“I was led to believe that this was just hearsay and rumors,” the girl’s father said, recounting a conversation he had that morning with the school counselor.
But the girl was miserable, and a police incident report showed more girls were reporting that they were victims, too. The 13-year-old returned to the counselor in the afternoon, asking to call her father. She said she was refused.
When the girl stepped onto the bus 15 minutes later, the boy was showing the AI-generated images to a friend. Fake nude images of her friends were visible on the boy’s phone, the girl said, a claim backed up by a photo taken on the bus. A video from the school bus showed at least a half-dozen students circulating the images, said Martin, the superintendent, at a school board meeting.
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FriendOfDeSoto - 2day
Let's take a moment to realize that 95% of you hadn't heard of cafe mom as an outlet until just now. And that the article's headline is misleading/tabloidy at best. And while the rest seems well researched, it's clearly misleading a bit. If you start beating a kid on the bus and ask others to join in, it's not a surprise that you get suspended. Yes, she's also the victim of terrible bullying and felt let down by the faculty (who - understandably - may need more than hearsay before they start taking action). You can still not beat people up. Nobody doesn't understand that she did it. And indeed even the police looks at all of this as mitigating circumstances. And she's back in school and on probation and that's hopefully what they do with all kids who start fistfights. The buried headline is that the other kid is under police investigation, which has the potential not only to get him suspended after all but will have even more serious consequences. From what I read here, the system works as well as it can but the story is written to cause outrage.
I understand that victims of bullying like this or sexual assault in general face an uphill battle they never wanted to fight. And with the details in this story I can totally understand why the girl snapped. And I wish her nothing but the best and appropriate punishment for the kids who circulated the images. And still, you can't resort to violence and expect not to be punished for it. We are not talking about self defense here.
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inb4_FoundTheVegan @lemmy.world - 2day
Let's take a moment to realize that 95% of you hadn't heard of cafe mom as an outlet
you can't resort to violence and expect not to be punished for it.
No one is saying that. But you should stop looking for a perfect victim and look at how many adults failed her. The actual issue is she already gone to guidance counselor, principals and school sheriff looking for help but nothing happened. Even at her young age, she is learning that women are not believed while being sexually harassed. She already attempted to deal with the problem "the right way".
The girls begged for help, first from a school guidance counselor and then from a sheriff’s deputy assigned to their school. But the images were shared on Snapchat, an app that deletes messages seconds after they’re viewed, and the adults couldn’t find them. The principal had doubts they even existed.
With the mocking unrelenting, the girl texted her sister, “It’s not getting handled.” As the school day wound down, the principal was skeptical. At the disciplinary hearing, the girl’s attorney asked why the sheriff’s deputy didn’t check the phone of the boy the girls were accusing and why he was allowed on the same bus as the girl. “Kids lie a lot,” responded Coriell, the principal. “They lie about all kinds of things. They blow lots of things out of proportion on a daily basis. In 17 years, they do it all the time. So to my knowledge, at 2 o’clock when I checked again, there were no pictures.”
It's easy to armchair moralize that this child acted inappropriately. But I think the best quote of the article is...
“When we ignore the digital harm, the only moment that becomes visible is when the victim finally breaks,”
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rainwall - 1day
Too add on here, the pricipals defense for doing nothing about what the girl and her friends reported worked out to "ive been doing this for a long time, and kids lie a lot."
Thats it. As usual, a victim of sexual harrasement gets told that since they dont have irrefutable proof, the "system" wont do anything. They didnt even act to seperate the two students from riding the same bus for 1 day.
Its no wonder the girl took action.
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WoodScientist @lemmy.world - 8hr
What's so mind-bogglingly stupid about this is the adults pretending that the only form of evidence is the images themselves. Testimony IS evidence. In fact, it's often the primary form of evidence, as no other form of evidence can be admitted in court without someone to testify to its veracity. You don't just present security camera footage, you present the footage and have someone testify that they set the camera up and can swear to the authenticity of its images. Same with DNA evidence. A scientist gets on the stand and says under oath that they performed a DNA analysis and reached certain conclusions. Ultimately every form of evidence has to have some personal testimony behind it, as you fundamentally have a right to face your accuser.
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FriendOfDeSoto - 1day
I mentioned that I do understand why she did what she did. You add more information to this story that only increase understanding as far as I'm concerned.
Let me turn this into an extreme example for comparison's sake. If a parent shot their child's rapist and murderer, we all get it. Nobody will say "I have no idea why they would do such a thing." A lot of us outsiders would look at that case and even be glad about this outcome. And at the same time, the mother or father would end up in prison. Because you cannot take the law in your own hands and expect not to be punished for that. There will be mitigating circumstances, they won't go in for life. The punishment might just be exactly the time they spent in custody before their trial. But there will be punishment because we have rules about that. (Obviously, this example is not the same as this case of bullying. I'm only using it to compare consequences.)
