I'm trans and new to Lemmy. Can I have some lore on what's going on with Hexbear?
I'm posting because originally when I was looking to create a Lemmy account I came across Hexbear. I read the code of conduct and TOS and to me it seemed like a great fit for me. However, after creating an account there, it seems pretty defederated.
Anyway I was curious on the happenings over there, because they have some cute custom emojis over there... but if there's a reason they're so defederated, I might just pretend i never made an account there
They... dont. Pointing out why the war happened, and wanting the war to end: understanding that the only way for the war to end being through negotiations where Ukraine gives up things, and therefore saying that Ukraine should negotiate and end the war, can to some look like defending Russia, it is not.
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Strawberry - 11mon
It's amazing that when faced with sober geopolitical analysis, people mistake it for moral justification or dehumanization. You can't solve geopolitical issues without acknowledging geopolitics! Of course it was immoral for Russia to attack Ukraine, but shouting that into the void and expecting anything to change does not save Ukrainian or Russian lives.
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kuato @lemmy.world - 11mon
Show me one single example of it, then. You can’t, because they don’t.
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ComradeSharkfucker - 11mon
The top comment in this thread has no idea what they are talking about and I would not take them seriously. The communist opinions on China and Russia are so much more nuanced than they give credit for. Explaining them would actually take me hours to write but you can go there and ask. They will be forthcoming and genuine as long as you are.
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kuato @lemmy.world - 11mon
Literally no one thinks post-1991 Russia is communist. Show me a single example.
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Jorunn (she/her) - 11mon
True but I've also seen quite a few ml users defend russia invading ukraine and calling ukrainians vermin etc
Edit: That is to say, it's easy to think they think russia is communist when they celebrate them killing civilians as some sort of victory against imperialism
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Warl0k3 @lemmy.world - 11mon
More "Insist the human rights violations are capitalist/western/CIA propaganda used to fuel a culture war". Which like yeah, the most effective propaganda is the truth and all that...
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recursive_recursion they/them - 11mon
Lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, and hexbear are the 3 most well known instances to house pro CCP and Putin loyalists
I'd recommend just blocking those 3 as you'll generally have a better time on the fediverse.
Hexbear, Lemmygrad, .ml are all part of the Tankie Triad. The real rules are all unwritten and you'll never know them till your posts get removed and you're banned
Their support for trans is paper thin at best, this is what Nutomic, head dev, biggest Tankie and lead admin of .ml has to say about the trans community
I know some of the lore but people have already answered that, so give you my experience, I joined it see what it's like, I reported something that broke there ToS, I was then thrown on a community called "dunk tank" or something like that.
I was new to lemmy and it said in what I thought messages was that I got a message and then I responded to it
Apparently it's against that community rules to respond to it
I was permanently banned
So, yeah hexbear is capitalist bootlickers who mask them selfs as communists.
Although tbh. Lemmy.world seems very capitalist loving but at least I don't get instant banned because I'm new. Never had any problems with Lemmy.ml in my experience, but also I have some problems with shit just works (or whatever its called)
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ComradeSharkfucker - 11mon
They are absolutely not capitalist bootlickers thats a wild ass take. I'm sorry they were mean to you, they got rid of the dunk_tank recently, though there was some drama about it and some communities popped up that essentially mimic it in a slightly less rude way. I've never found a community more accepting and understanding when you come to them in good faith and don't say anything stupid about communism bc they will dog on you for that.
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cm0002 @lemmy.world - 11mon
don't say anything stupid about communism
Oh yea like rightful and fair criticism of the CCP's human rights violations or Putler's unprovoked war
Just "stupid" things lol
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Gormadt - 11mon
And North Korea and Libya as well.
They just love to simp for dictators all over the world as long as they say they're, "for the people."
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db0 - 11mon
Not always true about the good faith. If you go against their core beliefs like "left unity" even outside their spaces, you can get in their shit list and get piled on. Happened to me in my own instance community.
There is an account with that name on hexbear, it has a completely blank modlog, or are you talking about some other account?
