A family in Maryland is trying to find a woman arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), whose attorneys say is an American citizen but the government insists is Mexican.
Agents arrested Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales, 22, on December 14 in Baltimore while she was heading home with her sister.
Despite her saying she was born in the U.S., she was held in ICE custody after failing to prove citizenship, the agency said. Attorneys rushed to get a court order keeping her in Maryland, but the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) moved her to Louisiana anyway.
Her family has now been told she has been deported, despite U.S. District Judge Brendan Hurson ruling Thursday that she could not be deported pending a hearing. Perez and colleague Victoria Slatten said they had not been able to confirm Diaz Morales' whereabouts.
Headofthebored - 2day
They won't let her lawyers see her. That in itself is illegal. Judges need to grow some balls and start issuing arrest warrants for contempt of court for these dhs people who refuse to adhere to the findings of courts.
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atzanteol @sh.itjust.works - 2day
They move people immediately to new jurisdictions and don't tell anybody they did it or where so that any habeas motions you file initially are to the wrong court. Then people have to find you before you're deported.
It's absolutely disgusting.
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QuarterSwede - 2day
Absolutely agree. They have to be held accountable otherwise, what a judge says is meaningless.
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BarneyPiccolo @lemmy.today - 2day
Her family has now been told she has been deported, despite U.S. District Judge Brendan Hurson ruling Thursday that she could not be deported pending a hearing.
Every single person who was involved in defying the judges order should be prosecuted and imprisoned for kidnapping, and more. "Mistakes" like this should carry severe, harsh punishment. Maybe when MAGA operatives start getting sentenced to 25 years to Life, they'll pause and consider the consequences of their actions.
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Dnb @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 1day
Right? It's insane how many laws and judges they break/ignore.
Consequences ASAP
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0_o7 @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 1day
Make them then. The whole world is watching. Your government has done more atrocious awful shit than this, over the decades, with pride, without consequences.
Prove us wrong. I dare you.
Claiming they'll get the "Nuremberg treatment", guillotines or jail time online does jack shit and is starting to look like "old man screams at the clouds" meme.
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phutatorius @lemmy.zip - 23hr
If anything is going to change, that's down to those of us who are actually under the jackboot. You're not in the US. What the hell good is taunting by a non-participant? To give yourself a false sense of superiority?
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BarneyPiccolo @lemmy.today - 1day
We've got elections next year that will almost certainly start some changes.
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JustEnoughDucks - 15hr
Also in the Nuremberg US versions of the trails:
Less than a fraction of one percent of identified war criminals got prosecuted. 99.8%+ got off scott-free.
(>100,000 war criminals arrested, 2500 were identified as "major war criminals" and the rest let free, of whom 177 were tried, the rest of the major war criminals getting off with 0 consequences and many getting jobs in the US, of those, 142 were convicted)
0.142% of war criminals had any consequences at all. Many of those were just for publicity.
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chiliedogg @lemmy.world - 2day
My go-to question when people defend this shit is to ask them to prove to me they're a citizen on the spot.
Not many people even have a passport, much less carry one at all times.
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dhork @lemmy.world - 2day
Pro Tip: for an extra $30, you can get a Passport Card in addition to your passport. It is only valid as a travel document for land and sea travel within North America, but has the same proof of citizenship as a passport book. Everyone who is in the wrong half of the "Peter Griffin in a Fez" scale should carry it on their person at all times.
Yes, the ICE agent will say it's fake, and confiscate it, but at least you can keep your passport book in a safe place for your family to bring to the detention center to try and get you out.
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chiliedogg @lemmy.world - 2day
Yeah - I used to carry one. I'm white as a ghost, but I used to drive to Mexico often enough it was worth not having to replace my passport book because it was getting stamped too often.
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XeroxCool @lemmy.world - 2day
Do they stamp something to supplement the card? Is that not an option with the passport book?
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chiliedogg @lemmy.world - 2day
That card doesn't have to be stamped at all. But it only works on land and sea crossing within North America. So unless you're on a cruise or driving to Mexico or Canada, you still need the book with the stamps.