Was this self defense? She was just defending her digital privacy? I'm not a lawyer. As a layman, I'm going to say this does not meet the legal criteria. Morally? Absolutely.
We can meter out appropriate punishment to everybody else here: the school that maybe responded badly. The parents of the dipshits who got their hands on an undress app. The fact that there are undress apps available to middle schoolers or anybody really. Etc. But we also have the benefit of hindsight.
You and I get why she threw punches. We might even go as far as cheering her on, in our heads, had we somehow been there. Go get those bastards, black eyes for all of them. My point was merely that if you resorted to violence like that you cannot expect not to be punished for it. Like in my extreme example, there are mitigating circumstances. Plenty of them. All should be considered. But there will be something on the record. In this case the suspension/probation, which I hoped is the punishment for every fight.
She got suspended and he didn't (yet, as we find out halfway through). The headline of the linked article in the post implied that this was the outrageous part. My criticism was aimed first and foremost at the writer/editor of that article.
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queermunist she/her - 1day
Was this self defense? She was just defending her digital privacy? I’m not a lawyer. As a layman, I’m going to say this does not meet the legal criteria. Morally? Absolutely.
Why do you say that?
She was being harmed and so she defended herself, and the harm stopped. Looks like self-defense to me.
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FriendOfDeSoto - 1day
In my view, self defense is a legal defense when somebody used violence to defend themselves against an immediate threat of physical harm. I don't see how, legally, you could expand the parameters to fit this case. But I'm also not a lawyer.
The argument it seems to me you could be building here is that the victim of despicable bullying, ignored and misunderstood by all the authorities, lashed out out of desperation. And that in itself is an act of self defense. I think that's a moral way to look at it, but not a legal one. The latter will look at this exactly as mitigating circumstances.
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queermunist she/her - 1day
What is required is that there is a reasonable belief that they are in imminent physical danger. There are other factors, like attempting to deescalate and such, but she actually did that when she begged her school for help.
And being sexually harassed is reasonable reason to believe that they are in danger of sexual assault, or worse.
That's why, when the police got involved, the boy was arrested and now faces 10 charges. She has not been arrested and is not facing charges. Legally, she seems to be in the clear.
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FriendOfDeSoto - 1day
You clearly have a different take on the situation. A bunch of dipshits showing deepfakes around on a bus, ostensibly with other people around who are not party to this dispute and a grownup in the driver's seat, does not convince me that even your interpretation applies here. But neither one of us was present, we are both arm chairing this, we are just sitting in different arm chairs. Let's leave it at that.
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queermunist she/her - 1day
I'm not going to leave it. You're wrong and you need to know it.
It wasn't just one instance on the bus. These AI nudes were being traded around for a while and it wasn't just happening to this one girl either. There were multiple victims that already been going to the school and the police for help. This was, essentially, a child pornography ring.
In the aftermath we see that the police also interpret the situation the way I do, which is why they arrested the boy while the girl who beat him up was not arrested. Not to say that the police should be totally trusted in legal matters, obviously, it's up to the court to determine the facts from here. I don't think the court is going to be sympathetic to this little creep.
In light of the fact that she and the other girls went to the authorities, what the fuck else were they supposed to do? Because it looks like beating this little creep up was actually the correct decision, because it got the legal ball rolling.
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Clent @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 1day
You're the only one armchairing this and quite poorly. You seem to have a cop-drama level understanding of laws.
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Denjin @feddit.uk - 2day
Sorry, if a child goes to the school and makes the allegations she did and the school's response is "I don't believe you" and then after a second time of reporting it to the school the response is "I can't find the images on Facebook, I don't believe you" and "no you can't contact your parents" it's frankly inevitable that this would escalate.
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Soulg @ani.social - 1day
Yes it is, but that's not the point the poster was making.
I myself am a school bus driver and I can tell you that if anyone started beating a kid like that, they're getting suspended. It doesn't even matter why. If it's everyone enough the other kid could be suspended too if they did something awful to start the fight, but that's just not something you can do.
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CileTheSane @lemmy.ca - 11hr
The issue people have here is that she got punished and the kid spreading the pictures around didn't.
Yes, I would expect her to be punished for starting a fight, but I do not expect her to be punished more than the person creating pornographic images of her and spreading then around.
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atrielienz @lemmy.world - 2day
I read the actual article when it was posted on social media weeks ago right after it happened.
