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Cast iron rule

moakley @lemmy.world - 3mon

Most of the care tips you see on cast iron are just superstition.

It's actually super easy to care for. You just scrub it with some salt and a boar bristle brush, dry it with a linen towel, then store it in a marble sepulchre facing North.

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Crashumbc @lemmy.world - 3mon

That better be magnetic north

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funkless_eck @sh.itjust.works - 3mon

if I don't have a sepulchre will a charnal house do?

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moakley @lemmy.world - 3mon

If you're not going to take this seriously, just get a Teflon pan.

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bigboismith @lemmy.world - 3mon

Absolutely fucking not

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guldukat - 3mon

My sepulchre hasn't been marble 100 percent of the time, I'll try harder

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zululove @lemmy.ml - 3mon

And all the ley lines intersect there

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Broadfern @lemmy.world - 3mon

…why are you not cleaning your cast iron pan?

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Godort - 3mon

It's old wisdom from way back when soap was made from lye.

That kind of soap is much harsher and can dissolve the seasoning, which is just a bunch of layers of polymerized oil that protects the metal from rust and gives it a glossy, almost non-stick coating.

Modern dish soap is nowhere near that harsh and is completely safe to use on a seasoned cast iron pan. It's just that your grandparents and great grandparents beat that lesson into their kids and it stuck.

Cast iron is fine to cook on, but I much prefer stainless steel. It's a bit harder to get the results you want, but it's way easier to maintain.

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SkyezOpen @lemmy.world - 3mon

They say high temp stainless basically becomes non stick. I just get stuff sticking then immediately burning and smoking out my kitchen.

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tyler @programming.dev - 3mon

Lower your temps. Stainless only sticks like that if you get it too hot.

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crumbguzzler5000 @feddit.org - 3mon

This but also stop trying to unstick stuff when its not finished cooking yet.

That was one thing i had to learn when moving to stainless, you need to wait for the protein to unstick itself. Which when you're so used to cooking on non-stick seems insane and risky.

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tyler @programming.dev - 3mon

Oh yeah good call good call. I’m so used to doing that with cast iron I didn’t even think about that. But yeah it’s harder with stainless for sure.

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Junkers_Klunker @feddit.dk - 3mon

Heat up the pan on medium setting and then apply oil, if it smokes it is too hot. And don’t use olive oil, use an oil with a reasonably high smoke point. And you need to use more oil/fat than you’d normally do on other (non-stick) pans.

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mushroomvoid - 3mon

Don't use extra virgin / virgin olive oil.* Regular olive oil has a higher smoke point.

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ngdev - 3mon

no, medium-ish temp.

stainless steel has pores that close at the right temp so food wont stick.

you need to practice it on your cooktop yourself to find out what setting. after its heated, drip a big drop of water on it and it should dance around and sizzle. too hot or too cold it will stay where it is in the pan. theres prob a video you can watch to see what the drop of water should look like

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Skyrmir @lemmy.world - 3mon

There's a good chance the dry detergent for a dishwasher can still strip the seasoning off cast iron. Especially generic brands. They're supposed to have buffers in them to prevent it, but every additive, and mixing time, adds cost.

Your typical hand dish soap is probably safe as long as you're not scrubbing with steel wool.

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PaintedSnail - 3mon

IIRC, powdered dish washing detergent is mildly abrasive, and it gets jetted around at relatively high speeds (compared to hand washing). That's also why it's bad for knives.

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Mose13 - 3mon

Godort’s grandma probably: come here Godort. Grandpa’s gotta beat you again for using soap on the cast iron pan

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BeeegScaaawyCripple - 3mon

at least Godort didn't use The Good Scissors

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Mose13 - 3mon

AHHHHH NOT THE GOOD SCISSORS

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Dale - 3mon

Thats interesting, I heard it was a smear campaign by marketing companies to sell Teflon pans.

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Zwiebel @feddit.org - 3mon

sEaSoNinG

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snoons @lemmy.ca - 2mon

polymerizing long-chain hydrocarbons onto a metal surface with excess heat creating a semi-hard, crystalline coating.

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PotatoesFall @discuss.tchncs.de - 3mon

If you consider the lifetime, it's the cheapest type of pan by far.

Also you can clean them stop spreading misinformation pls 😘

If it's too heavy for you there is stainless steel or carbon steel which also last but those aren't as cheap.

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captainlezbian @lemmy.world - 3mon

Yeah I've been using my mom's cast iron pan since she died like 7 years ago. Barring a level of fuck up I don't think I can manage it should last the lifetime of the person who inherits it from me

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grrgyle - 3mon

I've got a little pan that's on it's third lifetime now, and no idea what it originally cost, but guaranteed it was worth the price for a multigenerational product.

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Revan343 @lemmy.ca - 3mon

You basically have to drop them from a second story window to break them

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Korhaka @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

And you will break the floor too

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Revan343 @lemmy.ca - 3mon

Preferably the street

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tauisgod @lemmy.world - 3mon

I did warp one slightly one time by getting it super hot and allowing it to cool unevenly. I still have it and use it. It might not sit flat on a cooktop but it's just fine for camping.

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TheSlad @sh.itjust.works - 3mon

The lifetime is usually about 1 week. I can leave all my other pans soaking in the sink for a day without rusting.... I don't have the time or energy to do dishes every day.

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BussyCat @lemmy.world - 3mon

Don’t soak it if you aren’t going to wash it… like just leave it on the counter or if you want to really get ahead for it pour some salt in the pan and let that sit until you feel like cleaning it. Because you can use metal on it without damaging it it’s not even hard to clean.