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XeroxCool @lemmy.world - 2day
Right, I understand the difference in which the book is required and the card is insufficient. I'm just confused on how the card saved your book. You said they were stamping the book when you made land crossings. Instead, to save your book, you brought the card, which they obviously couldn't stamp. So what did they do instead? Issue no stamps at all? Stamp something else? Whatever they did instead, could that alternative not also be applied to the book? I've only ever used my book by plane, so I don't know what the alternatives are
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TronBronson @lemmy.world - 22hr
Canada and Mexico share their data bases with us. I imagine the visa is provided electronically at PoE
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chiliedogg @lemmy.world - 1day
If you have the card there's no stamping.
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XeroxCool @lemmy.world - 20hr
It just makes me wonder why they bother stamping the book then if they don't stamp anything supplemental with the card.
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muxika @lemmy.world - 2day
Thanks for the info. I'm on the okay side, but my wife and kids are not. A redundancy of documentation is the way to go. I just hope it matters.
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tym @lemmy.world - 1day
The whole thing is about scaring people into self-deporting. They're also coming after people like your family with the SCOTUS decision on the 14th amendment that'll drop this summer. If you want to stay together as a unit, looking at moving back to her home nation is the only actual guarantee at this stage. Sorry, brother... this shit is fucked.
Thanks, bud. Luckily citizenship isn't the issue (sorry, I meant naturalization for others, not for us), but profiling is still a problem. My wife was adopted by naturalized citizens and I'm a US citizen born abroad. We should be okay under normal circumstances. I'm just worried about harassment by ICE and DHS.
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[鳳凰院 凶真 Hououin Kyouma]|[alt: 黃家駒 Wong Ka Kui] - 1day
My wife was adopted by naturalized citizens
Relevent: Korean Adoptees that got deported because their stupid adoptive parents didn't file paperworks.
Prior to the passage of the Child Citizenship Act of 2000, the adoptive parents of adoptees had to file for their child to naturalize before the age of 16. Many parents were unaware of this requirement, assuming that their adopted children automatically derived citizenship from them, and therefore did not apply. The Child Citizenship Act sought to remedy this issue by extending citizenship to all international adoptees who were under 18 at the time that the bill was passed, but did not apply retroactively.
Under the Child Citizenship Act, intercountry adopted children do not qualify for acquired citizenship through their adoptive parents if they were 18 years or older on February 27, 2001, the effective date of the act. If these adoptees never naturalized while they were children, they did not become United States citizens and remain at risk for deportation unless they naturalized later as adults.
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Tollana1234567 @lemmy.today - 1day
the problem is that people often dont carry around that, and more than likely they have expired passport. which is quite difficult to get if havnt renewed in more than 10 years. i dont know why they make the process to get a passport so convoluted.
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dhork @lemmy.world - 22hr
The process to get your first passport is quite a chore, because you need your original citizenship documents, like that birth certificate with the raised seal, or your original naturalization papers. If you don't have that you need to go to whatever authority made out your documentation first and request it, which might take a while (and more ID).
But once you have that, renewing it is much easier, because that expired passport can be still be accepted as proof of citizenship, even for some time after expiration. I've been able to renew mine online. I just have to fill out the form, send them a fresh picture, and pay the fee.
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Mike D - 2day
Off-topic - A passport card does not have signature. It cannot be used identification in some circumstances.
The place i work requires ID from most people coming in. A signature is required most of the time.
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phutatorius @lemmy.zip - 23hr
The place you work is refusing legal government-issued ID.
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Mike D - 15hr
I should have said - It cannot be used alone as identification in some circumstances. Some thing else with a signature is required, such as a bank card.
And even if they can, it doesn't matter as there are reports of ICE agents simply claiming the documents are fake and taking them away anyway.
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Sumocat - 2day
REAL ID requires proof of citizenship and therefore should be accepted as proof, but these ICE goons aren’t trained and/or don’t care to recognize ID. I have a passport and have it on my iPhone as Digital ID, and I guarantee no one at ICE is equipped with a reader or knows what it is. If I’m ever grabbed by ICE, I expect the only proof that will matter is my neutral American accent.
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RedMari @reddthat.com - 2day
Real ID does not require proof of citizenship, just proof of legal residence. Digital passport is also not sufficient for law enforcement, just for verification for flights and some commercial establishments.
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Sumocat - 2day
My bad. I was thinking of my requirements.
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RedMari @reddthat.com - 2day
You're good just clarifying
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Headofthebored - 1day
To get mine it required a birth certificate, expiring license or passport, social security, and proof of address.