I want you to understand something. Revenge porn is a crime and a horribly traumatizing experience. She didn't beat the kid up. She hit him. He didn't end up in hospital.
The school literally is at fault because they didn't actually do their due diligence to find out what happened and make even the most miniscule attempt to prevent the circulation of such photos. They expected a child or group of children to admit to circulating pornographic materials. If the school bus has video/photo evidence that this student had or circulated those materials he should be facing expulsion.
What we have to look at is whether or not this was self defense. I'd argue that the victim was trying to defend her right to privacy and to not have pornography materials of her spread around the school. This was defense of her mental health when the system failed.
I'd argue that while I don't condone fighting this is exactly the situation that leads to it and the school administration let it happen. Why did they allow these kids to get on the same bus? Why was she refused permission to call home? Why didn't they have her parent or guardian come pick her up?
There were multiple points where the school could have done something to mitigate the circumstances around this assault. They didn't. They failed. And then they punished her and did nothing to fix the situation where a real and serious criminal act involving CP circulation was happening.
That's bullshit.
Edit: You know what I think is even more bullshit? The situation probably wouldn't have gotten a resolution at all if she hadn't "snapped" . There's thousands of kids getting bullied everyday who don't snap and the only time their situation changes is when they are perceived to have done something wrong due to continued abuse being heaped upon them that the adults do nothing about. That's not okay.
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queermunist she/her - 2day
It was self defense as far as I'm concerned.
Also? It got the police involved, and now the creep is facing charges.
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teft - 2day
If this was my daughter i’d have thrown her a party after beating those little shits. Violence is the answer if people in authority are not addressing the situation. It always has been the answer since most of history.
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redirtSdeR - 2day
^ = why gun ownership should be criminalised
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zbyte64 @awful.systems - 1day
Really? I would have said because of all the school shootings.
And still, you can't resort to violence and expect not to be punished for it. We are not talking about self defense here.
We actually are talking about self defence here. The thirteen year old girl is the victim of a sex crime. A sex crime, I should note, that the authorities she duly reported it to treated lackadaisically doing minimal "investigation" and then nothing.
When you feelare abandoned by your supposed protectors, and when you see the attacks happening again right in front of you, as well as attacks on your friends, you're going to take your defence in your own hands. Anybody who thinks this is wrong, but handwaves away everything that happened beforehand, is an idiot.
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WoodScientist @lemmy.world - 8hr
Exactly. We have a justice system so we don't have lynchings. Well, if the justice system disappears, the lynchings come right back.
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GeneralEmergency @lemmy.world - 2day
Woah there.
We don't read articles.
We just circle jerk over how obviously smarter than everyone else we are.
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chronotron @lemmy.world - 1day
i don't understand the need to pretend that she did anything wrong
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Soulg @ani.social - 1day
What happened to her is extremely terrible and people just get was too emotional and turn off their brains so that they can let the anger make them feel just
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chronotron @lemmy.world - 23hr
what
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WoodScientist @lemmy.world - 8hr
OP clearly just is offended by the concept of a child pornographer getting beaten up, as they for some reason identify with the child pornographer. Interpret that how you will.
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Regna - 2day
How dare you make a reasonable take and argument off of a clickbait article!?
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Randomgal @lemmy.ca - 2day
Stop ruining the fun dude. If I wanted logic and common sense I'd be touching grass, not in Lemmy.
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fodor @lemmy.zip - 22hr
Let's think about that more. What if she didn't do anything violent. Then the school buries it all... What then? Then you risk her family finding out, right? Can you imagine what an angry violent parent might do? ... Shit, the boy is lucky she attacked him. So is the school.
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UnpopularCrow @lemmy.world - 2day
It was likely due to the publicity of the case, but nonetheless the police did their job in this one.
“According to a release from the Lafourche Parish Sheriff’s Office, a male student is now facing 10 counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence, and more charges could come.”
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Ilovethebomb @sh.itjust.works - 2day
Nah, I'm pretty sure making AI porn of a minor is something any police force would shit bricks over.
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rainwall - 1day
You would be mistaken. Cops dont even investigate rape most times. There are precients where they have thousands of backlogged rape kits they havent even processed, much less started investigating.
This case went viral immediatly and brought on a lawsuit. I guarentee both of those facts are what made sure it got actual attention from the cops involved.
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WoodScientist @lemmy.world - 8hr
Police officers beat their spouses at twice the rate of the general population. That should tell you everything you need to know about how serious most cops take sex crimes.
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CerebralHawks - 2day
Can we just criminalise possession of photos, art, or AI art depicting children in sexual situations and teach kids that this is unacceptable behaviour?
