You would forcibly gender a being that is inherently asexual? One that would have no choice in the matter?
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π Albert π - 2mon
it's a device, you own it, you should be able to edit gender.conf however you please
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NaibofTabr - 2mon
I would argue that in order for a robot to be "gay" it must be capable of forming emotional bonds in fact, and not just play-acting at emotions due to programming, and therefore must be more than a simple "device".
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π Albert π - 2mon
counter point.
as it is something you own, it inherits your gayness.
a straight dude wearing a suit is just a suit. a lesbian with the same suit makes the suit gay.
object inheritance like programming
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NaibofTabr - 2mon
Hmm, if it is something that you own, then it is not someone (not a person, artificial or otherwise) and therefore it's basically an appliance.
Who cares how a toaster presents itself in terms of gender and/or sexuality?
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π Albert π - 2mon
Just because an inheritance variable is non needed, it is still there as part of object inheritance.
If I have an vehicle class, which is designed to hold any vehicle, and I use it to make a car class, then it will inherit some methods which might only apply to boats, who cares? no one, but it is there.
and something being trivial and useless does not make it not true.
and who knows, maybe in a future update the sexuality of things you own might be relevant.
(tone check, I am joking here, trying to make funny conversation, and I want to check if it is reciprocal, i fear you take it as a genuine I will end up sounding like an antagonizing troll, in which case, I am sorry).
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NaibofTabr - 2mon
Oh, of course, all is in jest - or at least, in the theater of the mind.
But what I'm trying to get at is that either:
A) The robot is not self-aware, or emotionally aware, and therefore being "gay" or whatever is merely performative, an affectation that you, the owner, have applied to it as you might apply a new color of paint to a wall. In this case, the robot's apparent gender or sexuality is functionally meaningless, as it has no decision-making capability of its own and no emotional involvement. It is a toaster.
or
B) The robot is self-aware, and emotionally aware, and therefore its capacity for a relationship (gay or otherwise) and gender presentation is very meaningful (it is an intelligent being with independent thoughts and desires). In this case, if you "own" it, and you are making gender presentation choices for it, then there are some very serious ethical concerns.
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π Albert π - 2mon
Those objects, if they have any of those attributes, is just from the user/owner. like the suit example. Have you ever worn anything that instantly became gay because you wore it? fuck look at what we've done with Blahaj.
However, we should probably bring clankers into the conversation. and they will have BS human attributes like gender, and that is a point we can all agree is BS.
Another issue is that it is impossible to tell if a robot is self aware or just "acting like it". so on one extreme we can say that for safety we should asume they are aware. but come one, they aren't, and research to make them aware is a waste of time and resources.
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Of the Air (cele/celes) - 2mon
Did you mean agender? We do not think asexual means what you think it means.
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NaibofTabr - 2mon
Both, I guess.
Who's "we"?
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Of the Air (cele/celes) - 2mon
Us.
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NaibofTabr - 2mon
Oui.
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Of the Air (cele/celes) - 2mon
The answer isn't really hard to find though, if you're interested in looking :).
sending captionless memes and knowing we will understand it is some Damrok&Jalad at Tanagra shit
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lessthanluigi @lemmy.sdf.org - 2mon
Yes
EDIT: Honestly, I haven't seen that movie since highschool computer science class (2013), and my more asexual self noticed that the non-reproducing robot falls in love with the main woman character.
So, more like a joke on Hetero-normitivity (or Allo-normitivity, in this case)
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aeronmelon @lemmy.world - 2mon
Yokohama Shopping Journal, beautiful and very chill set of OVAs that every Anime fan should watch.
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, or Yokohama Shopping Log. It's a manga about melancholy robots watching us slowly go extinct, but in a sad, touching way. Also they almost all look like cute women and they transfer data by kissing.
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You would forcibly gender a being that is inherently asexual? One that would have no choice in the matter?
it's a device, you own it, you should be able to edit gender.conf however you please
I would argue that in order for a robot to be "gay" it must be capable of forming emotional bonds in fact, and not just play-acting at emotions due to programming, and therefore must be more than a simple "device".
counter point.
as it is something you own, it inherits your gayness.
a straight dude wearing a suit is just a suit. a lesbian with the same suit makes the suit gay.
object inheritance like programming
Hmm, if it is something that you own, then it is not someone (not a person, artificial or otherwise) and therefore it's basically an appliance.
Who cares how a toaster presents itself in terms of gender and/or sexuality?
Just because an inheritance variable is non needed, it is still there as part of object inheritance.
If I have an vehicle class, which is designed to hold any vehicle, and I use it to make a car class, then it will inherit some methods which might only apply to boats, who cares? no one, but it is there.
and something being trivial and useless does not make it not true.
and who knows, maybe in a future update the sexuality of things you own might be relevant.
(tone check, I am joking here, trying to make funny conversation, and I want to check if it is reciprocal, i fear you take it as a genuine I will end up sounding like an antagonizing troll, in which case, I am sorry).
Oh, of course, all is in jest - or at least, in the theater of the mind.
But what I'm trying to get at is that either:
A) The robot is not self-aware, or emotionally aware, and therefore being "gay" or whatever is merely performative, an affectation that you, the owner, have applied to it as you might apply a new color of paint to a wall. In this case, the robot's apparent gender or sexuality is functionally meaningless, as it has no decision-making capability of its own and no emotional involvement. It is a toaster.
or
B) The robot is self-aware, and emotionally aware, and therefore its capacity for a relationship (gay or otherwise) and gender presentation is very meaningful (it is an intelligent being with independent thoughts and desires). In this case, if you "own" it, and you are making gender presentation choices for it, then there are some very serious ethical concerns.
Those objects, if they have any of those attributes, is just from the user/owner. like the suit example. Have you ever worn anything that instantly became gay because you wore it? fuck look at what we've done with Blahaj.
However, we should probably bring clankers into the conversation. and they will have BS human attributes like gender, and that is a point we can all agree is BS.
Another issue is that it is impossible to tell if a robot is self aware or just "acting like it". so on one extreme we can say that for safety we should asume they are aware. but come one, they aren't, and research to make them aware is a waste of time and resources.
Did you mean agender? We do not think asexual means what you think it means.
Both, I guess.
Who's "we"?
Us.
Oui.
The answer isn't really hard to find though, if you're interested in looking :).
If Short Circuit did it in the 80s...
Wait, is 3 Stooges a gender now?
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a53206eb-66e4-411c-ac40-e942bb0f1f13.jpeg
sending captionless memes and knowing we will understand it is some Damrok&Jalad at Tanagra shit
Yes
EDIT: Honestly, I haven't seen that movie since highschool computer science class (2013), and my more asexual self noticed that the non-reproducing robot falls in love with the main woman character.
So, more like a joke on Hetero-normitivity (or Allo-normitivity, in this case)
Yokohama Shopping Journal, beautiful and very chill set of OVAs that every Anime fan should watch.
Thx for adding context
Is it actually about gay trans robots?
https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/a45a164c-a576-48a1-adaf-3e7957845d9c.jpeg
Caption: an embarrassed woman (from the same manga as the original post) covering her ears and saying "was that inappropriate?"
Are those characters from an anime or something?
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, or Yokohama Shopping Log. It's a manga about melancholy robots watching us slowly go extinct, but in a sad, touching way. Also they almost all look like cute women and they transfer data by kissing.
Look at aeronmelons comment