Teflon pans are disposable with a limited life that releases toxins into your body which is bad

Stainless steel is much less non stick but can at least stand up to soaking

Carbon steel also shouldn’t be soaked

Copper is expensive and also has care requirements

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MrTolkinghoen @lemmy.zip - 3mon

This. Just leave it on your stove with oil / food in it til you're ready to clean it. Then use soap water and a chainmail scrubber. Be as aggressive as you want. The smoother it is the better. If you have a cheap lodge, taking the time to actually use a sander will bring it to high quality smooth like a more expensive finex or other.

After cleaning toss back on the stove on the heat for like 1 min to dry it out and you're good to go. Ideally toss a little oil in the pan after heating and use a paper towel to rub it around, but if you are in a rush don't even have to do that.

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captainlezbian @lemmy.world - 3mon

Honestly I just swipe it with a dish sponge until everything is off, rinse, then swipe it with a dish towel

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masterspace @lemmy.ca - 3mon

Lol.

A) yes you do. You're conflating not wanting to slightly alter your habits with not possible.

B) you can also leave it on the counter or the stovetop. You shouldn't leave any metal object soaking in the sink for a day. Leave them on the counter and then put them in the sink to soak like 5 min before you start cleaning them.

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The Stoned Hacker - 3mon

A) you don't know someone's situation so don't pass judgement when there are very valid reasons theg may not have the time of energy, as if mental health isn't a valid reason already

B) soaking for 5 minutes is definitely not the same getting a good long soak

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Rob Bos - 3mon

I usually put water right into the hot pan. Flakes all the food off instantly, and it's a lot of fun to quench it. Then a squirt of dishsoap (I keep a bottle of diluted dish soap by the sink, super handy!), scrub, rinse, and you're done in actual seconds.

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megopie - 3mon

If you’re soaking it to get stuck on stuff out of it… well stuff shouldn’t be sticking to it that aggressively. and if you’re soaking it to keep stuff from drying on, well, just rinse it out before leaving it to clean later.

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PotatoesFall @discuss.tchncs.de - 3mon

Okay even if you forget to clean it and it rusts, you can just use a steel sponge to get all the rust off and then you just need to re-season it for a few mins and you're good to go again

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MushuChupacabra - 3mon

I saw some greentext about some list of caring for castioron/developing and maintaining seasoning. The list was some collection of a bunch of progressively more absurd tips. The comments were:

I own cast iron, and none of these are true.

I own cast iron, and all of these are true.

I own cast iron,, and some of these are true.

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MushuChupacabra - 3mon

Thank you!

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megopie - 3mon

The thing is, cast iron cookware is a criminally under researched segment of metallurgy and food science. Like, most of what is known is just oral tradition and folklore. It’s mystical in a sense, we preform these old practices and rituals in an attempt to coax an outcome in to being, not based on rigorous testing or knowledge based conjecture, but on myths and ancestral knowledge.

Like we can draw parallels from other areas of metallurgy to get a rough idea of what is going on but most of the modern research is for industrial uses (not cooking) and not for cast iron specifically because it’s not a super common material in engineering anymore.

Some of these old rituals and practices were developed in specific circumstance that are different from the modern day, and from each other, leading to conflicting ideas and practices as different traditions run In to each other. Some old knowledge is applied incorrectly, like people saying you can’t wash it with soap because that will damage it, which is true in the context of an 1800s homestead where they’d be using lye and fat based soap which would strip away the polymerized oil coating, but most dish soap is surfactant based and won’t strip the seasoning.

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masterspace @lemmy.ca - 3mon

This level of mystery is not true. It's just a hunk of iron that gets a polymerizered coating of oil on it. That used to be hard to achieve before we had reliable ovens and cooking oil. Now it's easy.

That's all there is to it.

They've continued to today because some people are paranoid / like to feel special / don't understand things well, so default to perpetuating rules they heard someone say confidently rather than questioning why that rule was created in the first place.

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megopie - 3mon

There is actually a lot we don’t really know about the polymerization and how it layers and adheres. Particularly about how certain heating regimes and oil type effect it. There are a handful of papers about it, but there is a lot missing particularly about what effects the resiliency, porosity, and toughness of the layers. Best practice for what oils to use for seasoning, and how to best apply them and get them to form even layers is up in the air.

We understand generally what is happening, but the specifics are poorly understood and not well researched.

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UniversalBasicJustice @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3mon

I for one am onboard with pursuing this research. Not just because I think it's interesting and love to scientifically dispel (or support!) "traditional wisdom" but also because pursuing knowledge for knowledge's sake is an admirable goal on its own.

Knowledge is shareable power and I don't believe in "knowing enough" about something we clearly don't know enough about. Knowledge and research have far reaching effects; researching cast iron pan seasoning is an intersection between several sciences and engineering disciplines and no one can guess what knowledge may be gained until we gain it.

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masterspace @lemmy.ca - 3mon

Best practice for what oils to use for seasoning, and how to best apply them and get them to form even layers is up in the air.

Best practices are not up in the air. Best practices are to use a thin layer of high smoke point oil like rapeseed oil, baked above it's smoke point for like 20m. Repeat to create a thicker layer.

What you are describing is min/maxing, and getting more specific from there. Yes, eventually researchers may discover even better oils or treatment plans for cast iron, but right now, best practices are known, reliable, not a mystery, and not hard to follow.