At the very least, the boy who made the images should be made to register as a sex offender, and everyone who had the images (whether they shared them or not) should have their phones confiscated and either destroyed, or wiped and given to charity. Preferably to a battered women's shelter. They should all stand as an example to their peers to teach the school that possessing sexual images of minors (even faked by AI) is not acceptable and they will lose their phones. Any parent who tries to retaliate should be referred to the police — with proof of what their kid(s) had on their phone. So either "take the lesson and walk away, or face potential CSAM-related charges." I think most parents would opt for the former.
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craftrabbit @lemmy.zip - 2day
In Switzerland, where I'm from, possession of such material is both criminalised and you're also taught in school that you need to immediately call the police and delete the photos if you receive them and don't want major trouble. It seems to me like it's working pretty well, as I only ever see news of underage people being sexualised in the USA, even though I try to avoid negative news from there as much as possible.
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CerebralHawks - 19hr
Consider who's in power in the US. It's not just DJT, either. There are a whole lot of them in the pyramid who are dirty and corrupt and they keep each others' secrets and protect each other.
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surewhynotlem @lemmy.world - 2day
Anime is immediately illegal
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Jännät - 2day
I already supported CerebralHawks's idea, you don't have to sell it to me
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Denjin @feddit.uk - 2day
Good
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FluorideMind @lemmy.world - 2day
Woah there. As shit of a thing he did, he himself is child. Don't ruin his life over it.
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fodor @lemmy.zip - 1day
If only the law had a way of handling juveniles. It's too bad nobody bothered to deal with that entire subset of criminals. We've only had a few centuries... Ah well, write your congressman. /s
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ZDL @lazysoci.al - 1day
Yes. Ruin the victim's life instead.
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Soulg @ani.social - 1day
Grow up and use your brain and realize that you can handle this without doing either of those things
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ZDL @lazysoci.al - 1day
And yet, oddly enough, that's not what actually happens in most cases of sexual assault.
There's a reason why women don't report rapes.
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FluorideMind @lemmy.world - 11hr
Reported mine. Never heard a peep back. Hold those in power responsible not some little boy who doesn't know any better.
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ZDL @lazysoci.al - 8hr
The fact some teen doesn't know better is also a reflection of the parent. Perhaps hold the parents accountable too.
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atrielienz @lemmy.world - 10hr
He's 13 not 7. I feel like he did know better. That's why he didn't own up to it when he and his classmates were questioned by school officials.
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BarqsHasBite - 16hr
“That’s when I got angry,” she said during a disciplinary hearing, per the AP. The teenager admitted to attacking the student suspected of creating the AI photos and encouraging others to join her. As a result of her actions, the district sent her to an alternative school for 10 weeks.
According to a release from the Lafourche Parish Sheriff’s Office, a male student is now facing 10 counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence, and more charges could come.
She was suspended by the school for fighting. The boy was charged by the Sheriff's office for crimes on AI nudes. The title is misleading to the point of misinformation.
Edit to add: I think there's a lot of people missing the order of events here. When she was suspended they obviously knew about the fight. But at that moment the AI nudes were an accusation and there was no proof at that time. So they suspend the girl for the fight and give the investigation of AI nudes to the sheriff's office because phone unlocking needs a warrant. The boy is later charged.
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gen/Eric Computers - 15hr
That's "zero tolerance" for you. I remember getting in trouble for fighting back against a bully while they didn't get in trouble (or in as much trouble).
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Buddahriffic @lemmy.world - 11hr
Yeah, zero tolerance might as well just be called zero thought or zero effort.
It would be ironic that schools so often pick the policy that avoids thought if I still believed schools were about teaching kids to think.
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BarqsHasBite - 3hr
I think there's a lot of people missing the order of events here. When she was suspended they obviously knew about the fight. But the AI nudes were an accusation and there was no proof at that time. So they suspend the girl for the fight and give the investigation of AI nudes to the sheriff's office because phone unlocking needs a warrant.
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Sharkticon @lemmy.zip - 11hr
The title is not misleading in the least. The school took no actions against the boy. They did against her. The title has nothing to do with the Sheriff's Office.
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BarqsHasBite - 10hr
Wonder why it was the Sheriff's office that took actions against the boy instead of the school? Because AI nudes are a crime. Not some minor school infraction. JFC. It's jurisdiction if you really need it spelled out. And, the school took action against her for fighting, not because AI nudes were made of her like the title suggests.
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Sharkticon @lemmy.zip - 10hr
Sexual harassment and bullying are absolutely something schools have the capacity to punish. Don't be absurd.
