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PBS is "the propaganda"?

HumanOnEarth @lemmy.ca - 19hr

I can barely even understand how anyone could think PBS is propaganda.

None of these chuds have ever watched a minute of PBS in their adult lives.

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UnspecificGravity - 18hr

Its a mistake to believe that this is an irrational or ignorant decision. These guys KNOW what the message of PBS is and there is a reason they don't want it to get to kids. They are making child soldiers and they don't want people giving them inconvenient values.

You guys are telling jokes while the other side is building an army. Maybe start taking this shit seriously.

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WizardofFrobozz @lemmy.ca - 17hr

100%. American liberals really do think this is just more of the same old Bush-era GOP misbehavior and are responding to it as such.

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Brave Little Hitachi Wand - 14hr

The thing is, if you're an American and you know how hard it is to simply vote out fascism, and if you understand how close America's empire is to the brink of disaster, you're either running or, lacking the means, mentally preparing yourself for a struggle to survive.

I pulled up stakes and left, but I still have to keep my sense of humour to stay sane.

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WizardofFrobozz @lemmy.ca - 13hr

BIG lol at anyone who thinks voting is the way to fix this.

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Brave Little Hitachi Wand - 12hr

Yeah, alright. Big lol at anyone who thinks knowing history magically makes you safe, while we're at it.

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Clent @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 8hr

lol. Everyone knows the only way to fix this is to troll liberals on Lemmy. lol.

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troglodytis @lemmy.world - 16hr

Yep. Yeah. Yes.

It's over.

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psycotica0 @lemmy.ca - 17hr

It's really easy! If you imagine that a black person and a white person could never be friends or spend positive time together, and then you saw a show that had them together, you might conclude the show is trying to convince you something is okay that you know is not. Propaganda.

If you imagine that a gay person is inherently wrong, and that bad things deserve to happen to them as punishment for their choices, and then you watch a show where a gay person is happy and normal and respected, you might conclude the show is trying to push an idea on you that you already know isn't right. Propaganda.

It's sad, and dangerous, but it's not complicated.

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mfed1122 @discuss.tchncs.de - 14hr

Thank you so much for commenting this. It's so annoying to see both the original screenshot and so many exchanges in here either playing dumb or actually being dumb about WHY they see PBS as propaganda. As always, people are more interested in appearing to preach epic gotcha wins to their own choir, while totally sweeping the real meaning of their opponent's statement under the rug. It's not being nice and learning to read that the right takes issue with PBS over, it's race, gender, and sexuality issues. But rather than respond to them on that more difficult ground, the masses choose to go for pointless low hanging fruit like "lol so you hate kindness????", and then congratulate the OP for owning the right, meanwhile the right is totally unphased by that completely off-topic mark-missing response. And then we wonder why the right sees us as a bunch of circlejerky bubble-world morons.

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balsoft @lemmy.ml - 9hr

Tolerance for others and their inherent traits is basic kindness. So yes, if you are not OK with black/queer people than you hate kindness.

And then we wonder why the right sees us as a bunch of circlejerky bubble-world morons.

Modern western "right wing" are outright fascists. We should not concern ourselves with what they think of us, except if it helps us fight their ideology. You won't be able to convince them with logical arguments of any quality, because they hold their position not because of logic but because of repeated propaganda that leverages the inherent human fear of unknown and different.

The most realistic way I see of things changing is as follows:

Capitalism will inevitably squeeze those people harder and harder, until they can't afford groceries and rent, despite millions of immigrants being deported and woke TV programs being banned. At that point they might question their ideology and yearn for change, and the left needs to be ready. If the western left once again squanders its potential and do-nothing neolibs (a-la Biden or Harris) get back in office, you can kiss your civil rights goodbye, because they won't fix the fundamental issues with the system and the voters will swing to fascists again the next cycle.

What needs to happen is that at least demsocs like Mamdani getting into offices all over the country. If that happens, they might at least do something to fight against capitalism and unlimited extraction of surplus labor, and improve material conditions for people, at least a little bit. If that happens under left's watch, people will associate the ideology with good material conditions, and will appreciate its other tenets (human rights, equality, tolerance, inclusion) more. Whether this leads to vaguely left-wing rule for a while, a-la FDR, or an actual outright revolution is of course questionable, but it's the only way forward for the US IMHO.

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Koarnine - 8hr

Y'all need to make a third party that represents the left, because Democrats never will.

Start with local elections and build your rep, you need a genuine left leaning pressure on the politics of your nation - showing that people will show up to vote for real left leaning values is the way.

The DSA should become a party of their own right.

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skulblaka - 5hr

We've had third parties of various types for centuries, it has become a financial impossibility for third parties to succeed in modern America.

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bear - 4hr

With Citizens United and hundreds of new billionaires, I think it's possible.

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Zorcron - 9hr

I completely understand your argument and I agree, but I would also say that acceptance of other races, sexualities, nationalities, etc is , at its core, just kindness, and that MAGA generally dislikes kindness toward anyone who isn’t cis, white, and American, or a token minority who agrees with their policies. That’s kind of one of the main problems with MAGA.

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TheOneCurly - 8hr

They don't even like kindness for themselves. They like rigid obedience. The instant anyone steps out of line they get beaten into submission or disowned.