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ComradeSharkfucker - 11mon
Hexbear is a instance run by communist that some people hate because we can be a bit loud and snarky about our politics. Super trans friendly though 👍
Edit: they are indeed heavily defederated which is why I choose to use a lemmy.ml account most of the time. I get to interact with them and most everyone else.
Hexbear was one of the earliest servers that is now part of the fediverse. It was started after chapo trap house was banned from Reddit.
Users there realized the danger of the rich being able to shut down online leftist spaces well before the first waves of reddit exodus.
They do not put up with the slightest whiff of transphobic bullshit and moderate & ban that crap swiftly.
You may hear some weird takes on the US's global adversaries, but you won't have to put up with weird takes on the US.
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SoftestSapphic @lemmy.world - 11mon
It's a tankie space where people simp for authoritarian governments.
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Sabre363 - 11mon
I'm not trans so I never had reason to go down this particular rabbithole, but I remember when I first I joined the platform there was some kind of commotion around Hexbear and nobody wanting to be federated with em because of their supposedly weird tankie politics. I've never seen any tangible evidence of this (insert lack of rabbithole following here), but reading the comments, there seems to be two stories and now I'm really curious what you find out here.
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tenchiken - 11mon
I'm not trans, but I can say that no matter the various reasons, my personal one was simple:
Everytime someone replied to one of my comments with the most asinine, absurd or just downright stupid asshole approaches, it was always hexbear.
Literally a sigh of relief when Lemmy added personal instance blocking. Immediately hit that button and never looked back.
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Khlo - 11mon
I'll report back with my findings!
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Sabre363 - 11mon
Did a little spelunking and investigating, kinda leaning towards them all being tankies. At least in the few things I glanced at, there wasn't anything extreme or over-the-top, but they also seemed quite happy to ban a user for very minor criticisms of the Orange Cunt and the instance mods also mod a looot of communism and CCP related communities, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Toying with making an account and posting a certain controversial image just to see what happens
seemed quite happy to ban a user for very minor criticisms of the Orange Cunt
Which user?
the instance mods also mod a looot of communism and CCP related communities
Could it be that they are communists, leftists (i.e. anti-capitalist)... as they declared themselves?
Toying with making an account and posting a certain controversial image just to see what happens
Since you are being vauge, I'm not sure which one you are talking about. But either you will be banned, probably for racism (implying a chinese person is yellow), or you will be given books and links to read/watch up on.
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Sabre363 - 11mon
It's not particularly hard to guess what image I'm referring to given the context of the thread, lol
Hint: It was taken in 1989
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AnarchoSnowPlow @midwest.social - 11mon
Lemmy instances are all independent and all have their own rules for posting and commenting. You will find that some communities allow things you find offensive, you will find that some communities ban things you find benign, this is decentralization in action.
If you consider yourself to be a leftist, you will find friends on the "tankie instances" (I can't speak to lemmygrad, I've never interacted with them).
There are also instances that have defederated with .world, because they find it to be offensive.
Blahaj is one of the instances I generally find to be enjoyable personally.
Edit: Just wanted to add, I've had comments modded on hexbear and on .world, remember the rules of the instance you're visiting.
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Khlo - 11mon
So basically they're just reaaallllyyy far left? Here's the thing, I call myself a lefty, liberal, and progressive almost interchangeably. I don't think I'd fit in there because obviously tiananmen square happened, and obviously what's happening with Uyghur people is a goddamn travesty.
On top of that, while I think on paper communism sounds nice, in practice that's not really the case.
That's not really the issue. The issue is that hexbear allows and condones harassment and bullying. They also have a lot of "tankies" which are people who defend dictatorships and genocide.
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cm0002 @lemmy.world - 11mon
because obviously tiananmen square happened, and obviously what's happening with Uyghur people is a goddamn travesty.
That one sentence would get removed and likely a comm ban on any of the Tankie Triad. .ml would remove it under their catchall "Rule 1: Bigotry"
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Blaze (he/him) - 11mon
cute custom emojis but I’ve since learned that blahaj has some
Oooo there's a bit here to read. Reading it now, thank you!