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BarqsHasBite - 10hr
And when it gets severe enough it warrants, oh I don't know let's just think here, an actual criminal investigation and actual judicial proceedings. You don't want to (and can't) leave criminal investigations up to some measly school admin. Don't be absurd indeed. I'm gonna leave this conversation because you have no idea how things work. You fell for the clickbait and can't get yourself out of it.
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Pollo_Jack @lemmy.world - 5hr
The school is entirely capable of adding shit on top. They literally don't even need an investigation to suspend a kid.
They didn't even protect the victim when it was their jurisdiction.
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BarqsHasBite - 4hr
I believe you need a warrant (read judge) to force students to unlock their phone. So no I don't believe they have jurisdiction or even the ability to investigate properly. That's why it went to actual law enforcement.
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Rakonat @lemmy.world - 5hr
Misleading but not inaccurate. The girl was the victim of sexual harassment boarding on sexual assault and the school chose to do nothing. It was only AFTER she escalated the situation that anyone in a position of authority took notice.
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BarqsHasBite - 4hr
Misleading when it makes you think situation x instead of reality y is misinformation. You have to jump through some serious mental hoops to say it's accurate when it misleads you. "Oh oh oh that was on you I just tricked you that's all". Now how people looked into AI nudes is an entirely different matter. Honestly that you had to muddy the two together, well see the start of this response because you're trying it too. Ciao.
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Burninator05 @lemmy.world - 10hr
The boy had "nude" photos of a 13 year old. Seems like child porn to me and not just AI nudes.
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Formfiller @lemmy.world - 17hr
We live in a rape culture. I know because almost every woman I know has experienced it and we are punished for standing up to it.
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DylanMc6 [any, any] - 9hr
Is there a socialist kind of solution? NOT being insensitive, just being curious.
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WoodScientist @lemmy.world - 8hr
No. This is why those leftists who think all problems are class problems fail.
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DylanMc6 [any, any] - 5hr
Why?
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Lushed_Lungfish @lemmy.ca - 17hr
Ah, so the US is going all-in on accepting child porn? Okay....
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DylanMc6 [any, any] - 9hr
That girl's parents should sue the school district. Seriously!
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kunaltyagi @programming.dev - 5hr
Can I get a "didn't read the article" for 20 pence and 5 shillings?
fne8w2ah in fuck_ai @lemmy.world
Male Student Allegedly Created AI Nudes of 13-Year-Old Girl & School Suspended Her, Not Him
https://cafemom.com/news/male-student-allegedly-created-ai-nudes-of-girl-suspended-her-not-himITT: We victim blame.
Let's take a moment to realize that 95% of you hadn't heard of cafe mom as an outlet until just now. And that the article's headline is misleading/tabloidy at best. And while the rest seems well researched, it's clearly misleading a bit. If you start beating a kid on the bus and ask others to join in, it's not a surprise that you get suspended. Yes, she's also the victim of terrible bullying and felt let down by the faculty (who - understandably - may need more than hearsay before they start taking action). You can still not beat people up. Nobody doesn't understand that she did it. And indeed even the police looks at all of this as mitigating circumstances. And she's back in school and on probation and that's hopefully what they do with all kids who start fistfights. The buried headline is that the other kid is under police investigation, which has the potential not only to get him suspended after all but will have even more serious consequences. From what I read here, the system works as well as it can but the story is written to cause outrage.
I understand that victims of bullying like this or sexual assault in general face an uphill battle they never wanted to fight. And with the details in this story I can totally understand why the girl snapped. And I wish her nothing but the best and appropriate punishment for the kids who circulated the images. And still, you can't resort to violence and expect not to be punished for it. We are not talking about self defense here.
Cafemom linked to the AP article they shortened.
No one is saying that. But you should stop looking for a perfect victim and look at how many adults failed her. The actual issue is she already gone to guidance counselor, principals and school sheriff looking for help but nothing happened. Even at her young age, she is learning that women are not believed while being sexually harassed. She already attempted to deal with the problem "the right way".
It's easy to armchair moralize that this child acted inappropriately. But I think the best quote of the article is...
Too add on here, the pricipals defense for doing nothing about what the girl and her friends reported worked out to "ive been doing this for a long time, and kids lie a lot."
Thats it. As usual, a victim of sexual harrasement gets told that since they dont have irrefutable proof, the "system" wont do anything. They didnt even act to seperate the two students from riding the same bus for 1 day.
Its no wonder the girl took action.