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HumanOnEarth @lemmy.ca - 16hr

Very well put

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technocrit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

If you imagine a channel that endorses genocide... Oh wait no need to imagine.

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zbyte64 @awful.systems - 2hr

I must have missed that episode of Sesame Street. Could you link to it?

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Macchi_the_Slime - 16hr

Reality has a well known Liberal bias.

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pewgar_seemsimandroid - 10hr

which type of liberal? north American or RoTW?

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Macchi_the_Slime - 31min

It's just a reference to Colbert talking at the White House Correspondents dinner in '06 lampooning how conservatives seem to constantly have beef with objective reality. Calm down kid.

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Asafum @feddit.nl - 18hr

I can barely even understand how anyone could think PBS is propaganda.

Propaganda, that's how.

The Reich wing is infuriatingly effective at using projection as both a defensive measure and an assault.

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CerineArkweaver @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 18hr

I have an uncle who thinks anything to the left of NewsMax or OAN is "too liberal" (yes that includes Fox News). The indoctrination is real

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Lost_My_Mind @lemmy.world - 18hr

Or maybe they did. Seaseme Street might go over the heads of maga voters. And Mr Rodgers messages of inclusion and empathy are far out of their mental grasp.

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Davel23 - 18hr

It's Arkansas, what did you expect?

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Lemmyoutofhere @lemmy.ca - 17hr

Maybe if PBS ran a show on how to hook up with your cousin?

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jubilationtcornpone @sh.itjust.works - 14hr

That's how we got into this mess to begin with.

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StinkyFingerItchyBum - 16hr

"Think"

Arkansas

Heh.

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PenguinMage @lemmy.world - 18hr

If it's not their propaganda they think it is the other way... instead of ya know... just facts or basic learning.

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Rozaŭtuno - 15hr

Well, technically, anything that spreads a message or ideal is propaganda. If you think something isn't propaganda, it's because you already agree with the message.

It's just that in this case the message is "Be kind. Science is cool" and only a christofascist would think that is a bad thing to spread.

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technocrit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

TBH their support of genocide is far from kind or cool.

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Butterpaderp @lemmy.world - 2hr

I disagree, a message or ideal by itself isn't technically propaganda, it's how they're communicated to a broader audience and whether or not that communication is trying to influence someone's opinion.

For example, a show based off peer-reviewed science is fact-based, not emotion-based, therefore I wouldn't consider bill nye the science guy to be propaganda. However, you could argue that bill is trying to get you to think science is cool, therefore his way of communicating is propaganda

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Boomer Humor Doomergod - 17hr

Most people are idiots and the bell curve isn’t as wide as you’d like to think.

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sp3ctr4l @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 9hr

And there's always the George Carlin perspective:


Think of how stupid the average person you meet is.

Now, realize that half the population is dumber than that.


To give some uh, anchoring to this...

The average American adult... a d u l t ...

Is currently as literate as a 5th to 6th grader.

In conclusion; Yes, it is objectively correct to state and believe that most people are idiots, at least if we're talking about the US.

... and Arkansas... is pretty damned close to winning the idiot contest.

"Powerful stupid", you might say.

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technocrit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

How many children upvote this nonsense?

PBS is literally overt propaganda. The amazing thing is how people don't see it. We're so immersed in the hegemonic narrative, the droning voice of the state that we can't recognize the obvious overwhelming bias.

The most glaring recent example is their complete endorsement of the genocide in Palestine. But that's just the tip of the iceberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

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Macchi_the_Slime - 26min

How many times you gonna link that same Wikipedia article in this one thread lmao.

Someone didn't watch enough Sesame Street as a child xD

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HumanOnEarth @lemmy.ca - 10min

Ah yes the hegemonic narrative of..... the scientific method. The droning voice of....kindness.

What a hellscape.

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Scrubbles - 19hr

Ah yes Arkansas, the beacon of education. Happy to keep their citizens illiterate and ignorant.

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merc @sh.itjust.works - 15hr

Arkansas ranks 45 out of 51 states in education.

So, let's say the kid gets up at 6am. PBS listings:

  • 6:00 -- Pinkalicious and Peterriffic: Gingerbread House; Christmas Tree Trouble: "Pinkalicious" and Peter build a gingerbread house that attracts Sarafina, a holiday fairy
  • 6:30 -- Curious George: George Digs Worms; Everything Old Is New Again: George's entry into the world of worm racing faces a giant hurdle when Mr Quint picks up the wrong lunch box; George learns about recycling, and sets out to recycle everything he possibly can.
  • 7:00 -- Sesame Street: Elmo's Morning Routine: Elmo and Abby help Crystal the Ball invent a morning routine.
  • 7:30 -- Milo: Milo the Decorator: Otto is needed elsewhere, so Milo and pals set to work painting Dame Delores's ballroom.
  • 8:00 -- Work it Out Wombats: Zadie's Horrible Haircut; Zadie's Horrible Haircut; A Day Out With Babby: SUPER anxious about going to the barber, Zadie decides to cut her own hair. To fix this disaster, Zadie needs to face her fear of getting a haircut. When it comes to playdates, Malik discovers that smart devices have their limitations.

Golly such offensive content. The kids might actually learn something on Sesame Street!