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cm0002 @lemmy.world - 11mon
That's over a year old and you can't trust it because it's on .ml, the instance known to remove all dissenting voices be it against .ml itself or China/Russia
Khlo in main
I'm trans and new to Lemmy. Can I have some lore on what's going on with Hexbear?
I'm posting because originally when I was looking to create a Lemmy account I came across Hexbear. I read the code of conduct and TOS and to me it seemed like a great fit for me. However, after creating an account there, it seems pretty defederated.
Anyway I was curious on the happenings over there, because they have some cute custom emojis over there... but if there's a reason they're so defederated, I might just pretend i never made an account there
EDIT: omg I just found out this instance has cute blob emojis too :3 https://blahaj.zone/files/94f34486-e39e-404b-b605-b7be9dc95426
Ok, this isn't really blahaj related and I think it has run its course.
They are tankies. They like China and Russia because they're supposedly communist and ignore all the human rights violations.
It's hilarious, because no good communist would call Russia and the CCP communism.
I was thinking to myself isn't Russia today decidedly not communism
It’s not, and literally no one on those instances thinks that it is.
They defend it to their dying breath though
They... dont. Pointing out why the war happened, and wanting the war to end: understanding that the only way for the war to end being through negotiations where Ukraine gives up things, and therefore saying that Ukraine should negotiate and end the war, can to some look like defending Russia, it is not.
It's amazing that when faced with sober geopolitical analysis, people mistake it for moral justification or dehumanization. You can't solve geopolitical issues without acknowledging geopolitics! Of course it was immoral for Russia to attack Ukraine, but shouting that into the void and expecting anything to change does not save Ukrainian or Russian lives.
Show me one single example of it, then. You can’t, because they don’t.
The top comment in this thread has no idea what they are talking about and I would not take them seriously. The communist opinions on China and Russia are so much more nuanced than they give credit for. Explaining them would actually take me hours to write but you can go there and ask. They will be forthcoming and genuine as long as you are.
Literally no one thinks post-1991 Russia is communist. Show me a single example.
True but I've also seen quite a few ml users defend russia invading ukraine and calling ukrainians vermin etc
Edit: That is to say, it's easy to think they think russia is communist when they celebrate them killing civilians as some sort of victory against imperialism
More "Insist the human rights violations are capitalist/western/CIA propaganda used to fuel a culture war". Which like yeah, the most effective propaganda is the truth and all that...
Lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, and hexbear are the 3 most well known instances to house pro CCP and Putin loyalists
I'd recommend just blocking those 3 as you'll generally have a better time on the fediverse.
If you check !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com you'll find that the moderators themselves are the reasons why those instances are toxic
Also !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Hexbear, Lemmygrad, .ml are all part of the Tankie Triad. The real rules are all unwritten and you'll never know them till your posts get removed and you're banned
Their support for trans is paper thin at best, this is what Nutomic, head dev, biggest Tankie and lead admin of .ml has to say about the trans community
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ce3cc569-a041-4698-b004-7b7b7e75df7a.webp
I know some of the lore but people have already answered that, so give you my experience, I joined it see what it's like, I reported something that broke there ToS, I was then thrown on a community called "dunk tank" or something like that.
I was new to lemmy and it said in what I thought messages was that I got a message and then I responded to it
Apparently it's against that community rules to respond to it
I was permanently banned
So, yeah hexbear is capitalist bootlickers who mask them selfs as communists.
Although tbh. Lemmy.world seems very capitalist loving but at least I don't get instant banned because I'm new. Never had any problems with Lemmy.ml in my experience, but also I have some problems with shit just works (or whatever its called)
They are absolutely not capitalist bootlickers thats a wild ass take. I'm sorry they were mean to you, they got rid of the dunk_tank recently, though there was some drama about it and some communities popped up that essentially mimic it in a slightly less rude way. I've never found a community more accepting and understanding when you come to them in good faith and don't say anything stupid about communism bc they will dog on you for that.
Oh yea like rightful and fair criticism of the CCP's human rights violations or Putler's unprovoked war
Just "stupid" things lol
And North Korea and Libya as well.