What's so mind-bogglingly stupid about this is the adults pretending that the only form of evidence is the images themselves. Testimony IS evidence. In fact, it's often the primary form of evidence, as no other form of evidence can be admitted in court without someone to testify to its veracity. You don't just present security camera footage, you present the footage and have someone testify that they set the camera up and can swear to the authenticity of its images. Same with DNA evidence. A scientist gets on the stand and says under oath that they performed a DNA analysis and reached certain conclusions. Ultimately every form of evidence has to have some personal testimony behind it, as you fundamentally have a right to face your accuser.
I mentioned that I do understand why she did what she did. You add more information to this story that only increase understanding as far as I'm concerned.
Let me turn this into an extreme example for comparison's sake. If a parent shot their child's rapist and murderer, we all get it. Nobody will say "I have no idea why they would do such a thing." A lot of us outsiders would look at that case and even be glad about this outcome. And at the same time, the mother or father would end up in prison. Because you cannot take the law in your own hands and expect not to be punished for that. There will be mitigating circumstances, they won't go in for life. The punishment might just be exactly the time they spent in custody before their trial. But there will be punishment because we have rules about that. (Obviously, this example is not the same as this case of bullying. I'm only using it to compare consequences.)
Was this self defense? She was just defending her digital privacy? I'm not a lawyer. As a layman, I'm going to say this does not meet the legal criteria. Morally? Absolutely.
We can meter out appropriate punishment to everybody else here: the school that maybe responded badly. The parents of the dipshits who got their hands on an undress app. The fact that there are undress apps available to middle schoolers or anybody really. Etc. But we also have the benefit of hindsight.
You and I get why she threw punches. We might even go as far as cheering her on, in our heads, had we somehow been there. Go get those bastards, black eyes for all of them. My point was merely that if you resorted to violence like that you cannot expect not to be punished for it. Like in my extreme example, there are mitigating circumstances. Plenty of them. All should be considered. But there will be something on the record. In this case the suspension/probation, which I hoped is the punishment for every fight.
She got suspended and he didn't (yet, as we find out halfway through). The headline of the linked article in the post implied that this was the outrageous part. My criticism was aimed first and foremost at the writer/editor of that article.
Why do you say that?
She was being harmed and so she defended herself, and the harm stopped. Looks like self-defense to me.
In my view, self defense is a legal defense when somebody used violence to defend themselves against an immediate threat of physical harm. I don't see how, legally, you could expand the parameters to fit this case. But I'm also not a lawyer.
The argument it seems to me you could be building here is that the victim of despicable bullying, ignored and misunderstood by all the authorities, lashed out out of desperation. And that in itself is an act of self defense. I think that's a moral way to look at it, but not a legal one. The latter will look at this exactly as mitigating circumstances.
What is required is that there is a reasonable belief that they are in imminent physical danger. There are other factors, like attempting to deescalate and such, but she actually did that when she begged her school for help.
And being sexually harassed is reasonable reason to believe that they are in danger of sexual assault, or worse.
That's why, when the police got involved, the boy was arrested and now faces 10 charges. She has not been arrested and is not facing charges. Legally, she seems to be in the clear.
You clearly have a different take on the situation. A bunch of dipshits showing deepfakes around on a bus, ostensibly with other people around who are not party to this dispute and a grownup in the driver's seat, does not convince me that even your interpretation applies here. But neither one of us was present, we are both arm chairing this, we are just sitting in different arm chairs. Let's leave it at that.
I'm not going to leave it. You're wrong and you need to know it.
It wasn't just one instance on the bus. These AI nudes were being traded around for a while and it wasn't just happening to this one girl either. There were multiple victims that already been going to the school and the police for help. This was, essentially, a child pornography ring.
In the aftermath we see that the police also interpret the situation the way I do, which is why they arrested the boy while the girl who beat him up was not arrested. Not to say that the police should be totally trusted in legal matters, obviously, it's up to the court to determine the facts from here. I don't think the court is going to be sympathetic to this little creep.
In light of the fact that she and the other girls went to the authorities, what the fuck else were they supposed to do? Because it looks like beating this little creep up was actually the correct decision, because it got the legal ball rolling.
You're the only one armchairing this and quite poorly. You seem to have a cop-drama level understanding of laws.
Sorry, if a child goes to the school and makes the allegations she did and the school's response is "I don't believe you" and then after a second time of reporting it to the school the response is "I can't find the images on Facebook, I don't believe you" and "no you can't contact your parents" it's frankly inevitable that this would escalate.
Yes it is, but that's not the point the poster was making.
I myself am a school bus driver and I can tell you that if anyone started beating a kid like that, they're getting suspended. It doesn't even matter why. If it's everyone enough the other kid could be suspended too if they did something awful to start the fight, but that's just not something you can do.