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Scrubbles - 15hr

All I see is pure unadulterated brainwashing sir. Now if you'll please leave us all alone we'd like to continue watching Fox.

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merc @sh.itjust.works - 15hr

You'd think that Fox News would at least be trying to take advantage of this by rolling out something like "Fox News Jr." with angry propaganda for 8 year-olds. But, I guess they're just happy to see kids forced to watch any for-profit TV channel.

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brown567 @sh.itjust.works - 9hr

My guess is it'd be some sort of praegeru-kids

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technocrit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

I guess PBS hasn't been working then. Maybe it's their anti-science ideology in favor of capitalism, genocide, etc.

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Toga @lemmy.world - 4hr

This is how I know you are in this thread talking out of your ass and overly generalizing PBS; NOVA has existed since 1974, has 52 seasons, and over 1,000 episodes, yet somehow PBS is anti-science. Are there people who work and produce things in PBS that are as you say? Probably, would be extremely unlikely there would not be a single person who isn't. Is PBS completely anti-science? No. Rather than linking to the Civil Religion wikipedia and saying not much else and blaming people for not seeing it, perhaps it would benefit your argument to bring actual evidence to show that PBS as an entity is what you say.

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Tiger666 @lemmy.ca - 7hr

That book should be the US constitution.

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alekwithak @lemmy.world - 6hr

It looks like it is.

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technocrit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

Yeah, I would love to see an eagle tear up that enslaver pact.

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Marinatorres @lemmy.world - 7hr

PBS isn’t perfect, but it’s publicly accountable and transparent—more than most for-profit networks.

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Bakkoda - 4hr

The exact reason it has to go. Too much oversight, not enough pandering and way way too much science.

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DagwoodIII - 11hr

Edit = This will in fact cost PBS a small amount of money.

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technocrit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

PBS is already funded.

By whom? Where do you think the propaganda comes from?

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zjti8eit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

It's brought to you by viewers like you. If you watched PBS, especially during pledge drive time, you would know today about 75% of funding comes from small donors.

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DandomRude @lemmy.world - 15hr

The fact that American taxpayers actually finance right-wing indoctrination to a considerable extent seems to be overlooked here, which is probably due to this very right-wing indoctrination.

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thefluffiest @feddit.nl - 17hr

Kind and smart are just not MAGAt values

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niktemadur @lemmy.world - 11hr

bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe, WhY bOtHeR vOTiNg

Then chalk this item up with the million-and-one things that are completely ignored by the spiritually purified lazy mediocre idiots who passively let all this happen, this death by a million-and-one cuts, since Reagan.

But boy oh boy by golly, they sure do feel they are doing their part by chuckling at political zingers online, after the damage is done, because they let the mouth-breathers through the front door and gave them the goddamned keys to the house and car in the first place.

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Socialism_Everyday @reddthat.com - 11hr

Keep pretending that the Democrats lost the election because of a conspiracy of online users further to the left of you, and not because they ran a botched campaign with an unelectable candidate.

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yyyesss? - 9hr

there can be two things

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Socialism_Everyday @reddthat.com - 9hr

Ok, now quantify how many terminally online young leftists who didn't vote dem there are in the USA

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MiddleAgesModem @lemmy.world - 6hr

Keep pretending like "Abandon Harris" and shit like that wasn't pushed relentlessly offline by "Bernie Bro" idiots.

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ultranaut @lemmy.world - 5hr

It was mostly different elements of the Left, not really "Bernie Bros". Bernie himself was out there campaigning for Biden and Harris the entire time. I think we need a better name for the Left factions who supported Trump in the election, misidentifying them is only going to create more divisiveness. Those "Bernie Bros" who listened to Bernie during the campaign and did what they could to stop Republicans don't deserve to be lumped in with the dumbasses who actually helped them win.

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MiddleAgesModem @lemmy.world - 7hr

I would love to know why Biden was electable but Harris was not.

Care to explain?

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zjti8eit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

I can only speak from my experience, but my mom voted Trump, Biden, Trump.

She voted for first Trump because her church told her you can't vote for Clinton because she's not a Christian, and she's always been apprehensive of Women in leadership.

She voted Biden because Trump's actions clearly showed he wasn't Christian.

She would have voted for Biden again. She struggled whether Trump or Harris were lesser evil. Too many Harris ads taking about reproductive rights she just couldn't force herself to vote Harris.

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drhodl @lemmy.world - 2hr

Your mom sounds like a weak person, unable to think for herself, and who betrayed her own gender. Honestly, I'd be too embarrassed to comment on her, if she was my mom.......

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edahs @lemmy.world - 6hr

I'm sure with furrowed brow they would respond in a caveman like tone "Biden man, Harris girl. Girl bad, man goooood."

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The Quuuuuill - 5hr

the last three presidential elections seem to form a strong message: america is a nation of misogyny. hillary? unelectable. joe? record turnout. kamala? unelectable. their politics? nearly identical.

obviously there's more factors. personally i voted for Elizabeth Warren in 2020 and thought joe biden was the very worst candidate in the 2020 primaries. but the thing to understand about republican voters is that their engagement is that of a sports team (and there are democratic sports team voters). they will show up everytime to vote for their guy even if they hate him. the democrats have to counter this as an entire coalition. the candidates need to inspire turnout, and the voters have to turnout, otherwise the ratchet effect will continue forever

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melsaskca @lemmy.ca - 9hr

I desperately wanted Kamala to win but goddammit I agree with you.