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RedMari @reddthat.com - 1day
My wife is an immigrant. She got a real ID. Brought in her green card for proof of identity.
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Tollana1234567 @lemmy.today - 1day
its always right wing conservatives saying this,.
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phutatorius @lemmy.zip - 23hr
And they don't say it to other white people.
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Coach @lemmy.world - 2day
And this is why we had this thing called "due process."
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Weydemeyer @lemmy.ml - 1day
I’ve seen so many racists say that because they “need” to deport 50 million immigrants, due process just isn’t feasible if we are to “save our country”.
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Coach @lemmy.world - 1day
Well, the other option is called "crimes against humanity." The racists need to make their choice.
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HasturInYellow @lemmy.world - 22hr
The only response to anyone saying anything about due process not being necessary is that you are currently calling ice on them for being an illegal immigrant. And when they complain that they are a citizen, you say, "sorry no due process for illegal scum."
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zbyte64 @awful.systems - 1day
"We need to suspend the law to save the laworder few privileges I have left"
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ShaggySnacks @lemmy.myserv.one - 1day
Sorry due process is only available to white Americans who happen to be parasite billionaires.
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ImgurRefugee114 @reddthat.com - 2day
“I used to work for DHS. I have a lot of respect for the agency. I do not hate the government. I do not hate the agency. I have been very frustrated with them this week,” Slatten told Newsweek. “Something that I thought would be cleared up in a matter of hours, naively… This is evidence that should have been enough on its face to let her go. It is very confusing to me why it's been such a struggle.”
Well you failed to account that it's composed almost entirely of racists implementing a racist agenda for the fascist administration. Maybe you should hate it more.
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JackbyDev - 1day
Righties really see this and don't get why due process for all is necessary.
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NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ - 17hr
I don't know if their thought process goes much further than "but she's brown"
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Asafum @lemmy.world - 2day
It's almost as if we have fucking documentation they could seek out to prove it...
For an administration obsessed with documentation for voting, you'd think they would check for documentation of being born here.
Fucking fascist cunts...
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donnywholovedbowling @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 2day
That'd be nice, but most of these fascist fuckers don't even believe in birthright citizenship
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howl2 @lemmy.zip - 23hr
If she was deported why hasn't her family heard from her? Wherever she is it's not good.
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VieuxQueb - 2day
Just look at those eyes, can't you see she surely is a super dangerous criminal! A felon, a murderer and rapist, oops, wait, that's Donald Trump's description.
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LifeInMultipleChoice @lemmy.world - 2day
That's why CBS pulled that stupid 60 minutes episode. After getting the criminal records from all 50 states, ICE, and the countries they were from, they claimed 97% of the people deported to El Salvador had never committed a violent crime. Something like half had never committed any crime. And being that immigration is a civil dispute, not a criminal one, it means all those people who were locked up and treated that were infact not criminals at all.
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Hawk @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 21hr
Even if there's dispute about nationality, it's fucking scary that they just make people disappear. Apparently nobody can tell where she is, it's absolutely horrendous what the family and this women herself must be going through.
Why anyone still cares what the DHS has to say anymore is beyond me.
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HisArmsOpen - 2day
European here, I don't think that our primitive ways allow us to understand American culture. Could they introduce a mechanism by which these things can be assessed impartially and with evidence to discuss? They could call it "Due Process", or similar?
“An ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien,” said the ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee.
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MagicShel @lemmy.zip - 2day
I see. So "The internetapp is never wrong" is policy.
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kahnclusions @lemmy.ca - 22hr
Computer says no.
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BetaBlake @lemmy.world - 1day
That's what she gets for being brown, this is really on her
MicroWave in news @lemmy.world
ICE detains woman whose lawyer insists is US citizen. DHS says she isn't
https://www.newsweek.com/ice-detains-maryland-woman-us-citizen-claims-dhs-denies-11257159A family in Maryland is trying to find a woman arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), whose attorneys say is an American citizen but the government insists is Mexican.
Agents arrested Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales, 22, on December 14 in Baltimore while she was heading home with her sister.
Despite her saying she was born in the U.S., she was held in ICE custody after failing to prove citizenship, the agency said. Attorneys rushed to get a court order keeping her in Maryland, but the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) moved her to Louisiana anyway.