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UniversalBasicJustice @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3mon

If there is min/maxing to be done then by definition our current practices are not best. They may be (and generally are) good and functional practices but until the research is done we don't know what best practices are or when to apply them.

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masterspace @lemmy.ca - 3mon

If there is min/maxing to be done then by definition our current practices are not best.

No.

Best practices explicitly and always refers to currently best available current practices.

On top of that, in the context of a discussion with an explicit goal, best practices would explicitly refer to how to the best practices for achieving that goal, not some other nebulous context of "best" practices.

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Darohan @lemmy.zip - 3mon

Folks love to harp on about how "iTs So HaRd To CaRe FoR" but honestly Teflon pans (the more common option) are worse

Cast iron:

  • be a little careful when washing it
  • will last longer than your grandkids

Teflon:

  • don't get it too hot
  • don't use metal tools
  • don't use too much oil
  • often not oven-safe
  • will last like 10 years at most
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tehn00bi @lemmy.world - 3mon

Teflon Poisons the entire planet. Also when over heated, creates Florine gas that may be harmful if you are in close proximity.

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SCmSTR - 3mon

The fuck? Nonstick lasts like one year, MAYBE two. It's not worth it.

Also cast iron also cooks different. Not better, different.

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BlackVenom @lemmy.world - 3mon

You're buying trash pans if they only last a year.

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SCmSTR - 3mon

I cook everyday and throw them away as soon as there's any visible sign of wear. Then after the third buy that damaged so soon, stopped buying nonstick.

But also, yes, I was buying cheaper pans. (Edit: tramontania i think?) Those aluminum ones with the nice red silicone handles. Fantastic pans, but degraded far too fast.

Now, I just use my cast iron skillet from a hundred years ago and it's easier to cook in AND makes better eggs AND I can use my metal spatula.

To clean it, I'll wipe it out with a paper towel, rinse it with warm water really fast, then every week or few days or if it smells, use a dollop of dawn and some warm water and sponge wash it for like 10 seconds and rinse it out, then one paper towel it clean, add in a tiny bit of canola oil, wipe it around, heat it until it starts to smoke on the stove, then turn it off. That process takes like, maybe 30 seconds, not including heating it until it smokes, which realistically is like only another 30-90 seconds.

The eggs are runny yolks and browned and crispy bottoms. And I'm not eating teflon, which to me is absolutely fantastic!

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astropenguin5 @lemmy.world - 2mon

throw them away as soon as there's any visible sign of wear

Well there's your problem

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python @lemmy.world - 3mon

I exclusively use stainless steel pans in my kitchen. None of the weird chemicals from teflon, I can scrape the shit out of them with metal tools and I can toss them in the dishwasher with no second thought. The only downside is that I have to deglaze from time to time while cooking to get stuck bits off, but it's really not that bad.

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Reginald_T_Biter @lemmy.world - 3mon

Can you explain the deglazing process and reasoning. I just got two stainless pans and I'm very curious.

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python @lemmy.world - 3mon

Sometimes brown bits get stuck to the bottom of the pan while cooking and the best way to get them off is to toss some water into the pan before those bits can burn. Not much, maybe like a tablespoon - it dissolves all the brown bits into a very tasty brown sauce that coats the rest of the food in the pan. It's really not complicated, but the added moisture sometimes makes the cooking take a bit longer and isn't ideal when your goal is to cook something very dry and crispy (like when frying tofu)

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Thebular @lemmy.world - 3mon

Now, that being said those browned bits are delicious and are the starting point for a lot of sauces. A dirty steel pan is an opportunity for loads of flavor (provided were talking about a seared or sauteed food, not like pasta or something.

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prole - 3mon

You can deglaze with alcohol as well, and then reduce it into a delicious sauce.

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Reginald_T_Biter @lemmy.world - 3mon

Very interesting thank you. I'll have to give this a try.

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vortic - 3mon

I agree with you on the stainless. I do still have one cast iron pan that I swear by for certain things but I also don't baby it in any way. I also have a couple of ceramic coated pans for specific things that love to stick to stainless. I mostly use the stainless and the cast iron, though.

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ALoafOfBread - 3mon

Yes this. Literally just handwash with soap and water. Season occasionally (clean & then scrub with steel wool to get an even surface, very small amount of oil/lard spread over pan very thinly, oven at 260c/500f until totally dried/hardened, repeat a couple times).

Oven safe, nonstick, durable.

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Valmond @lemmy.world - 3mon

Stainless steel pans are quite nice too.

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fading_person @lemmy.zip - 3mon

The best ones imo. No microplastics, zero maintenance, extreme durability, not hard to wash and not so expensive nowadays.

My grandmother still uses her stainless steel pans that are like 50 or 60 yo, and they still look perfect, almost like new, if not for the scratches. They were a gift when she married, and she literally never bought pans for herself in her life.

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ALoafOfBread - 3mon

They're better than cast iron for some things in my experience. Acidic dishes, eggs (scrambled always stick to cast iron for me). But cast iron's heat retention is superior, providing a more even cooking surface on electric ranges - good for searing meat and most other applications.

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espurr @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

Also teflon is TOXIC

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Cabbage_Pout61 @lemmy.world - 3mon

A common misconception, the teflon molecules are very stable and don't react with almost everything, when ingested it usually just goes through your system in and out, no considerable interaction.

Now the other chemicals used to make Teflon ARE TOXIC, and are present literally, and I mean literally, everywhere on the globe.

Here's an educative video from Veritasium about the subject, super interesting watch.

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unphazed @lemmy.world - 3mon

I thought Teflon coatings were only good for 5yrs before the shit PFAS start leeching out.