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The Quuuuuill - 8hr

the republican candidate in 2016, 2020, and 2024 got the same number of votes just about every single time. the democrat candidate received nearly equal votes in 2016 and 2024. people were willing to turnout in mass numbers in 2020 to keep trump out of office in 2020 but not in 2024.

while i agree Kamala Harris could have gotten more votes shifting left, i also can't help but be frustrated about those ~10 million voters who were willing to vote for Joe Biden in 2020 but not Kamala Harris in 2024. what most leftist groups were advocating for was to vote for Harris and then commit the energy we were going to have to commit organizing to protest Trump protesting Kamala.

the thing is we saw big protests during the 46th presidency. the motivation was there. but now it's harder to coagulate and maintain those movements with ICE and Homeland security going full gestapo as opposed to before when they were 80% gestapo.

the big thing though is we're here now. i'd rather not relitigate the past, just maintain a critical analysis of it so future generations don't repeat it. what's more important is making sure there's a world for future generations to inherit.

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surewhynotlem @lemmy.world - 9hr

unelectable candidate.

It's a FPTP system. She literally just had to be not worse than Trump. She was fine.

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Ensign_Crab @lemmy.world - 8hr

trump's base was excited. hers was alienated.

centrists think that that "marginally better than trump. sometimes. if we have to." is sufficient to win. It's not.

Fix your shit and you'll win.

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Socialism_Everyday @reddthat.com - 9hr

If she was fine, why did she lose the elections TO TRUMP

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Longylonglong @sh.itjust.works - 9hr

Have you seen the first row of inaguration?

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Socialism_Everyday @reddthat.com - 9hr

Was it full of terminally online lefties?

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surewhynotlem @lemmy.world - 5hr

Because she was only fine, and humans are illogical idiots who need to be externally motivated to act in their own self interest.

I know I sound jaded, but it's beyond stupid that he won. A vote for a literal corpse would've made more logical sense for anyone who isn't far right wing. But fuck critical thinking, I guess.

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explodicle @sh.itjust.works - 2hr

FPTP: obvious on the internet, unknowable to candidates

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MiddleAgesModem @lemmy.world - 7hr

How the FUCK was Harris an "unelectable candidate"?

Keep pretending that your "both sides" bullshit was 1.) limited to the internet and 2.) didn't have a massive impact on lowering voter participation.

You're STILL FUCKING DOING IT, DUMBASS. You are saying, right here and now, that Harris was worse than Trump. HOW? For ONCE, fucking explain yourself.

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Socialism_Everyday @reddthat.com - 4hr

How the FUCK was Harris an "unelectable candidate"?

She lost the election, have you heard of that?

You are saying, right here and now, that Harris was worse than Trump

No, I'm saying she was less electable. She decided to run a campaign of satisfying her Zionist overlords instead of gaining popular vote, she got the results she wanted. The Democrats would rather lose the elections than present an antizionist candidate

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drhodl @lemmy.world - 2hr

An "unelectable candidate" is not an obstacle. I mean, look at what the GOP ran...!

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Socialism_Everyday @reddthat.com - 2hr

Trump won the maximum number of elections winnable in the USA, what makes him unelectable?

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drhodl @lemmy.world - 1hr

Have you actually had your eyes open for the last 10 years?

FFS a convicted rapist and 32 time fraudster, probable pedophile, who's using the office of POTUS to enrich himself and his awful family? A man whose negligence and mismanagement in his first term lost over a million extra lives to Covid. A man who betrayed all undercover CIA assets to Russia. A man who betrayed long time allies, the Kurds, to a genocide by Turkey. Who betrayed all the Afghans who helped America, to the Taliban. A man who is bombing small boats in the Caribbean, and double tapping any survivors. A man who is selling out Ukraine to please his owner, Putin, and of course for his own personal profit, and who has already done the same to the Palestinians.... A man who is disappearing American citizens, and other LEGAL visitors off the streets, to third world prisons.... Even though he "won" ( and I believe Elmo committed some fraud to help him win a second term...), by every metric and standard that exists outside of tRump America, the man is unelectable. I don't even think he's human, tbh...he's some sort of lizard creature with no normal human qualities. The fact that you even ask such a question tells me all I need to know about YOU, magat !

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Socialism_Everyday @reddthat.com - 43min

You can make the list as big as you want. Trump is a pedophile and a fascist, and I'm a European communist who hates his fucking guts. But the measure of electability is NOT being a good, moral person, it's winning elections. I also hate Obama for his warcrimes, but he was electable as fuck.

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MiddleAgesModem @lemmy.world - 7hr

bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe, WhY bOtHeR vOTiNg

Seriously, the fake "progressives" who refused to vote are the most detestable group in this mess. At least Trump supporters are brainwashed idiots. Fake "progressives" knew better and STILL helped Trump come back to power.

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zbyte64 @awful.systems - 2hr

Blaming voters for how they vote is like blaming the weather when the forecaster got it wrong. We handed Harris an unprecedented amount of money and attention but her team made the wrong predictions on what would get people to vote. We can continue to blame misinformed voters and keep losing or we can learn a different lesson.