Her family has now been told she has been deported, despite U.S. District Judge Brendan Hurson ruling Thursday that she could not be deported pending a hearing. Perez and colleague Victoria Slatten said they had not been able to confirm Diaz Morales' whereabouts.
They won't let her lawyers see her. That in itself is illegal. Judges need to grow some balls and start issuing arrest warrants for contempt of court for these dhs people who refuse to adhere to the findings of courts.
They move people immediately to new jurisdictions and don't tell anybody they did it or where so that any habeas motions you file initially are to the wrong court. Then people have to find you before you're deported.
It's absolutely disgusting.
Absolutely agree. They have to be held accountable otherwise, what a judge says is meaningless.
Every single person who was involved in defying the judges order should be prosecuted and imprisoned for kidnapping, and more. "Mistakes" like this should carry severe, harsh punishment. Maybe when MAGA operatives start getting sentenced to 25 years to Life, they'll pause and consider the consequences of their actions.
Right? It's insane how many laws and judges they break/ignore.
Consequences ASAP
Make them then. The whole world is watching. Your government has done more atrocious awful shit than this, over the decades, with pride, without consequences.
Prove us wrong. I dare you.
Claiming they'll get the "Nuremberg treatment", guillotines or jail time online does jack shit and is starting to look like "old man screams at the clouds" meme.
If anything is going to change, that's down to those of us who are actually under the jackboot. You're not in the US. What the hell good is taunting by a non-participant? To give yourself a false sense of superiority?
We've got elections next year that will almost certainly start some changes.
Also in the Nuremberg US versions of the trails:
Less than a fraction of one percent of identified war criminals got prosecuted. 99.8%+ got off scott-free.
(>100,000 war criminals arrested, 2500 were identified as "major war criminals" and the rest let free, of whom 177 were tried, the rest of the major war criminals getting off with 0 consequences and many getting jobs in the US, of those, 142 were convicted)
0.142% of war criminals had any consequences at all. Many of those were just for publicity.
My go-to question when people defend this shit is to ask them to prove to me they're a citizen on the spot.
Not many people even have a passport, much less carry one at all times.
Pro Tip: for an extra $30, you can get a Passport Card in addition to your passport. It is only valid as a travel document for land and sea travel within North America, but has the same proof of citizenship as a passport book. Everyone who is in the wrong half of the "Peter Griffin in a Fez" scale should carry it on their person at all times.
Yes, the ICE agent will say it's fake, and confiscate it, but at least you can keep your passport book in a safe place for your family to bring to the detention center to try and get you out.
Yeah - I used to carry one. I'm white as a ghost, but I used to drive to Mexico often enough it was worth not having to replace my passport book because it was getting stamped too often.
Do they stamp something to supplement the card? Is that not an option with the passport book?
That card doesn't have to be stamped at all. But it only works on land and sea crossing within North America. So unless you're on a cruise or driving to Mexico or Canada, you still need the book with the stamps.
Right, I understand the difference in which the book is required and the card is insufficient. I'm just confused on how the card saved your book. You said they were stamping the book when you made land crossings. Instead, to save your book, you brought the card, which they obviously couldn't stamp. So what did they do instead? Issue no stamps at all? Stamp something else? Whatever they did instead, could that alternative not also be applied to the book? I've only ever used my book by plane, so I don't know what the alternatives are
Canada and Mexico share their data bases with us. I imagine the visa is provided electronically at PoE
If you have the card there's no stamping.
It just makes me wonder why they bother stamping the book then if they don't stamp anything supplemental with the card.
Thanks for the info. I'm on the okay side, but my wife and kids are not. A redundancy of documentation is the way to go. I just hope it matters.
The whole thing is about scaring people into self-deporting. They're also coming after people like your family with the SCOTUS decision on the 14th amendment that'll drop this summer. If you want to stay together as a unit, looking at moving back to her home nation is the only actual guarantee at this stage. Sorry, brother... this shit is fucked.
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-trump-birthright-citizenship-14th-amendment-873a45bc58de9e92773f554bf5bba9a0
Thanks, bud. Luckily citizenship isn't the issue (sorry, I meant naturalization for others, not for us), but profiling is still a problem. My wife was adopted by naturalized citizens and I'm a US citizen born abroad. We should be okay under normal circumstances. I'm just worried about harassment by ICE and DHS.