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Darohan @lemmy.zip - 3mon

It's entirely possible, I've actually never even had one last even that long and just kinda guesstimated how long a pan that had been absolutely baby'd would last.

Sorry for linking R*ddit, but this thread seems to mirror my suspicions, 3-5 years on average, 10 if you treat it insanely well.

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jollyrogue @lemmy.ml - 3mon

Acidic stuff will eat into the seasoning on cast iron, so that be careful with those.

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Darohan @lemmy.zip - 3mon

Honestly I've been told this a bunch, but I cook so much tomato-filled Italian/Mediterranean food and then just leave the pan until the next day to clean, never seen any serious issues from it. Seasoning is also regenerative, so even if you do fuck it up a bit, a couple of meals later it will be basically back to normal.

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jollyrogue @lemmy.ml - 3mon

Yeah, it’s not hard to rehab a cast iron skillet after messing it up. 🙂 I still got a cheap stainless skillet after some sauces experiences though.

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tauisgod @lemmy.world - 3mon

I make shakshuka in mine fairly often and never had a problem, but if that's all I used it for I could see it causing trouble

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jollyrogue @lemmy.ml - 3mon

I do this too, and it doesn’t seem to be a problem most of the time. 🙂

I also regularly cook fatty meat or fry things in it, so it gets some nice work inbetween, which probably helps.

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guldukat - 3mon

Sending this to my wife. How does she bake shit in so bad? Jump her shit

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Jhex @lemmy.world - 3mon

more expensive?

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boonhet @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

I once had a girlfriend whose mom bought a 300€ cast iron pan that she was talked into at one of those marketing events. Eastcon is a fucking con.

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ameancow @lemmy.world - 3mon

I have a set of cast-iron I found under an abandoned trailer next to a junkyard. They cost exactly nothing and I got to have nerdy fun restoring them over a weekend afternoon, I have been using them for 20 years.

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boonhet @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

That sounds like the best set of cast iron.

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iamdefinitelyoverthirteen @lemmy.world - 3mon

Lol a few minutes with an angle grinder and a flap wheel will take it back down to metal real fast.

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ameancow @lemmy.world - 3mon

Sure, but not having those tools, I used the wonders of SCIENCE.

Some washing soda, a steel rod, a 12v battery charger and a tub of water and overnight all the rust had migrated to the steel rod.

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iamdefinitelyoverthirteen @lemmy.world - 3mon

That is a much cooler way than simple abrasives.

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grrgyle - 3mon

300€ WTFFFFFFFFF!????!! For a pan??

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boonhet @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

So what they do is they tell you you won a free lunch (the irony is not lost on me) from like a raffle or something, which you can claim at location x at time y. Aaaaand then it turns out the free lunch is actually a marketing event where they make you (and the people who come with you) barely any food, while extolling the virtues of their ridiculously overpriced products.

I'd just gone through it with my grandma who's luckily a moderately sharp pencil and invited me and my mom along. We just outright refused to buy anything and ate the cookies and shit (they were demonstrating a cookie maker lmao, made like 3 cookies). But my ex's mom went there I think either alone or with someone who yes-manned her into spending money on the pan. And I think she did it in installments too.

This was like 10 years ago. It's a proper scam, idk if they still do it, but I bet they do.

And yes, the pan was excellent, it came with a removable handle and a kinda cone shaped lid that had a hole in the center, which was useful (lets humidity out, but fat doesn't splatter everywhere). But I was still flabbergasted to hear someone would spend 300€ on a pan. In like 2015 or 2016 Estonia. Her net salary was under 1000€ a month.

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lengau @midwest.social - 3mon

It's in the name.

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boonhet @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

Yeah, I understood that, but try saying that to a woman in her 50s in eastern Europe ~10 years ago lol, it's not like she spoke English

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Korhaka @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

I can be tempted by cast iron with a nice image on the base, though probably not for that much.

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megopie - 3mon

Vintage, or nicely finished pans with polished surfaces or extra greebles and nubbins can be expensive.

Something liked a lodge pan will be cheap but the bottom of it kind of sucks without being ground down ether by long usage or by tools.

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Jhex @lemmy.world - 3mon

I cook on gas, couldn't care less about the smoothness of the bottom but I get people would if cooking on glass top

In general thought, cast iron is cheaper than any pan equivalent in performance... the cheaper stufq they sell at grocery stores are practically dispossable

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lowside @lemmy.world - 3mon

They don't mean the underside.

They mean smooth on the inside. The bottom as In where tu out your food to cook.

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iamdefinitelyoverthirteen @lemmy.world - 3mon

My brother has one like that that was ground smooth brand new. I had mixed opinions when I uses it.

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megopie - 3mon

I mean like, the interior cooking surface is rough.

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syreus @lemmy.world - 3mon

I'm not sure if you are joking or not but when you buy the pan you are supposed to do the first seasoning in the oven a half dozen times. By the end of that the pan should be smooth. I tend not to look at new cast iron since I have so many I yhrisfted over the years. I suppose the import mass produced stuff might look awful on close inspection.

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megopie - 3mon

Nah, you’re not gonna smooth that out with seasoning. Like, it’s the texture of the sand mold just like the rest of it, zero sanding or grinding on the cooking surface to smooth it out and this isn’t a “cheap import” kind of thing, the brand I’m thinking of, lodge, are made in America. Like, they’re functional pans, but the roughness makes them harder to use than something with a polished or even sanded cooking surface, stuff just catches on the nooks and crannies regardless of seasoning. Like a quick pass with a sander or grinder improves them immensely, but that’s not really something most people are going to bother with.