The issue people have here is that she got punished and the kid spreading the pictures around didn't.
Yes, I would expect her to be punished for starting a fight, but I do not expect her to be punished more than the person creating pornographic images of her and spreading then around.
I read the actual article when it was posted on social media weeks ago right after it happened.
I want you to understand something. Revenge porn is a crime and a horribly traumatizing experience. She didn't beat the kid up. She hit him. He didn't end up in hospital.
The school literally is at fault because they didn't actually do their due diligence to find out what happened and make even the most miniscule attempt to prevent the circulation of such photos. They expected a child or group of children to admit to circulating pornographic materials. If the school bus has video/photo evidence that this student had or circulated those materials he should be facing expulsion.
What we have to look at is whether or not this was self defense. I'd argue that the victim was trying to defend her right to privacy and to not have pornography materials of her spread around the school. This was defense of her mental health when the system failed.
I'd argue that while I don't condone fighting this is exactly the situation that leads to it and the school administration let it happen. Why did they allow these kids to get on the same bus? Why was she refused permission to call home? Why didn't they have her parent or guardian come pick her up?
There were multiple points where the school could have done something to mitigate the circumstances around this assault. They didn't. They failed. And then they punished her and did nothing to fix the situation where a real and serious criminal act involving CP circulation was happening.
That's bullshit.
Edit: You know what I think is even more bullshit? The situation probably wouldn't have gotten a resolution at all if she hadn't "snapped" . There's thousands of kids getting bullied everyday who don't snap and the only time their situation changes is when they are perceived to have done something wrong due to continued abuse being heaped upon them that the adults do nothing about. That's not okay.
It was self defense as far as I'm concerned.
Also? It got the police involved, and now the creep is facing charges.
If this was my daughter i’d have thrown her a party after beating those little shits. Violence is the answer if people in authority are not addressing the situation. It always has been the answer since most of history.
^ = why gun ownership should be criminalised
Really? I would have said because of all the school shootings.
Here's the AP source: https://apnews.com/article/school-deepfake-nude-ai-cyberbullying-0ead324241cf390e1a7f3378853f23cb
We actually are talking about self defence here. The thirteen year old girl is the victim of a sex crime. A sex crime, I should note, that the authorities she duly reported it to treated lackadaisically doing minimal "investigation" and then nothing.
When you
feelare abandoned by your supposed protectors, and when you see the attacks happening again right in front of you, as well as attacks on your friends, you're going to take your defence in your own hands. Anybody who thinks this is wrong, but handwaves away everything that happened beforehand, is an idiot.Exactly. We have a justice system so we don't have lynchings. Well, if the justice system disappears, the lynchings come right back.
Woah there.
We don't read articles.
We just circle jerk over how obviously smarter than everyone else we are.
i don't understand the need to pretend that she did anything wrong
What happened to her is extremely terrible and people just get was too emotional and turn off their brains so that they can let the anger make them feel just
what
OP clearly just is offended by the concept of a child pornographer getting beaten up, as they for some reason identify with the child pornographer. Interpret that how you will.
How dare you make a reasonable take and argument off of a clickbait article!?
Stop ruining the fun dude. If I wanted logic and common sense I'd be touching grass, not in Lemmy.
Let's think about that more. What if she didn't do anything violent. Then the school buries it all... What then? Then you risk her family finding out, right? Can you imagine what an angry violent parent might do? ... Shit, the boy is lucky she attacked him. So is the school.
It was likely due to the publicity of the case, but nonetheless the police did their job in this one.
“According to a release from the Lafourche Parish Sheriff’s Office, a male student is now facing 10 counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence, and more charges could come.”
Nah, I'm pretty sure making AI porn of a minor is something any police force would shit bricks over.
You would be mistaken. Cops dont even investigate rape most times. There are precients where they have thousands of backlogged rape kits they havent even processed, much less started investigating.
This case went viral immediatly and brought on a lawsuit. I guarentee both of those facts are what made sure it got actual attention from the cops involved.
Police officers beat their spouses at twice the rate of the general population. That should tell you everything you need to know about how serious most cops take sex crimes.
Can we just criminalise possession of photos, art, or AI art depicting children in sexual situations and teach kids that this is unacceptable behaviour?
At the very least, the boy who made the images should be made to register as a sex offender, and everyone who had the images (whether they shared them or not) should have their phones confiscated and either destroyed, or wiped and given to charity. Preferably to a battered women's shelter. They should all stand as an example to their peers to teach the school that possessing sexual images of minors (even faked by AI) is not acceptable and they will lose their phones. Any parent who tries to retaliate should be referred to the police — with proof of what their kid(s) had on their phone. So either "take the lesson and walk away, or face potential CSAM-related charges." I think most parents would opt for the former.