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protist @mander.xyz - 18hr

How does the state have the power to prevent PBS from being broadcast? PBS is broadcast on affiliate stations that aren't owned by the state (usually)

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PenguinMage @lemmy.world - 18hr

AETN was the affiliate there, they cut ties. State is taking credit cause racing to the bottom is Arkansas to a T

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bitjunkie @lemmy.world - 8hr

When your entire platform is "dumb people will let us do whatever the hell we want", reading and education become your enemies.

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BurnedDonutHole @ani.social - 11hr

Wait a minute! This is the most American thing I've ever heard of... So, you're telling me Americans fund TV channels but they complain and talk shit when someone talk about free healthcare?

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Turret3857 @infosec.pub - 11hr

we also fund public libraries and schools. Im not sure why healthcare is what gets people. (i am it's the constant propaganda and people want to defund libraries and schools)

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lukaro @lemmy.zip - 6hr

Had a magat once tell me how unfair public libraries are because bezos can't compete with free.

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Turret3857 @infosec.pub - 6hr

Unsurprising. Its been said that if Libraries werent such an accepted norm that they would be seen as socialist/communist propaganda today. I dont think that it would be far off from the truth. I'm thankful we have libraries.

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BurnedDonutHole @ani.social - 10hr

Could it be because it's one of the necessary things so that you can live your life without worrying if you can afford to go to doctor or get healthcare when you need it? You can live without the education and libraries but you can't live without your health don't you think? This being said, I'm not belittling the importance of free education and libraries. However in this example it's obvious that the money spent to fund a private TV channel because of it's programs and content could have been used to better the lives of people. Somehow Americans who talk shit about basic human rights such as healthcare and free education are very relaxed about spending money for useless things such as private TV channels, but hey who am I to judge you guys. I'm not an American and you do you.

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Turret3857 @infosec.pub - 9hr

Im not sure what youre saying here. I think that healthcare should be government funded, and at the same time I dont believe PBS (The Public Broadcasting Service TV channel, government funded and nonprofit, not private) should be defunded. They've created countless television series that have aided education and acceptance of other cultures.

I think that instead of taking from the US public infrastructure (Like PBS or Schools) to fund healthcare, we should be taxing corporations and billionaires more. Thats what most of the american left (the actual left not the practical right wing democrats) believe.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is, but it reads as if you believe there are Americans who are anti-socialized healthcare, but also pro-PBS. I have never seen that opinion held by any american.

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BurnedDonutHole @ani.social - 7hr

Really? You were basically saying the TV channel is as important as the healthcare and asking you don't get it why people are stuck at health care. And I told you why healthcare beats the TV channel! Which part of my argument you are having a hard time understanding? Let me ask you this way: which one you would be your priority if I asked you? Health care or the TV channel? Considering this and all the bullshit Americans talk about the free healthcare it's surprising to see you (Americans) pay for a TV channel for a foreigner like me. So, I hope I made my point clear for you to get it.

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Turret3857 @infosec.pub - 6hr

Okay so I'm assuming you're ESL here because you've completely misinterpreted my original response. I was pointing out that the US also funds institutions in addition to PBS such as schools and libraries, yet our republican population gets up and arms about healthcare. It was adding your your argument. It was agreeing with your sentiment. A complimentary piece of information to back your argument.

The part I'm not understanding is why you seemed to be attacking me for agreeing with you.

If I had to choose between PBS and national healthcare, I would prefer to have national healthcare. However, this argument only works in a black and white world, a binary world, or an extremists only world. We do not live in that. You can have both. Your argument at that point is a what-about-ism that you really did not have to bring up.

I never said PBS is "as important as healthcare" and my statement about why people are "stuck on healthcare" was saying "I do not understand why U.S. Americans (specifically, Republicans) are so quick to dismiss national healthcare as an option when we have other public services in the U.S that function without a problem."

Also, I'm not sure what your tirade at the end of "pay for a TV channel for a foreigner" is all about. PBS's primary focus and audience is on the US. Other countries can consume the content sure, but any American could watch say, the BBC. Just because an American watches the BBC does not mean that American is somehow siphoning money off of the UK.

So again, I have no idea why you're attacking me when I am literally agreeing with your statement.

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BurnedDonutHole @ani.social - 6hr

Okay. Let's go over what you said and what I said. In your original response you said the following: "we also fund public libraries and schools. Im not sure why healthcare is what gets people. (i am it's the constant propaganda and people want to defund libraries and schools)" I've took this as you don't understand why people like me (foreigners) are always talking about the healthcare, because I don't understand what you're trying to say afterwards. Constant propaganda about what? Healthcare? Libraries?...

I said what I said healthcare being more important than the TV channel and libraries and you responded with "Im not sure what you're saying here. I think that healthcare should be government funded, and at the same time I don't believe PBS (The Public Broadcasting Service TV channel, government funded and nonprofit, not private) should be defunded. They've created countless television series that have aided education and acceptance of other cultures.

I think that instead of taking from the US public infrastructure (Like PBS or Schools) to fund healthcare, we should be taxing corporations and billionaires more. Thats what most of the american left (the actual left not the practical right wing democrats) believe.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is, but it reads as if you believe there are Americans who are anti-socialized healthcare, but also pro-PBS. I have never seen that opinion held by any american."