Relevent: Korean Adoptees that got deported because their stupid adoptive parents didn't file paperworks.
the problem is that people often dont carry around that, and more than likely they have expired passport. which is quite difficult to get if havnt renewed in more than 10 years. i dont know why they make the process to get a passport so convoluted.
The process to get your first passport is quite a chore, because you need your original citizenship documents, like that birth certificate with the raised seal, or your original naturalization papers. If you don't have that you need to go to whatever authority made out your documentation first and request it, which might take a while (and more ID).
But once you have that, renewing it is much easier, because that expired passport can be still be accepted as proof of citizenship, even for some time after expiration. I've been able to renew mine online. I just have to fill out the form, send them a fresh picture, and pay the fee.
Off-topic - A passport card does not have signature. It cannot be used identification in some circumstances.
The place i work requires ID from most people coming in. A signature is required most of the time.
The place you work is refusing legal government-issued ID.
I should have said - It cannot be used alone as identification in some circumstances. Some thing else with a signature is required, such as a bank card.
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ef3339e4-64fe-405f-ad35-cea694da504e.gif
And even if they can, it doesn't matter as there are reports of ICE agents simply claiming the documents are fake and taking them away anyway.
REAL ID requires proof of citizenship and therefore should be accepted as proof, but these ICE goons aren’t trained and/or don’t care to recognize ID. I have a passport and have it on my iPhone as Digital ID, and I guarantee no one at ICE is equipped with a reader or knows what it is. If I’m ever grabbed by ICE, I expect the only proof that will matter is my neutral American accent.
Real ID does not require proof of citizenship, just proof of legal residence. Digital passport is also not sufficient for law enforcement, just for verification for flights and some commercial establishments.
My bad. I was thinking of my requirements.
You're good just clarifying
To get mine it required a birth certificate, expiring license or passport, social security, and proof of address.
My wife is an immigrant. She got a real ID. Brought in her green card for proof of identity.
its always right wing conservatives saying this,.
And they don't say it to other white people.
And this is why we had this thing called "due process."
I’ve seen so many racists say that because they “need” to deport 50 million immigrants, due process just isn’t feasible if we are to “save our country”.
Well, the other option is called "crimes against humanity." The racists need to make their choice.
The only response to anyone saying anything about due process not being necessary is that you are currently calling ice on them for being an illegal immigrant. And when they complain that they are a citizen, you say, "sorry no due process for illegal scum."
"We need to suspend the law to save the
laworderfew privileges I have left"Sorry due process is only available to white Americans who happen to be parasite billionaires.
Well you failed to account that it's composed almost entirely of racists implementing a racist agenda for the fascist administration. Maybe you should hate it more.
Righties really see this and don't get why due process for all is necessary.
I don't know if their thought process goes much further than "but she's brown"
It's almost as if we have fucking documentation they could seek out to prove it...
For an administration obsessed with documentation for voting, you'd think they would check for documentation of being born here.
Fucking fascist cunts...
That'd be nice, but most of these fascist fuckers don't even believe in birthright citizenship
If she was deported why hasn't her family heard from her? Wherever she is it's not good.
Just look at those eyes, can't you see she surely is a super dangerous criminal! A felon, a murderer and rapist, oops, wait, that's Donald Trump's description.
That's why CBS pulled that stupid 60 minutes episode. After getting the criminal records from all 50 states, ICE, and the countries they were from, they claimed 97% of the people deported to El Salvador had never committed a violent crime. Something like half had never committed any crime. And being that immigration is a civil dispute, not a criminal one, it means all those people who were locked up and treated that were infact not criminals at all.
Even if there's dispute about nationality, it's fucking scary that they just make people disappear. Apparently nobody can tell where she is, it's absolutely horrendous what the family and this women herself must be going through.
we need socialism
We need Freedom.
FIFY
A rose by any other name ...,
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/freedom-vs-liberty-how-subtle-differences-between-these-two-big-ideas-changed-our-world/
okay.
Why anyone still cares what the DHS has to say anymore is beyond me.
European here, I don't think that our primitive ways allow us to understand American culture. Could they introduce a mechanism by which these things can be assessed impartially and with evidence to discuss? They could call it "Due Process", or similar?
There's an app for that!
I see. So "The
internetapp is never wrong" is policy.Computer says no.
That's what she gets for being brown, this is really on her