Unfortunately Vivaldi remains a closed-source chromium browser, so no, thanks.
Edit: Never mind, just realized what community this got posted to.
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Zerush - 3mon
As always the recurrent theme, yes, Vivaldi isn't fully OpenSource, because 5% of the script, related to its unique UI is proprietary but full auditable and even moddeable by the user, the rest is a full de-googled Chromium, no data goes to Google. Vivaldi has less relations with Google than Firefox, especially if you sync with Mozilla, which now with inbuild AI also isn't full OpenSource. No logs, no tracking, ee2e no-knowledge sync, more additional services than any other browser (e-mail, own user blog, Vivaldi Social on Mastodon, mail client, feed reader, calendar......).
Vivaldi is an european employee owned cooperative from Norway, founded by Jon von Tetzchner, without any third party investors to remain independent.
I just hope you're genuinely uninformed and aren't intentionally misleading people but this makes me mistrust everything you've written.
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Zerush - 3mon
Yes, and look who are the owners of the shares of Vivaldi Invest, formed by Jon von Tetzchner with his own money, al the revenue is shared between the employees, as shareholders, corresponding to their tasks and participation, see the complete list of the employees in this page, all with their participation in the Vivaldi Investment font, this 81% is Jon von Tetzchners own money used to found the company, and used to finance the Vivaldi project. He is the founder, but Vivaldi is a cooperative and owned by it's employees with their shares and revenues of it. nothing wrong with it.
GMail is a web front-end/web mail and also provider (including storage)
Vivaldi is just another mail client and doesn't host anything.
How is this a comparison?
Comparing it with Thunderbird, Outlook & Co would make much more sense
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InternetCitizen2 @lemmy.world - 3mon
Tech writers are often techies; as in consumer of tech products not cute technicians.
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BananaTrifleViolin @lemmy.world - 3mon
So, I guess the real question is, will you be switching to this underrated browser ?
No. It's Chrome based.
As for its email client, it may be very slick but it's not an email service so it is not a replacement for Gmail. People first need to find a privacy respecting email service.
Once that is done then you choose an email client if you want to manage them outside a Web interface. Vivaldi email is therefore competing with Thunderbird and Outlook, amongst others. A comparison with Thunderbird would be more useful to make a decision.
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Stillwater @sh.itjust.works - 3mon
Personally I want my browser to be completely unconnected and unrelated to Google, Chrome, Chromium, and Blink. So no Vivaldi here either.
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Zerush - 3mon
No, Vivaldi is Blink based and has nothing more to do with Chrome, it has maybe to do with an improved de-googled Chromium fork, if you want a definition.
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zeezee @slrpnk.net - 3mon
At that point why not just use a fully FOSS project like ungoogled-chromium and avoid doing free advertising for a company that makes money off Amazon kickbacks?
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Zerush - 3mon
Well, it only receive revenue if you use this links, with it the page see the data from Vivaldi, not the user, which stay anonymous, exept if he interact with the visited page (eg.buying someting in Amazon). You are free to delete all these links if you don`t use these. That is the business model needed to pay the bills and way more ethical as making money selling user data to third parties (surveillance advertising) as other do, Vivaldi don't track or log your activity, nor send your data to any third party company.
It's the only way to create the needed incomming (employees, infrastructure, servers, etc) without to compromise the user data and privacy. Vivaldi don't has extern investors, like others and even Mozilla, supported by Google and another advertising company, or Brave by Facebook and crypto-companies, because won't lose their independency. Meanwhile there isn't any NGO or others which work for love of humanity which release a browser for free with all the features Vivaldi has, there isn't any other system without converting the user itself in a product like other do.
Well un-googled Chromiun is FOSS and can be maintaned by the community, they only have to strip out the Google APIs, not more, they dont have to pay servers for Sync, a free user mail and blog, they do not need to pay the server for the own Mastodon instance which Vivaldi has, developing and maintan all the features it has for 6 different OS, etc.., that can`t be done for free.
Not the same an simple fork of an engine with small minor changes and putting an own logo, it can`t be compared.
I know vivaldi at least used to have their own email service as well. I had an account on there when I used to use vivaldi years ago
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Zerush - 3mon
Vivaldi apart of the inbuild mail client also offers an an free e-mail direction to the user (after reaching a certain reputation, to avoid spam) as also an free blog for your own use with your account, the account is also valid to participate in the Vivaldi Mastodon instance, apart of the forum, also to sync your data with an extra encryption password, stored locally !!!!if yo lose or forget it, you lose your synced data!!!! no encryption password recovering possible. The price of privacy
Zerush in vivaldi_browser
Ditching Gmail: Why Vivaldi's Email Client is a Game-Changer
https://www.makeuseof.com/vivaldi-best-built-in-email-client-vs-gmail/Unfortunately Vivaldi remains a closed-source chromium browser, so no, thanks.