So, basically you are the one who misunderstood what I'm saying and responded to me that you don't get what I'm saying. So, I tried to make it more simple by saying basically in my opinion health care is more important than a TV channel. And it should be for anyone. Which it means as I said in my original reply funds should be used to better people's lives instead of funding TV channels.

Now here we are you're blaming me that I'm trying to fight with you and I don't understand.

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Turret3857 @infosec.pub - 5hr

Let me dismantle this whole thing for you

I've took this as you don't understand why people like me (foreigners) are always talking about the healthcare, because I dont understand what you're trying to say afterwards.

Propaganda about socialized healthcare being bad, pushed by American Republicans. The rest of what you then go on to say is null and void due to this misunderstanding. You took something that was meant to be supportive of you and made it combative.

It really is not my fault you decided to start attacking me instead of simply asking me to clarify. It also isn't my fault that when I clarified in the two following responses what I was saying, that you further misinterpreted what I said.

I never misunderstood your point, from the start I knew that you were pro social healthcare. I was and have been agreeing this whole time. I've been trying to say that to you this whole time. I AM AGREEING WITH YOU.

Based on the upvote/downvote ratio people very clearly seemed to have understood my first response to you, and been confused by your response to me. I dont know what else you want me to say here.

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captainlezbian @lemmy.world - 8hr

PBS is a remnant of an older America that attempted to improve things. It's mostly funded by donations just like national public radio. Both are highly politicized because they have a history of apolitical pursuit of truth and that made them boogeymen of the right. The right has also done some capture of them because of that (much like the bbc).

Also universal healthcare is something we're actively and intensively propagandized against. Despite that it's still more popular than our politicians would have you believe.

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BurnedDonutHole @ani.social - 7hr

Thank you for the information and explanation.

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sp3ctr4l @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 9hr

I hope PBS then starts teaching kids that it's pronounced Ar-Kansas, not Ar-kin-saw.

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ReluctantMuskrat @lemmy.world - 7hr

I always wondered about this actually. Why the two radically different pronunciations of "Kansas" between the two states so close to each other.

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MiddleAgesModem @lemmy.world - 7hr

Also wondered that. Looks like it was based on how the French transliterated the names of native groups and then how Americans ended up pronouncing each one.

Kansas comes for the native group called the Kansa. The French added a consonant on the end, which is not pronounced in French. Seems the French added that final "s" to indicate a people rather than individual, like les Illinois. So in French, Kansas meant "the Kansa people" and was pronounced "Kansa".

In English, that final "s" is pronounced, so we have Kansas.

Arkansas originated with the French transliteration of the Quapaw native group. The Quapaw and Kansa were originally part of a larger group that split when it migrated down the Ohio and Mississippi rivers, so neighboring tribes referred to them all as "akansa" or "arkansa".

So the French called the Quapaw branch "Arkansas" without pronouncing that final "s". This time, however, when English speakers predominated, they retained something closer to the French pronunciation, leaving us with "Ar-kan-saw".

Apparently it kind of went back and forth for a bit. In 1881, the Arkansas state legislature put an end to the debate, declaring "Ar-can-saw" the official pronunciation, my guess would be to differentiate them from Kansas.

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vaultdweller013 @sh.itjust.works - 6hr

Part of the reason it the French pronunciation survived in Arkansas is probably because there used to be a decent French and French Creole speaking populations in the region. Hell the Ozarks were largely colonized by the Scots-Irish and if my Irish-Louisianian ancestor is anything to go by then they may have adopted French along side English and possibly Gaelic. Hell my ancestor spoke English, Gaelic, and French natively since his father was Irish and his mother was French Louisianan.

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ReluctantMuskrat @lemmy.world - 5hr

Thanks for sharing. That makes perfect sense as well.

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ellieficent @reddthat.com - 18hr

Its such an insignificant amount of money to fund PBS. It's mostly paid by donations and sponsors anyway. If they really wanted to save taxpayers money they should look elsewhere first... but thats a harder question that might rustle a few of their own feathers. Not only do they try to take the easiest route that doesn't involve their side, but they want to make people think it's a win. PBS isnt greasing their palms, so out it goes.

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Tollana1234567 @lemmy.today - 16hr

PBS provide contrary content to right wing, that is why its a threat to them.

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Lemmyoutofhere @lemmy.ca - 17hr

It has nothing to do with money.

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rumba @lemmy.zip - 7hr

They're trying to catch up to the shittiest educational states around them in a race to the bottom.

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bitwolf - 9hr

I thought PBS was off the air and moved to YouTube already

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Overshoot2648 @lemmy.today - 8hr

They still have online and broadcast service.

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frostysauce @lemmy.world - 2hr

Why in the world would you have thought that PBS is no longer broadcast over the air?

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Evotech @lemmy.world - 7hr

What is Americas "public tv" without pbs?