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syreus @lemmy.world - 3mon

I'll keep an eye out then. Wild that something that quality survives on the market.

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megopie - 3mon

I mean, there are a bunch of American cast iron companies still making really good stuff, most are just kinda pricy, like 100 bucks for a skillet. Lodge is just notable for being super cheap, 20 bucks for a skillet, and having a very crude finish compared to the others.

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sobchak @programming.dev - 3mon

What they're talking about sounds like the pan I have. Bought it in the camping aisle, and it was much cheaper than the ones in the kitchen aisle. I haven't found the roughness to be much of an issue; I probably have to use more oil than I would otherwise. It has gotten smoother over many years of use.

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SippyCup @lemmy.ml - 3mon

The glass cooktops are insanely scratch resistant. I use a metal scraper to clean mine.

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iamdefinitelyoverthirteen @lemmy.world - 3mon

My gigantic cast iron had a rather annoying raised ring around the bottom. It was fine on a coil electric range, gas stove, or campfire, but when I moved into a place with a flat top, it was annoying since it didn't actually make contact. I took an angle grinder to it and ground it flat. Night and day differerence.

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partial_accumen - 3mon

For the big stuck on pieces, you use a stainless steel chainmail scrubber. For cast iron pans you can scrub as hard as you can with that and you aren't hurting the pan. Try doing that on your aluminum, Teflon non-stick pan, or your nicely polished stainless steel pan and let me know how that goes (don't do this). For cleaning off oils and grease off cast iron, regular liquid dish soap (like Dawn) works great and is totally okay to use for cleaning cast iron.

For your cast iron, don't use lye based cleaners and don't put your cast iron in the dishwasher.

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Korhaka @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

I usually just wipe up oil and leave it. Thin layer can remain for the next time I use it

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Krudler - 3mon

I recommend people use lye-based cleaners and put them in the dishwasher in a whim.

You can throw a cast iron pan off a fucking roof, leave it in a wet ditch for 2 years, it won't be harmed.

Quarter teaspoon of oil rubbed in, be back to cooking.

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partial_accumen - 3mon

You can throw a cast iron pan off a fucking roof, leave it in a wet ditch for 2 years, it won’t be harmed. Quarter teaspoon of oil rubbed in, be back to cooking.

Sure but if you don't use lye and just use dish soap, then you can skip that step and you keep cooking.

You can throw a cast iron pan off a fucking roof, leave it in a wet ditch for 2 years, it won’t be harmed.

Well if you leave it in a wet ditch for years it would rust and pit eventually. It doesn't mean you couldn't regrind the surface to get it smooth again, then seasoning to get it back into cooking form.

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Tehhund @lemmy.world - 3mon

I put mine in the dishwasher like maniac. And I don't season it, I just spray pam on it. Works fine, purists are just being weird about it.

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megopie - 3mon

There are a lot of myths and legends around cast iron that are due to older circumstances that are no longer applicable. And spray on oil seems like a pretty efficient way to season given that it’ll apply a fairly light and even.

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maximumbird @lemmy.world - 3mon

I seen a quote yesterday that I liked and it seems fitting here.

Tradition is not an excuse to not think critically.

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ameancow @lemmy.world - 3mon

While you are technically correct, I think essentially tradition IS the excuse to not think rationally.

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Notyou @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

I heard tradition is the dead telling the living what to do.

Not that all tradition is bad, but many are out dated or were never made for a good reason.

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Revan343 @lemmy.ca - 3mon

Most spray oils are high smoke point for frying, which is the opposite of what you want for seasoning

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brognak @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3mon

What? You want high smoke point oils for seasoning. You want to season the pans in temperatures higher than you would be normally cooking in, which means higher smoke point oils. I season all of my cast iron and carbon steel with canola, works great.

If you season with Extra Virgin Olive Oil, it's going to burn the seasoning off under normal circumstances.

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megopie - 3mon

I mean, there are a lot of types of spray cooking oil I’ve seen. Coconut, olive oil, and soybean (vegetable oil) are what I see most commonly, and none of those have particularly high smoke points.

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SippyCup @lemmy.ml - 3mon

A good seasoning should withstand some pretty brutal punishment. And even if it doesn't, you can easily reseason the pan which you'll have to do from time to time regardless.

I season my cookie sheets the same way. I've put them in the dishwasher, hit them with those steel wire soapy things, used barkeeper's friend, not much has taken the seasoning off once it's on there.

Except for lemon juice. Lemon juice fucks it right up.

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chiliedogg @lemmy.world - 3mon

Lemon juice. Tomato sauce. That one egg that for some reason decided to be a real motherfucker.

I love my cast iron cookware, but it can be a fickle bitch.

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Korhaka @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

Never really had a problem with frying eggs on cast iron, often do pancakes on it.

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Ashelyn - 3mon

If the yolk directly touches the surface, the emulsifiers could potentially mess with things?

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StarvingMartist @sh.itjust.works - 3mon

I thought the concern was rust more than anything

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Ibaudia @lemmy.world - 3mon

It is, it's important to dry them quickly. Some dishwashers have a heated dry that could help, but I wouldn't trust it personally.

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sobchak @programming.dev - 3mon

I don't put mine in the dishwasher and I don't use soap when cleaning mine (cleans easy enough with hot water, dish rag, and sometimes steel wool), but I don't season either. I just use a refillable oil spray bottle.

