually every site exists to serve you ads while simultaneously collecting your data and selling it to their "partners" in exchange for their content.
I would love to see any actual verifiable positive ROI numbers directly linked to or resultant from the money a company spent to purchase these targeted ads.
That's the neat part, you can't, because the companies that run ad networks (e.g. Google and Meta) intentionally make the consumer behaviours market as opaque as possible. As the market maker, they have an economic incentive to withold information from their customers, because any mistakes from market participants due to information assymetries directly translate to profit surplus for the market maker.
We have long since moved on from simple pay per click/view pricing models to pay per "impression," the definition of which is not clear even to the companies that purchase the ads.
And in a somewhat ironic twist, one of the motivations for such extensive surveillance is the desire to quantify such ROIs. Statistics and analytics such as click through and conversion rates all require tracking user behaviour across vast networks.
I guess what I'm thinking is this scenario: if a person never had a gmail account or used any google products ever, google still makes bank off that person by using third-party cookies & scripts, cross-site tracking, fingerprinting, Ad ID / Device ID sync, et al. How can you not call that data theft when you don't use their products?
Now I'm sure somewhere in the google products TOS, it states you will bend over and spread your cheeks, but for the person that doesn't use said company's products, this seems a bit different.
I wish I could find the ad impression bot fraud article I think I saw on Lemmy recently, but alas. It’s a scammy house of cards.
I've always thought (anecdotally - no substantiating evidence) that advertising on the internet, which is much different that advertising in a magazine or billboard, is probably a loss leader or close to it. The real value for the product manufacturer is the data they steal from you. In all honesty, I can't think of a product or service I've purchased that was based on an advertisement. 99.999% of the time, I know what I need or have a really good idea, and will research it on the internet extensively, depending on value, and make my purchase based on my research. It also could be that I have made it a concerted effort to never see any online advertisements on my network, so maybe I am not as affected as those who see ads in every square inch of their monitor every day, like they're on a porn site.
Network so tight I call it virgin. /s
Well ya. This is like saying you don't get why guns are dangerous and then mentioning how you have bullet proof windows.
The whole scheme breaks apart if you block the constant images trying to make you buy things. I see it affecting others, no one in their right mind would buy a 100k car if it wasn't for ads imo.
But the whole purpose of stealing your data is to better serve you ads. So I’m not seeing anywhere in your argument that shows actual profit.
Well, it wasn't so much an argument as it was a muse. I'm not a marketing guru and again, I am expert at nothing.I do run several businesses, but word of mouth is my advertisement.
The purpose of an advertisement, say in a magazine or on a billboard, is to sell you goods or services. Those goods or services are '$Price A' which is cost to manufacture, taxes/applicable fees, plus overhead and profit. On the internet, yet another element is added and a very invasive element: Data Collection & Brokering. So, without even selling you goods or services, the company in question is making bonus bucks from collecting your data and using it/selling/trading it. So, on the internet, the company in question is double dipping IMHO. Once for enticing you to buy their goods or services, and the most nefarious IMHO, collecting your data via all manner of sneaky ways. So, it seems to me, whether or not they sell you a product or service, they're already making bank on a global scale, and not affording you due compensation for creating the data in the first place. Creating takes labor and labor is compensated with $$. If it means billions of dollars to the company in question, then it's worth a lot to little ol' me. Even if it were just clicking a mouse or typing on a keyboard, your data has high value, and they know it.
I call this data theft. It is the very same offense if I walked into the CEO's office of a fore mentioned corporation, and picked up a paper weight, stuck it in my pocket, and walked out the door. It's data theft. Now it may be the bowl talking so feel free to spool me right up if I have err'd in my thought process.
I think the AI bubble is actually a deeper, more structural data bubble. There isn't actually a case for profitability, they're just doing it out of investor demands and inertia and because That's Just How We Do Things.
Not only that, but literally the only reason we even have these popups now is because of recent European laws
I mean the alternative is that they simply sell it without your consent.