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The Quuuuuill - 7hr

i think this poster thinks "public television" means "available for viewing by the public" rather than "available for use by the public"

we have become a nation of consumers. not of makers, maintainers, or even owners. just consumers. the public broadcast system is in many places the only network where you can see a documentary made by your neighbor. but people who think like this, like pbs and voa are the same, would never think to make a documentary, or to learn more about their local community. these people really buy into the "there is no two americas, there is just america" propaganda. the reality is that there are 13 american nations based on cultural identity, and within those, another 3 based on access to services thanks to class based identity, meaning the 2 americas line of thinking introduced by jimmy carter could get most people closer to understanding the empire we live in, but there's really 39+ americas.

cutting funding to pbs means that there will be no exploration anymore of Arkansas' identity. they will now be subsumed into a national identity that does not care about Arkansas. no one will be able to speak truths about what it means to be from the farthest reaches of greater Appalachia to people living in new york city.

these people think they've told the coastal elites to shove it, but they've silenced only themselves, and have chosen to only consume content made by and for those very coastal elite. they have willfully chosen to enter into their own modern dark age. and they celebrate it, gleefully, because they haven't the education to understand what it is they've done

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AppleTea @lemmy.zip - 3hr

I'm curious, is there a book where I can read about this breakdown of national identities?

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The Quuuuuill - 3hr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Nations

for the record. i think this author misses the mark in some places and that further analysis requires more understanding of minority identities and indigenous erasure. but the core premise is sound and brings something to the table we should consider more

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AA5B @lemmy.world - 3hr

They haven’t just silenced themselves but us coastal elites are suckers for donating money to underserved services - they’re cutting off an income source

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buddascrayon @lemmy.world - 7hr

I'm guessing it's gonna be something out of the Prager propaganda machine.

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UltraMagnus0001 - 6hr

Education is the enemy of control. How will double speaker work

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MiddleAgesModem @lemmy.world - 7hr

PBS is "propaganda" to people who think objective reality is "propaganda".

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explodicle @sh.itjust.works - 2hr

Why do you think PBS is propaganda? The link doesn't explain your reasoning.

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drhodl @lemmy.world - 2hr

That guy is a ruzzian troll orc....

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Johnmannesca @lemmy.world - 3min

Next time you watch This Old House, pay close attention to that there's far less consumer advertisements, just mere sponsors at the end of the content typically. Likewise, even when reviewing beverages like teas and coffees in Cook's Country, the idea of being able to limit partiality is clearly drawn and established. We (the American people) might not be as attuned to whatever specific propagandas there are towards the American dream, although it's far less than the advertisement slop that is the rest of television.

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Zatore - 4hr

Glad I moved away from Arkansas

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captainlezbian @lemmy.world - 8hr

Idk PBS often includes left of American center content like talking about science

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DarkFuture @lemmy.world - 2hr

When the orange rapist dies these freaks are going to keep dragging this nation down for the remainder of our lives.

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Madzielle @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 8hr

I was working closely with a guy once, used to be a marine, really smart guy, he was an excellent, respectful worker.

Until the day he told me college was just indoctrination. I lost all respect for him that day. I don't understand how one could think this.

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bitjunkie @lemmy.world - 8hr

People who think this didn't go, so it's a black box. Person goes in ignorant like them, comes out with more left-leaning views. Clearly it's a lefty training camp. The missing variable for them is that exposure to diversity and exercising critical thinking ability naturally lead people to tolerance and a better understanding of the world around them. Reality has a leftwing bias etc etc

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technocrit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

People who think this didn’t go,

False. Advanced degree here. College is almost pure indoctrination into hegemony, capitalism, etc. That indoctrination and "socialization" is far more important than anything that's "taught".

TBH the further that you go in school, the more it becomes obvious.

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possumparty - 2hr

Jesus you've commented like 20 times on this post and every single comment is more insufferable than the last.

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drhodl @lemmy.world - 2hr

Nobody counts ruzzian colleges, Yuri. Your "degrees" are worthless, like you.

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The Quuuuuill - 11min

your college education was a scam then. college is what awakened me to that poverty is enforced and capitalism is a system of oppression.

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technocrit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

I don’t understand how one could think this.

Have you ever been to college?

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explodicle @sh.itjust.works - 2hr

This is literally amazing. Where did you go to college?

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drhodl @lemmy.world - 2hr

He went to a "college" in Ruzzia. Advanced Bullshitology, which is how he qualified for his job in a data center in St Petersburg. This particular orc comments more than most because he confuses quantity with quality, due to his poor understanding of English, and also because the other troll orcs don't like him or invite him to morning breakfast vodka's.

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frostysauce @lemmy.world - 2hr

Your mom went to college.

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felixwhynot @lemmy.world - 15hr

L + ratio

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The Quuuuuill - 12hr

i've seen this a couple places, but what does it mean? i know what it means to be ratioed, but not l+ratioed

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Turret3857 @infosec.pub - 11hr

L means loser

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ඞmir - 9hr

Taking a L[oss]

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zedgeist @lemmy.world - 6hr

:.|:;?

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The Quuuuuill - 8hr

so… it adds effectively nothing to being ratioed since that was already taking an L?

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criss_cross @lemmy.world - 1hr

Propaganda here means “facts and uncomfortable truths that interfere with OUR propaganda”

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MissJinx @lemmy.world - 7hr

Tbf if you don't know too much you can't be ashamed.

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😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈 - 11hr

Damnit! I knew Cookie Monster was just a corporate schill for Nabisco.