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ComradeSharkfucker - 3mon

They retain and distribute heat well. Also I can move it directly from my stove to my oven or vice versa

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r8KNzcU8TzCroexsE2xbWC @lemmy.ca - 3mon

Heat retention is true but when it comes to evenness of heat distribution cast irons are not great. I remember trying out different pots and pans when I first got an induction hob with a FLIR camera and being really surprised.

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vzqq - 3mon

Yup. I’m an enameled cast iron guy. They just soak up heat, but they don’t distribute it well. They have high heat capacity but low conductivity.

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Digitalprimate - 3mon

Copper with stainless steel interior has the best of both worlds. However, it's nearly as heavy and very expensive.

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r8KNzcU8TzCroexsE2xbWC @lemmy.ca - 3mon

Yep, I didn’t notice a huge difference between All Clad D5 and copper core to be honest. Certainly nothing big enough to justify the cost. The size of the hob matters more than the heat conduction of the cookware itself.

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CatsPajamas @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3mon

More expensive???

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Berengaria_of_Navarre @lemmy.world - 3mon

I have one that I only use to make cornbread. Cornbread doesn't make it dirty and cast iron is the only thing that will give you a proper crust on the cornbread.

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lightnsfw @reddthat.com - 3mon

I use mine for steaks. Since I can put the whole thing in the oven after searing them.

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HypnoticSheep @lemmy.world - 3mon

Yeah, I use mine on the grill for the same reason. It's the only pan I have that can just get tossed on without worrying about anything melting or cracking

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Berengaria_of_Navarre @lemmy.world - 3mon

Yeah, I don't really eat steak. Or any meat in slab form actually.

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captainlezbian @lemmy.world - 3mon

I'm a vegetarian and use mine for pizzas and breads

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Berengaria_of_Navarre @lemmy.world - 3mon

Oh I'm not vegetarian I just don't like steak. I only eat beef or pork when it's cooked into something like a curry or stew because it has an unpleasant texture and no real flavour of it's own. But yeah breads are good done in cast iron.

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Mose13 - 3mon

That’s why it was originally called a cornbread pan. Cast iron is actually a miss translation.

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megopie - 3mon

Keeping the old tradional of cast iron misinformation alive.

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setVeryLoud(true); - 3mon

Little Miss translation, we called 'er.

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cowfodder - 3mon

The truly enlightened use carbon steel pans.

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BussyCat @lemmy.world - 3mon

Not enough thermal mass in most carbon steel pans which is why the super truly enlightened use multiple different materials depending on what they are trying to cook

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Korhaka @sopuli.xyz - 3mon

Some of us have limited space and funds, so for me it's cast iron

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Hildegarde - 3mon

They're way cheaper and they last multiple lifetimes. I don't know what you're on about.

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Malle_Yeno - 3mon

Yeah i dont wanna bother having to sort through all the misinformation and contradictory advice on cast iron pans at this point. Cuz I'll read someone say "I wash it all the time" and then the next comment will be "I washed mine and it rusted instantly"

I just use carbon steel and it treats me right.

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megopie - 3mon

I mean, carbon steel is basically the same thing in terms of how you care for it.

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unphazed @lemmy.world - 3mon

Even with rust, it can be fixed with a decent scrubbing. Small trace amounts of rust shouldn't harm you either, just give you more small metals than usual.

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fodor @lemmy.zip - 3mon

Yeah except it only rusts instantly if you royally fucked up lol. This is not rocket science. It's not even slightly challenging. A six year old can do it.

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Krauerking @lemy.lol - 3mon

Well all that other than lift it

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Psythik @lemmy.world - 3mon

Of course it's going to rust instantly, that's why you hit it with the brillo pad and then re-season it immediately after.

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iamdefinitelyoverthirteen @lemmy.world - 3mon

Eh, a little extra iron in your diet ain't the end of the world. I just boil some water in it, pour it our, hit it with the chain mail, then rinse and smear around a decent sized dollop of pig fat in it and call it a day.

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Reginald_T_Biter @lemmy.world - 3mon

Ain't nobody got chain mail and pig fat lying about!

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iamdefinitelyoverthirteen @lemmy.world - 3mon

Really??? You can get a chainmail scrubber at most places that sell cast iron pans, and pig fat is leftover Bacon grease. Lots of people have that, right?

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Reginald_T_Biter @lemmy.world - 3mon

Had to Google the chainmail scrubber, that's really cool. Maybe they haven't made it over to Ireland yet haha. I want one.

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iamdefinitelyoverthirteen @lemmy.world - 3mon

:-)

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ameancow @lemmy.world - 3mon

You need to really be into cooking before something like cast iron versus whatever else will ever be an issue in your life.

I yanked my set of cast iron out from under an abandoned single-wide trailer in the desert next to a junk-yard, they were partially buried in an ant mound. Over the last couple decades I have abused them hard, both in restoration and in cooking/cleaning, they're just work-horse cookware I don't have to be too concerned about, but if I put a little extra effort in I can use them to get a perfect crust on a ribeye when I cook meat for friends and family. If that kind of thing is important to you... well don't worry, you can also get that with steel!

People who obsess about their cast iron just either really, really enjoy micromanagement in their lives, or have nothing else that makes them feel special.

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flambonkscious @sh.itjust.works - 3mon

Hallelujah!

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null_dot @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3mon

IDK anything about cooking really but... being heavier is a big deal. You kinda charge up the pan with stored heat and then when you plonk your steak or whatever on there it's going to sizzle and give you that nice crusty crispified outside.

