If a user from a defederated instance comments on a community I moderate, how do I moderate the user or their comment?
If my account is on Blahaj and the community I moderate is on another instance like lemmy.world, and the user is from an instance we defederate from like hexbear, I won't see the hexbear user's comments (or even their user if I search for it) from my Blahaj instance, and so I don't see a way I can moderate their comments on the lemmy.world instance I moderate.
Does this seem right? Is there any workaround?
(I guess I could make an account on the same instance as the community I moderate just for moderating that instance?)
Ada - 8mon
It depends on where the community is hosted.
If the community is a blahaj based community, then when we defederate, we stop sending community updates to their instance, and we don't accept any updates from people on that instance, so their posts to the community never make it to us.
Which is to say, it is technically possible for folks on the defederated community to post and reply to old stuff in the community that existed before defederation, but even then, it won't reach anyone else. It will just stay on the defederated instance. And they will not get new content, so they aren't secretly replying and interacting to current conversations.
If the community is not based on blahaj, and the instance we have defederated from isn't defederated from the instance that hosts the community, then basically, you need to bring on other mods/alts from the instance that hosts the community.
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ExtremeDullard @lemmy.sdf.org - 8mon
My answer to this is to moderate from an instance that doesn't defederate any other instance (other than illegally egregious ones) - SDF.
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dandelion (she/her) - 8mon
right, but wouldn't it be best to have an account on the instance the community you moderate is on? Presumably this is the best way to have exact parity - the the community won't support comments or users from instances it defederates from, right?
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Lucy :3 - 8mon
iirc that's very recommended anyway. Eg. @FQQD@lemmy.ohaa.xyz also has the account @FQQD@feddit.org for moderating !196@feddit.org. Otherwise, many mod actions may not federate correctly to the communitie's instance (or smth)
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Nothing4You - 8mon
mod actions generally do federate correctly, at least on the latest lemmy versions. it's just reports that don't.
but in general, you will need an account on the community instance to get full federation abilities when you take potential instance bans and defederations into account. even when it's not a defederation, if a user is banned from your instance but not from the community instance their posts won't make it to you.
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First Majestic Comet - 7mon
You can ban directly using Tesseract and if mod actions federate there it'll ban them, and it'll also remove their comments if you tick remove submissions. I've done it before for users banned from Blahaj but commenting in our communities.
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FQQD - 8mon
Yep. As well as @internetfuneralmod@lemmy.world
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internet funeral mod - 7mon
Yep that's right
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dandelion (she/her) - 8mon
oo, thanks - that's good to know.
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ExtremeDullard @lemmy.sdf.org - 8mon
Of course! I was just telling you what I do. I didn't claim it was perfect 🙂
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dandelion (she/her) - 8mon
oh, sorry - didn't mean that as a critique, just was thinking out loud and wondering if there was a reason I wasn't seeing to moderate from a single open instance (like you) vs the approach of having a moderator account for the instance of the community you moderate 🤔
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Of the Air (cele/celes) - 8mon
They can still comment? Wow, Lemmy needs to impliment proper blocking like mastodon has or something. It's terrible that they haven't figured this out yet.
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Blaze (he/him) - 7mon
They can't
Which is to say, it is technically possible for folks on the defederated community to post and reply to old stuff in the community that existed before defederation, but even then, it won’t reach anyone else.
Yes, that comment showed up after we commented. Still, good to know. It's still a shame that there is no actual genuine user blocking (two way) on lemmy though, so you can see why we thought that maybe they slacked in other areas too.
dandelion in main
If a user from a defederated instance comments on a community I moderate, how do I moderate the user or their comment?
If my account is on Blahaj and the community I moderate is on another instance like lemmy.world, and the user is from an instance we defederate from like hexbear, I won't see the hexbear user's comments (or even their user if I search for it) from my Blahaj instance, and so I don't see a way I can moderate their comments on the lemmy.world instance I moderate.
Does this seem right? Is there any workaround?
(I guess I could make an account on the same instance as the community I moderate just for moderating that instance?)
It depends on where the community is hosted.
If the community is a blahaj based community, then when we defederate, we stop sending community updates to their instance, and we don't accept any updates from people on that instance, so their posts to the community never make it to us.
Which is to say, it is technically possible for folks on the defederated community to post and reply to old stuff in the community that existed before defederation, but even then, it won't reach anyone else. It will just stay on the defederated instance. And they will not get new content, so they aren't secretly replying and interacting to current conversations.
If the community is not based on blahaj, and the instance we have defederated from isn't defederated from the instance that hosts the community, then basically, you need to bring on other mods/alts from the instance that hosts the community.
My answer to this is to moderate from an instance that doesn't defederate any other instance (other than illegally egregious ones) - SDF.
right, but wouldn't it be best to have an account on the instance the community you moderate is on? Presumably this is the best way to have exact parity - the the community won't support comments or users from instances it defederates from, right?
iirc that's very recommended anyway. Eg. @FQQD@lemmy.ohaa.xyz also has the account @FQQD@feddit.org for moderating !196@feddit.org. Otherwise, many mod actions may not federate correctly to the communitie's instance (or smth)
mod actions generally do federate correctly, at least on the latest lemmy versions. it's just reports that don't.
but in general, you will need an account on the community instance to get full federation abilities when you take potential instance bans and defederations into account. even when it's not a defederation, if a user is banned from your instance but not from the community instance their posts won't make it to you.
You can ban directly using Tesseract and if mod actions federate there it'll ban them, and it'll also remove their comments if you tick remove submissions. I've done it before for users banned from Blahaj but commenting in our communities.
Yep. As well as @internetfuneralmod@lemmy.world
Yep that's right
oo, thanks - that's good to know.
Of course! I was just telling you what I do. I didn't claim it was perfect 🙂
oh, sorry - didn't mean that as a critique, just was thinking out loud and wondering if there was a reason I wasn't seeing to moderate from a single open instance (like you) vs the approach of having a moderator account for the instance of the community you moderate 🤔
They can still comment? Wow, Lemmy needs to impliment proper blocking like mastodon has or something. It's terrible that they haven't figured this out yet.
They can't
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/44285185/18729518
Yes, that comment showed up after we commented. Still, good to know. It's still a shame that there is no actual genuine user blocking (two way) on lemmy though, so you can see why we thought that maybe they slacked in other areas too.