In Switzerland, where I'm from, possession of such material is both criminalised and you're also taught in school that you need to immediately call the police and delete the photos if you receive them and don't want major trouble. It seems to me like it's working pretty well, as I only ever see news of underage people being sexualised in the USA, even though I try to avoid negative news from there as much as possible.
Consider who's in power in the US. It's not just DJT, either. There are a whole lot of them in the pyramid who are dirty and corrupt and they keep each others' secrets and protect each other.
Anime is immediately illegal
I already supported CerebralHawks's idea, you don't have to sell it to me
Good
Woah there. As shit of a thing he did, he himself is child. Don't ruin his life over it.
If only the law had a way of handling juveniles. It's too bad nobody bothered to deal with that entire subset of criminals. We've only had a few centuries... Ah well, write your congressman. /s
Yes. Ruin the victim's life instead.
Grow up and use your brain and realize that you can handle this without doing either of those things
And yet, oddly enough, that's not what actually happens in most cases of sexual assault.
There's a reason why women don't report rapes.
Reported mine. Never heard a peep back. Hold those in power responsible not some little boy who doesn't know any better.
The fact some teen doesn't know better is also a reflection of the parent. Perhaps hold the parents accountable too.
He's 13 not 7. I feel like he did know better. That's why he didn't own up to it when he and his classmates were questioned by school officials.
She was suspended by the school for fighting. The boy was charged by the Sheriff's office for crimes on AI nudes. The title is misleading to the point of misinformation.
Edit to add: I think there's a lot of people missing the order of events here. When she was suspended they obviously knew about the fight. But at that moment the AI nudes were an accusation and there was no proof at that time. So they suspend the girl for the fight and give the investigation of AI nudes to the sheriff's office because phone unlocking needs a warrant. The boy is later charged.
That's "zero tolerance" for you. I remember getting in trouble for fighting back against a bully while they didn't get in trouble (or in as much trouble).
Yeah, zero tolerance might as well just be called zero thought or zero effort.
It would be ironic that schools so often pick the policy that avoids thought if I still believed schools were about teaching kids to think.
I think there's a lot of people missing the order of events here. When she was suspended they obviously knew about the fight. But the AI nudes were an accusation and there was no proof at that time. So they suspend the girl for the fight and give the investigation of AI nudes to the sheriff's office because phone unlocking needs a warrant.
The title is not misleading in the least. The school took no actions against the boy. They did against her. The title has nothing to do with the Sheriff's Office.
Wonder why it was the Sheriff's office that took actions against the boy instead of the school? Because AI nudes are a crime. Not some minor school infraction. JFC. It's jurisdiction if you really need it spelled out. And, the school took action against her for fighting, not because AI nudes were made of her like the title suggests.
Sexual harassment and bullying are absolutely something schools have the capacity to punish. Don't be absurd.
And when it gets severe enough it warrants, oh I don't know let's just think here, an actual criminal investigation and actual judicial proceedings. You don't want to (and can't) leave criminal investigations up to some measly school admin. Don't be absurd indeed. I'm gonna leave this conversation because you have no idea how things work. You fell for the clickbait and can't get yourself out of it.
The school is entirely capable of adding shit on top. They literally don't even need an investigation to suspend a kid.
They didn't even protect the victim when it was their jurisdiction.
I believe you need a warrant (read judge) to force students to unlock their phone. So no I don't believe they have jurisdiction or even the ability to investigate properly. That's why it went to actual law enforcement.
Misleading but not inaccurate. The girl was the victim of sexual harassment boarding on sexual assault and the school chose to do nothing. It was only AFTER she escalated the situation that anyone in a position of authority took notice.
Misleading when it makes you think situation x instead of reality y is misinformation. You have to jump through some serious mental hoops to say it's accurate when it misleads you. "Oh oh oh that was on you I just tricked you that's all". Now how people looked into AI nudes is an entirely different matter. Honestly that you had to muddy the two together, well see the start of this response because you're trying it too. Ciao.
The boy had "nude" photos of a 13 year old. Seems like child porn to me and not just AI nudes.
We live in a rape culture. I know because almost every woman I know has experienced it and we are punished for standing up to it.
Is there a socialist kind of solution? NOT being insensitive, just being curious.
No. This is why those leftists who think all problems are class problems fail.
Why?
Ah, so the US is going all-in on accepting child porn? Okay....
That girl's parents should sue the school district. Seriously!
Can I get a "didn't read the article" for 20 pence and 5 shillings?
Signaling the "saved you a click" squad