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StinkyFingerItchyBum - 17hr

A shithole state in a shithole country. No one will notice.

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dadarobot - 17hr

ill fucking notice, asshole

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StinkyFingerItchyBum - 16hr

No one cares about shithole people in no go zones. Enjoy the fruits of your labour. Hope your kids don't die in another school shooting or you go bankrupt due to illness.

Now shush while civilized people talk.

Edit: To any downvoters with dubious claims to civilization, feel free to fucking step up any time now.

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jaybone @lemmy.zip - 16hr

Some say the Germans were the first victims of the Nazis.

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StinkyFingerItchyBum - 16hr

Radiohead said "you do it to yourselves, you do, and that's why it really hurts."

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causepix @lemmy.ml - 8hr

Sorry comrade. That scratched lib seems to think they're not part of the problem and that turning against members of our own class is going to soothe anything more than their own bruised ego. I'm sure you know this, but they are wrong. A force that is powerful enough to take PBS off the air is surely one that's been powerful enough to make it seem that their people are not fighting back. Nevermind. Keep fighting ✊🏽

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jaybone @lemmy.zip - 16hr

What platform is this? Interesting username formats.

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mozingo - 16hr

Threads

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Debaser @reddthat.com - 43min

"Accuse your opponent of what you are guilty of yourself" as per Goebbels

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Ilixtze @lemmy.ml - 17hr

Stupid liberals ; The god emperor said learning shapes and colors is woke; I can squeeze the sharp edges shape into the roundy shape with a hammer if i want!

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lukaro @lemmy.zip - 6hr

I think they have a problem with is the be nice part.

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Mwa - 51min

thats like calling Wikipedia "Propaganda"

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Fedizen @lemmy.world - 52min

I'm aware of at least one MAGA person with a kid who is like 10 and can't read.

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Johnmannesca @lemmy.world - 11min

This is devastating to me, as an 8yo I was already reading medical textbooks. I can't imagine what it would be like to not have such foundational knowledge, but if I were to assume then it must be a rather dull and boring lifestyle, perhaps even dangerous whenever there's warning signs that don't use symbols.

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technocrit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

Grow up, y'all. PBS is overt state propaganda. It preaches the hegemonic ideology. It's completely 100% counter-revolutionary like any state/capitalist media. Literally pro-genocide, pro-imperialism, rampantly pro-capitalism, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

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Butterpaderp @lemmy.world - 4hr

if PBS was state propaganda...why would the state want to get rid of it?

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drhodl @lemmy.world - 2hr

Don't feed the ruzzian pig troll orc. It only encourages them.

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Butterpaderp @lemmy.world - 2hr

I like to stay informed on what the crazy people are thinking. Got christmas with my family coming up, gotta prepare mentally 😛

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drhodl @lemmy.world - 2hr

LOL. Train on the orcs, so that the crazies in the family are easier to cope with? Brilliant! I once knew a person with a foreign wife with limited English language skills. Every time a telemarketer called their house, he would hand the phone to his wife so she could practice her English.... Your approach has similar vibes, and I love it! You should teach a university class!

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technocrit @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 4hr

They're not getting rid of it. It will still be PBS and it will still be funded by the most privileged. And it will still be supported by the majority of the state. This is just fuel for the fundraising. Etc. It's just more theater to rile up the base and make people in this thread feel self-righteous.

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zaperberry @lemmy.ca - 4hr

Ahh, the overt propagandist takes made by the likes of shows such as zaboomafoo and sesame street. Soon we'll all be indoctrinated into thinking we're big bird.

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Leg @sh.itjust.works - 4hr

You're not making a very strong point. That link doesn't help illuminate things either. I'm assuming you're pointing at PBS saying something pro-America or teaching American history in a way that makes the country appear more sacred, which, sure, is probably true. But it'd help your point to specifically point those things out and actually state why they're harmful, instead of being vaguely hostile while defining civil religion. As an aside, there are significantly worse offenders than PBS when it comes to espousing America's civil religion.

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drhodl @lemmy.world - 2hr

To ruzzian orcs, making sense is not important. This particular orc is here to confuse people.

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BanaramaClamcrotch @lemmy.zip - 4hr

Idk I like it simply because it pisses conservatives off. The more conservative tears we, as a nation, can extract, the better. We need more PBS’s

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drhodl @lemmy.world - 2hr

Are these the new words you read on the whiteboard, in the data center in St Pete's? With your breakfast vodka's, Yuri?

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dellish @lemmy.world - 59min

Now now people let's calm down. Techocrit is obviously new to this and is unaware of how to seed subversion without outing himself in such a blatant manner. Let's all just agree that at least he tried, and say better luck next time.

Perhaps some subtlety, and some actually believable anacdotes are needed? Or perhaps you should start off with a dumber audience, like Facebook for example? Your handlers clearly didn't prepare you properly for this assignment.

Unfortunately, with all that said, I would not be doing my duty without also saying: Fuck off dickhead, try hopping into a bath with a live appliance.

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Mwa - 52min

is this sarcasm??

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ArmchairAce1944 @discuss.online - 28min

I never realized just how fast all this shit would collapse.

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NigelFrobisher @aussie.zone - 53sec

It’s like when you strip the bark from a tree and find it rotted from the inside.

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