It's the difference between something that looks like this picture, and the steak your grandma makes.

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BonesOfTheMoon @lemmy.world - 3mon

I never touched a cast iron pan in my life growing up, it simply wasn't a thing. My ex had one and shortly after we met I was cleaning up his kitchen for him, found his nasty crusty cast iron pan and washed it. (We didn't have Internet then so it's not like I would have looked it up). His Australian parents were horrified. I still hate the filthy things.

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comrade19 @lemmy.world - 3mon

That is yuck. Sometimes you do need to wash them properly with soap and everything, and just re-season them or whatever the cast iron enthusiast say.

That's reminds when people don't clean their BBQ and it's this smelly source of fat going bad.

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pup_atlas @pawb.social - 3mon

Not sure where this superstition came from. You can clean your cast iron with soap, pretty much any kind. Seasoning is very tough, around the hardness of glass. Pretty much the only real guidelines are don’t use anything abrasive like bar keepers friend (unless you wanna reseason), and don’t leave it wet.

The people leaving a layer of uncleaned grease on their pans have no clue what they are doing.

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droans @midwest.social - 3mon

The superstition is due to old soaps which contained lye. That will desire you seasoning.

Modern soaps don't contain any lye. You just want to make sure you dry it quickly after washing it.

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MML @sh.itjust.works - 3mon

Does it really make a difference? Personally I want my pan to sparkle but are these people really experiencing any negative effects? I realize food born illnesses exist but it doesn't seem like the practice is bad enough to matter.

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JamesTBagg @lemmy.world - 3mon

People that can't handle cast iron are the same that can't get their car's oil changed on time.
After breakfast this morning I washed my skillets with the other dishes. The only difference is I put it on the stove to dry.

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Mayor Poopington - 3mon

I paid $25 for a new Lodge...

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zero_spelled_with_an_ecks @programming.dev - 3mon

More expensive? There's always a few at every thrift store for cheap p

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ragebutt @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3mon

Cast iron dorks are just skill issue people that can’t handle using a $20-40 stainless pan from a restaurant supply store. It’s an objectively worse pan that holds onto heat forever. Pan got too hot? Too fucking bad, guess you’re waiting a bit. Need to toss something or slide it around? Good thing the pan weighs 800 pounds. They have a role and purpose but the cast iron cult will come out in any cooking thread and be like “you should only use cast iron or you’re a goddamn fool”.

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HatchetHaro - 3mon

bro's mad he ain't swole like us

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captainlezbian @lemmy.world - 3mon

Bro's mad he ain't swole like a grandma

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MrFinnbean @lemmy.world - 3mon

Aaaw is itty bitty stainless pan user on bad mood. Did you got a bad sear? Or did you notice your pan has uneven bottom? Poor little weak armed stainless pan user.

But seriously. Use what ever you want :D both pans have good thing going for them. And nobody says you need to use only one pan for all the cooking.

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ragebutt @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3mon

I mean if you want to use a cast iron pan more power to you but they are objectively worse for 90% of cooking tasks.

Why do you think if you go into literally any restaurant in the entire world 99% of the pans are either stainless steel or carbon steel woks with the occasional cheap nonstick pan thrown in for a crappy cook that sucks at doing eggs and fish

But if you go onto like a cooking subreddit, twitter thread, youtube post, etc I guarantee any post about cookware will have a bunch of cast iron zealots that are like “just get a cast iron pan, season it, end of story, no other pans, other pans are stupid, anyone who recommends another pan is an idiot”. It’s a goddamn cult of people who bought a lodge at target.

Also fwiw I do have a cast iron tamagoyaki pan and I have a 16” carbon steel wok. I highly recommend the (awesomely named) powerflamer wok burner if anyone is ever into wok cooking and has outdoor space. 160k btu and my Chinese food finally has that wok hei

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MrFinnbean @lemmy.world - 3mon

Hmm. Well i only have 8 years of experience in professional kitchens so i cant speak for every kitchen in the world, but there are tasks where cast iron is objectivelly better, like tarte tatin, pann pizza searing meat is better and they can be nifty looking when serving the dish from there.

The reason why i use steelpans in work is in fact that they are lighter and i can toss them in to dish pitt. But when im cooking at home i dont need to juggle with six pans and it does not make any difference if waiting for the pan to cool and washin it takes few minutes longer. Also steel pans are generally cheaper so many restaurants buy them.

You really cant compare home kitchen and professional kitchen on same metrics. Things like deep fryiers are abnormal at home and can be a real nuisance, but those are excelent tool at the professional kitchen.

By the way. If you like out door cooking you should take a gander at "muurikka" i have two at home. The older one is from my parents and its close to be 40 years old (older than i am) they can be used on gas or open fire and are borderline impossible to break.

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ragebutt @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3mon

I don’t have 8 years but I did about 5 during college and grad school before I diverted into my current career path, though tbf that was like over a decade and a half ago now (oof). And agreed, like I said it’s not that cast iron is useless. It has a role, it’s just that the role is greatly overemphasized by the cookware zealots.

Cost is pretty negligible - a lodge 12” skillet is $30, the first result for 10” steel pan on webstaurant is $21. Though there’s an aluminum 12” for $15 (yuck). Though again tbf at least where I worked the owners would def penny pinch over $9 haha

FWIW I would absolutely love a proper deep fryer in my house. I unironically looked into this once bc I regularly go to restaurant auctions to get gear super cheap (ask me about the deli slicer I got for $50. Having a deli slicer rules) and one had a super cheap single basket deep fryer. But it needed a dedicated 220 line and as I looked into it more it turns out I would potentially be violating all sorts of building codes and invalidating my homeowners insurance. At a minimum I would’ve had to disclose it to my homeowners at get a bunch of paperwork to get the policy changed, which likely would’ve required me to have a ton of work and documentation in terms of ventilation, fire suppression, possibly inspection from local fire authority, etc. not worth the hassle even for the insane fries.

