Right? Imagine if you said that about the rights for like black women or something? Like, come ON. It's 2025, we KNOW these behaviors are bigoted, rules are way too chill with letting shit like that fly, and is part of the reason it's so prolific now - it's not being treated like the hate speech that it is, and people in power in certain places are like "no I'm not sure we need to discuss it again". It's just gross and horrible and makes me feel so fucking helpless sometimes when a space is dominated with shitties like that.

"we want to make sure we comply with the law"

on here?

...Christ, why? lmao

They must think they're the main character of lemmy or someshit.

Agreed, fuck 'em.

If the users of feddit.uk want to engage with us, they're totally welcome to do so on our terms by making an account somewhere that holds their users to a better standard. I hope they do. As far as I'm concerned, the users are cool, but we don't have to coddle somebody else's bigotry or put up with hatred.

"meh, those things sound like work"

-- feddit.uk admin

It's pretty fucked up a court ruling that's shit sees such quick implementation.

Admin, ban this person! Clearly a non blahaj user voicing their opinion where explicitly told not to!

::: spoiler Tap for spoiler /s, doh. :::

This has always been my stance. If it doesn't affect me, then I am always on the side of people's rights. Automatically. Even if it does affect me, I'm still more likely to be in favor of people's rights. Especially if the people in question are losing rights. I simply don't understand people who think loss of rights stops at people they don't like. It just doesn't work that way. A loss of ANY right against ANYONE is a personal loss of rights.

For instance, I'm not LGBTQ+. But I will fight like hell for their rights. Not just because it's the right thing to do, but because I know what happens when the LGBTQ+ people are gone. These are innocent people who just want to live their life and are under constant threat from physical and legal harm. The fact that Christians get so up in arms about even seeing two men kiss, or holding hands pisses me off on a level I can't describe. Especially when you consider the huge proportion of child molestation in the church. And it is very common that that child molestation was against a child of the same sex as the adult.

I'm not saying there's a causation there, but there's definitely correlation. And that correlation isn't homosexuality of the abuser. The correlation is power. Teaching, clergy, Hollywood, right wing, left wing, it happens on both sides, on all levels, and of moderates as well. But the one thing that always unifies EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. is power. 100%, every single time.

However, Republicans tend to have power/Dom fantasies at a FAR higher rate than Democrats. And again, I'm not saying that's a causation, but it is a correlation.

Power fantasies are insanely dangerous, even if the person is a "lowly" cook. It's potentially civilization ending if the person has the power of the US military. And I've yet to ever hear a Democrat fantasize about being president. Honestly even thinking about it... Fuck that. I can't handle that kind of responsibility. But I guess if trump "can" do it, then I could as well.

The real answer is:

They are too dense to realize haven't realized that what they're doing IS bigoted BECAUSE they've been so deeply in that culture for so long that it's a much deeper question than they realize, and then get caught in the insidious (oh god I'm about to use the term 😭) neo liberal mindset of letting all the hatred and blatant manipulation fly free, unable to consider the problems or times in which they would not allow that stance to themselves, likely because they've never had to and may never have to experience anything like it.

Or, they literally are just bigoted and being shitty bigots.

They don't call it TERF Island for nothing.

It's a transphobic dog whistle. Popularised by UK transphobes. The implication is that trans women aren't women, and when you see it used, that's what they're really saying.

Adult human female is a dog whistle used by TERFs (and transphobes more broadly) to make it clear that they are specifically excluding trans women from the definition of womanhood; that is, it’s shorthand for saying that ‘adult human females’ are the only category of person that can be called a woman.

It's popular transphobic/conservative rhetoric. That's it. It's vague and a dog whistle.

A dog whistle is a euphemism for saying one thing that only your base clearly hears, like a literal dog whistle and how only dogs hear it because human hearing is like 20hz-20,000hz, and dogs go up to like 70,000 or 100,000hz or something.

It's just a super shitty behavior in general, akin to passive aggression, in that it's purely destructive with no constructive recourse, thus Ada's swift decision and response (thanks Ada).

People like that will say "just block them" with one fork of their tongue,

Aka: "i just supply the space, I have no responsibility to make sure it's actually safe"

"sort it out through discussion and voting"

Aka: "and I don't intend to protect anyone, not my problem if you're getting attacked".

The way I see it, free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences for what you say. You're free to walk up to the friend group and act like a jackass and personally insult everyone. And they're free to tell you to fk off and stop being friends with you and talking to you. That's not an infringement on your right to free speech, that's consequences for your actions.

These 'free speech' people act like the real world is this place where you can just approach and interrupt any conversation and enter any club without following the rules. They act like groups of like minded people getting together to share interests and ideas without wanting to constantly defend themselves and 'debate' their interests and beliefs is some new thing brought to us by the woke agenda.