Edit: Never mind, just realized what community this got posted to.
As always the recurrent theme, yes, Vivaldi isn't fully OpenSource, because 5% of the script, related to its unique UI is proprietary but full auditable and even moddeable by the user, the rest is a full de-googled Chromium, no data goes to Google. Vivaldi has less relations with Google than Firefox, especially if you sync with Mozilla, which now with inbuild AI also isn't full OpenSource. No logs, no tracking, ee2e no-knowledge sync, more additional services than any other browser (e-mail, own user blog, Vivaldi Social on Mastodon, mail client, feed reader, calendar......). Vivaldi is an european employee owned cooperative from Norway, founded by Jon von Tetzchner, without any third party investors to remain independent.
Vivaldi source code for the peace of mind of our FOSS fans https://vivaldi.com/source/
This is blatantly and easily verifiably false - Jon von Tetzchner owns 81% of the company via Vivaldi Invest AS
I just hope you're genuinely uninformed and aren't intentionally misleading people but this makes me mistrust everything you've written.
Yes, and look who are the owners of the shares of Vivaldi Invest, formed by Jon von Tetzchner with his own money, al the revenue is shared between the employees, as shareholders, corresponding to their tasks and participation, see the complete list of the employees in this page, all with their participation in the Vivaldi Investment font, this 81% is Jon von Tetzchners own money used to found the company, and used to finance the Vivaldi project. He is the founder, but Vivaldi is a cooperative and owned by it's employees with their shares and revenues of it. nothing wrong with it.
Source
Aren't this 2 pretty much different things?
GMail is a web front-end/web mail and also provider (including storage)
Vivaldi is just another mail client and doesn't host anything.
How is this a comparison?
Comparing it with Thunderbird, Outlook & Co would make much more sense
Tech writers are often techies; as in consumer of tech products not cute technicians.
No. It's Chrome based.
As for its email client, it may be very slick but it's not an email service so it is not a replacement for Gmail. People first need to find a privacy respecting email service.
Once that is done then you choose an email client if you want to manage them outside a Web interface. Vivaldi email is therefore competing with Thunderbird and Outlook, amongst others. A comparison with Thunderbird would be more useful to make a decision.
Personally I want my browser to be completely unconnected and unrelated to Google, Chrome, Chromium, and Blink. So no Vivaldi here either.
No, Vivaldi is Blink based and has nothing more to do with Chrome, it has maybe to do with an improved de-googled Chromium fork, if you want a definition.
At that point why not just use a fully FOSS project like ungoogled-chromium and avoid doing free advertising for a company that makes money off Amazon kickbacks?
Well, it only receive revenue if you use this links, with it the page see the data from Vivaldi, not the user, which stay anonymous, exept if he interact with the visited page (eg.buying someting in Amazon). You are free to delete all these links if you don`t use these. That is the business model needed to pay the bills and way more ethical as making money selling user data to third parties (surveillance advertising) as other do, Vivaldi don't track or log your activity, nor send your data to any third party company.
It's the only way to create the needed incomming (employees, infrastructure, servers, etc) without to compromise the user data and privacy. Vivaldi don't has extern investors, like others and even Mozilla, supported by Google and another advertising company, or Brave by Facebook and crypto-companies, because won't lose their independency. Meanwhile there isn't any NGO or others which work for love of humanity which release a browser for free with all the features Vivaldi has, there isn't any other system without converting the user itself in a product like other do. Well un-googled Chromiun is FOSS and can be maintaned by the community, they only have to strip out the Google APIs, not more, they dont have to pay servers for Sync, a free user mail and blog, they do not need to pay the server for the own Mastodon instance which Vivaldi has, developing and maintan all the features it has for 6 different OS, etc.., that can`t be done for free.
Not the same an simple fork of an engine with small minor changes and putting an own logo, it can`t be compared.
https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/
I know vivaldi at least used to have their own email service as well. I had an account on there when I used to use vivaldi years ago
Vivaldi apart of the inbuild mail client also offers an an free e-mail direction to the user (after reaching a certain reputation, to avoid spam) as also an free blog for your own use with your account, the account is also valid to participate in the Vivaldi Mastodon instance, apart of the forum, also to sync your data with an extra encryption password, stored locally !!!!if yo lose or forget it, you lose your synced data!!!! no encryption password recovering possible. The price of privacy
@Zerush @BananaTrifleViolin Is the free #Vivaldi blog still using #WordPress for the software?
Yes, the user blog is from Wordpress, for forum and other they use ActivityPub.
@Zerush WP gives me headaches ... :)