I am not familiar with the muurikka. I am looking at the website now. It is intriguing. My outdoor setup at the moment is the wok burner and a small charcoal grill. I was considering getting really into pizza and depending on my approach this could be a good fit. My other idea was to build a small brick oven. I am historically not great at building things like that but I am also dumb

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MrFinnbean @lemmy.world - 3mon

Deep fryer is one of those things that sound much better than it really is. It takes a lot of room, its hard to keep clean, its messy and its dangerous if you have kids/ drunken people running around.

Muurikka has also lid that turns it to a makesift oven. Its not perfect, but its best pizza i have made on open fire in the middle of nowhere.

About pan. If i was forced to pick one pan that i would need to use in my home kitchen for the rest of my life i would choose cast iron.

Its unbreakable, i like the way it sears meats and veggies, it can be used on everything from open fire to induction. And i love how well it works if want to slow loock something in oven.

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ragebutt @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3mon

Homeowner’s insurance agrees with you

It looks interesting (muurikka). The cost is very reasonable too which is surprising given tariffs and shipping. I could see this being a very good option for camping and fire pit. I am intrigued

I look at pan this way: I have a stack of 3 steel pans, a cast iron skillet, and a cheap nonstick. 90% of the time I’m grabbing a steel pan because it’s the easiest to use for most things. If I need to get a pan ripping hot to do a reverse sear? I’ll bring out the cast iron

I suppose the agreeable thing here at least is hexclad is stupid

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MrFinnbean @lemmy.world - 3mon

Agreed hexclad is stupid.

As for muurikka. The bigger oner are heasy as sin, so i cant recomment those if there is lots of trekking on the camping trip.

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Digitalprimate - 3mon

Have a sympathy upvote for your wok hei. I love my cast iron. And my enameled cast iron. And my carbon steel. And my copper. I love my Japanese santoku and my German steel. Different tools for different jobs my friend.

That said, if you had to populate a kitchen, from scratch, on a budget, cast iron as your main skillet is a good idea.

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StarvingMartist @sh.itjust.works - 3mon

I really need a new wok

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ragebutt @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3mon

Do you live near a city with a Chinatown? Carbon steel 14” wok about 2mm thick is perfect for home use imo. The 16” is more if you’re cooking for several people at once. Either one should be 30-40 dollars. I have both and I use the 16 more because I like the space but I should probably use the 14 to control portions better for my health haha

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ameancow @lemmy.world - 3mon

I wanted to take a trip out to New Wok myself.

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ILikeBoobies @lemmy.ca - 3mon

It helps with iron deficiency.

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fading_person @lemmy.zip - 3mon

This can look like a joke for some, but it's actually true. For anyone skeptical, search fr academic articles on the matter and see it for yourself.

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thevoidzero @lemmy.world - 3mon

I don't know if people will be angry with me but I just cook in it for iron. So I just clean it normally with water later (no soap most of the time). Heat it to dry, and apply a bit of oil and store it. That way I never have grimes and dirty pieces there.

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AnimalsDream - 3mon

I was done with cast iron when I got a new cast iron pan that rusted the same day because it was humid and I didn't get a chance to glaze it for just a few too many hours.

Oh well, I prefer to do big batches of one-pot cooking anyway. Simple, easy, efficient.

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Benaaasaaas @group.lt - 3mon

You can just scrub the rust off and glaze it, it's fine

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AnimalsDream - 3mon

Yeah sure, but that's not the greater issue. It's a question of whether I have any interest in putting up with cast iron's hassles, when I know I don't have to. It also doesn't help that cast iron is a very oil-centric kind of cooking, and I generally don't use any added fats in my cooking. It just doesn't make sense for me to use it.

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FuckFascism @lemmy.world - 3mon

It's better used as a fucking weapon than a cooking utensil.

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PKscope - 3mon

You know, I thought the same thing (about being a weapon), but apparently that isn't the case. Maybe for one good bonk, but they're actually kind of fragile. They break way easier than a standard steel pan would.

But I do agree they're better for cooking because of the insane heat retention. I love mine. I have a whole set from small to large. Steaks come out perfect every time.

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fodor @lemmy.zip - 3mon

*super easy to clean ... but it doesn't look clean, but it is.

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swelter_spark @reddthat.com - 3mon

Hear me out, though...nitrided iron.

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ms.lane - 3mon

Hear me out, 316 Stainless.

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swelter_spark @reddthat.com - 2mon

Is that different from typical stainless steel?

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Crashumbc @lemmy.world - 3mon

Lol, I keep seeing ads but never looked into it. Is there actually something to that or is it just marketing BS?

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swelter_spark @reddthat.com - 3mon

It feels different from cast iron, but hard to describe how exactly. A different consistency to the metal? Slightly slick, in the way that gun metal is. It doesn't seem to need to be seasoned, and seems rust-resistant. Still great for searing meat and veggies. Holds heat like cast iron, and has the same weight.

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Venator @lemmy.nz - 1mon

This meme brought to you by The Chemours Company

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StarvingMartist @sh.itjust.works - 3mon

Wasn't expecting so many people to get offended by this, not removing it though so stop asking

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