And so they think social media should be this place where you can say whatever to whoever, wherever you want and if anyone has a problem with that, they're just anti 'free speech' woke libs or some shit.

Unfortunately some kinds of transphobia gets upvoted now and then because cis people don't always understand what we're going through and what is hurtful or oppressive. Some people just have this stance that others should take things even if they have no understanding of what it's like to actually be the victim of systemic/societal discrimination.

lemmy

It's definitely not one homogenous platform, especially when some instances will block the more outspoken political instances who would bombard such posts.

Yes, but the best thing is that it's not, like they are claiming, law. It is merely an interpretation. It doesn't stop us from doing anything we were doing previously though ultimately a lot of transphobes and business will inteprate it that way, sadly. Plus there is some whisperings of it meaning certain legal things but it isn't that yet. The Equality Act needs to be updated anyway and if it was this would make the supreme court's ruling null and void.

Even if it does mean new laws most of us will probably break them anyway as unjust laws are not worth paying any attention to.

I believe the court ruling was the legal meaning only. When a legal text says "female" it implies biological female (as sex, not gender) which is understandable. Same for medication notices etc..

I’ve not checked though but the main source of fight is whether we’re talking about sex or gender. There are two sides, the ones that assume "female"/"women" refer to sex by default and the ones that assume it refers to gender by default.

The ruling was made in the context of a specific law and not as an absolute rulling.

Not saying I agree with it but just adding nuance even if you don't intend to explore the topic further.

Calm discussion doesn’t work, ridicule them and deplatform them.

They've tried calm discussion, it's confirmed their position, so (while this decision doesn't really affect me) I'd be satisfied that Ada's not jumping to conclusions. It doesn't matter how diplomatic or polite they are, they're on their way to becoming a Nazi bar.

For those who weren't here before the reddit API exodus last year, Lemmy used to have a sizable US Free Speech instance, Wolfballs, whose owner was more the anti-vax flavor than the bigoted kind and sincerely believed in the Libertarian/liberalist marketplace of ideas. Perhaps out of desperation for growing the platform (Lemmy was in the hundreds of users at that point and that owner was contributing software improvements), it took a while before the bans turned to full defederations. Their admin was diplomatic, they were polite, I believe they were sincere, their instance rules were neutral and open to everyone, and then after a couple of years they shut down their own instance when they realized the literal white supremacist neo-nazis they were platforming, who had scared anyone sane away, weren't just doing a bit to troll the libs and actually did believe they ridiculous junk they spouted about shapeshifters and non-aryan marriages.

When someone creates a permissive instances which platforms bigotry, the people other instances reject will tend to flow there, whether the admin agrees with them or not.

They’ve only grown stronger because the neolibs want calm discussion between The people who want to exist and the bigots who hate them for existing.

Ah, the classic both-sides false equivalence - I've seen a few rare losers playing the "banning someone for their political choices and actions is the same as oppressing someone for having a body I don't like!", and it's mindboggling that certain instances tolerate their fake-neutral chavanism.

I'd rather my comm ban people that complain about 'tankies'. It's a useless term which can mean 100 things to different people, only serving really to divide the left.

I'm unsure what tankies really are and why people are so divided on them. Are they transphobic?

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Genuine/ignorant question: why?

This is called transparency, not putting it in a spotlight. We don't close our eyes from the world, we just don't want to be confronted with hate and discrimination everywhere and have nobody do anything about it. So if drastic actions like this have to be taken to achieve this, it's good to be informed about that.

Sentiment here seems to be appreciation for the actions taken, so why do you think you can speak for us on this behalf?

I want the community to have a choice. Federation lets people have that choice.

Thanks for your opinion, @knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de. Note that nobody asked, and Ada specifically stated in the post that this is not the place for you to chime in with your enlightened thoughts about our instance.

No. I won't start a brigade against a specific user, even a transphobic one. And ultimately, the defederation is due to the feddit.uk admins approach to transphobia rather than the specifics of the posts.

You are absolutely welcome to maintain an account on another instance and here if you want to have the option of having those discussions. And I don't mean that in a "Well, there's the door" way. What I'm trying to say is that if you don't want to have the types of conversations you're talking about, it's currently very hard to find spaces that make that possible. That's why lbz exists in the form it does. However, I completely understand that some people do want that opportunity. And if that's you, you're welcome to maintain multiple accounts. You'll always have a space here, but you can also use instances that give you access to less protective spaces.

Yeah, they did a post up clarifying their stance

https://feddit.uk/post/29902751 / https://lemmyverse.link/feddit.uk/post/29902751

Yeah, future federation is absolutely a possibly.