Yeah that's my point
i mean, they still do that anyway, for all we know the "disagree" button does fuck all. but at least now we know that they do it, hooray?
Maybe they do, but this way at least they're legally liable for ignoring consent.
corporations are powerful in weak states and srates are weak without citizen participation in politics (parliament & streets) /nordic centric view
938 customers, the users are the product
Because you are the product.
to value your privacy
In a literal sense. They're putting a price on your privacy, and there are 938 buyers.
The 938 partners who really really Really REALLY fucking hate you
i chortled
Where's Lemmy gold when you need it
It so so so so extremely angers me that companies ALWAYS FUCKING LIE.
FUCK YOU YOU DO NOT
Just be fucking honest that you don't give a shit, money is your only bottom line, and you would rape and murder my mother if you even thought it would make you money. Fuck all of you
I want a law that says that companies cannot behave like this. You cannot say "your call is important to us" every 2 minutes while I've been waiting on the phone for three hours to be able to return your piece of shit product that arrived broken, but you were too cheap to invest in basic customer support.
I want marketing and advertising outlawed. Completely. It's allowed for companies to lay out their products, but you're not. allowed. to. lie. No "we're the best!" Fuck you, you're the absolute worst. A company like Comcast should be forbidden from claiming they're good at anything as they suck at everything and only manage to continue to exist because of fucking lying through their teeth with their marketing.
these sort of shit popups is just the next logical step that starts literally with the first words being an absolute lie
Fuck this shit
They do value our privacy, but they just mean they're putting a $ amount on it, not that they care about it
It's almost like they don't really value your privacy
And this is why we are going to violate it in every way possible!
They are honest, but not very clear. We could rewrite that as "we assigned monetary value to your privacy"
It reminds me of
To give you a better personalized experience™ of course!
Just block the partners, should still work. All of the anime pirating sites are riddled with ads.
As if the commercial sites were any better...
There are commercial anime sites?
I assume. I mean, they do make money somehow, and it's probably not by getting pirated.
Well, the usual ones make money via ads but the content is all pirated. I think fan translations for subs are not unusual either?
Edit: seems like Crunchyroll, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Disney+ & co. are some legal streamers. Of course, like with other shows, each one has only a few.
They took harem anime's to heart?
hehe... you TOO can become a partner! We're having a special! Anyone willing to pay for partnership access coincidentally gets an unrelated trove of personal data!
dw about it, your data will be safe amongst their friends! MyAnimeList and their 938 closest friends :)
Anilist & Kitsu. (Kitsu is OpenSource, I think)
There is anime-planet which I use. There's also anilist. Don't know how private either of them are.
Livechart.me ?
Turn on the 'Cookie notices' filter lists in Ublock Origin.
MyPartnerList
Switch to Anilist ^^ Many FOSS Apps available :)
Switching is super easy
Self hosting a media tracker is an option. Ryot is great, others are available. It allows imports from myanimelist
https://anidb.net/ maybe?
I've been using https://kitsu.app/ for over 11 years.
That said, it's a bit janky. There are some minor bugs that will likely never get fixed because it's on a shoestring budget.
You can always import/export your library as XML though, so you can go back and forth between Kitsu and MAL.
Thanks for highlighting that.
The same way IMDB has https://imdbapi.dev/ or https://www.omdbapi.com/ (which I did use for a bit) is there an equivalent, namely MyAnimeList DB or API?
Maybe https://www.anime-planet.com/ ?
sounds like a good anime title
Unfortunate there's not a good substitute for MyAnimeList, I'm really not a fan of the website design.
I use Showly (without any account) from F-Droid for movies and series
Don't install anything that needs to invade your privacy so massively.
it doesn't need that. use Kitsu or selfhost using NeoDB.
use stremio + Torrentio and optionally a paid Real Debrid subscription. You can actually stream from torrent found from thepiratebay or other torrent sites.
Mal isn't a streaming service
thats not what MAL is for