They just love to simp for dictators all over the world as long as they say they're, "for the people."
Not always true about the good faith. If you go against their core beliefs like "left unity" even outside their spaces, you can get in their shit list and get piled on. Happened to me in my own instance community.
There is an account with that name on hexbear, it has a completely blank modlog, or are you talking about some other account?
Hexbear is a instance run by communist that some people hate because we can be a bit loud and snarky about our politics. Super trans friendly though 👍
Edit: they are indeed heavily defederated which is why I choose to use a lemmy.ml account most of the time. I get to interact with them and most everyone else.
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9131bce7-bfbd-4550-9c20-e1e9c5a4635d.webp
^ Yea sure bud
Tankies = Authoritarian "Communists"
Nutomic has an instance ban on Hexbear. Otherwise it’s generally a bit of a sore point between them and ML/the devs that nutomic’s around at all.
I can't see cm0002's post here from lemmy.ml, but I want to point out that nutomic was banned from hexbear because of those statements.
Edit: cm0002 has responded to me with bullshit, I don't care.
I do not know who either of those people are or what statements you refer to. I stay out of most of their drama
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21641836/12770035
tldr: Nutomic (one of the main developers of lemmy, and therefore an admin on lemmy.ml) was transphobic.
Damn what a loser, does dessalines still associate with them?
I think so. Nutomic is still a dev
Thats really unfortunate, I thought they'd be better than that
There's plenty more evidence of y'all's behavior across the categories
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works (but you can't see that one from .ml because .ml admins don't want you see it (talk about censorship))
And !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Hexbear was one of the earliest servers that is now part of the fediverse. It was started after chapo trap house was banned from Reddit.
Users there realized the danger of the rich being able to shut down online leftist spaces well before the first waves of reddit exodus.
They do not put up with the slightest whiff of transphobic bullshit and moderate & ban that crap swiftly.
You may hear some weird takes on the US's global adversaries, but you won't have to put up with weird takes on the US.
It's a tankie space where people simp for authoritarian governments.
I'm not trans so I never had reason to go down this particular rabbithole, but I remember when I first I joined the platform there was some kind of commotion around Hexbear and nobody wanting to be federated with em because of their supposedly weird tankie politics. I've never seen any tangible evidence of this (insert lack of rabbithole following here), but reading the comments, there seems to be two stories and now I'm really curious what you find out here.
I'm not trans, but I can say that no matter the various reasons, my personal one was simple:
Everytime someone replied to one of my comments with the most asinine, absurd or just downright stupid asshole approaches, it was always hexbear.
Literally a sigh of relief when Lemmy added personal instance blocking. Immediately hit that button and never looked back.
I'll report back with my findings!
Did a little spelunking and investigating, kinda leaning towards them all being tankies. At least in the few things I glanced at, there wasn't anything extreme or over-the-top, but they also seemed quite happy to ban a user for very minor criticisms of the Orange Cunt and the instance mods also mod a looot of communism and CCP related communities, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Toying with making an account and posting a certain controversial image just to see what happens
Which user?
Could it be that they are communists, leftists (i.e. anti-capitalist)... as they declared themselves?
Since you are being vauge, I'm not sure which one you are talking about. But either you will be banned, probably for racism (implying a chinese person is yellow), or you will be given books and links to read/watch up on.
It's not particularly hard to guess what image I'm referring to given the context of the thread, lol
Hint: It was taken in 1989
Lemmy instances are all independent and all have their own rules for posting and commenting. You will find that some communities allow things you find offensive, you will find that some communities ban things you find benign, this is decentralization in action.
If you consider yourself to be a leftist, you will find friends on the "tankie instances" (I can't speak to lemmygrad, I've never interacted with them).
There are also instances that have defederated with .world, because they find it to be offensive.
Blahaj is one of the instances I generally find to be enjoyable personally.
Edit: Just wanted to add, I've had comments modded on hexbear and on .world, remember the rules of the instance you're visiting.
So basically they're just reaaallllyyy far left? Here's the thing, I call myself a lefty, liberal, and progressive almost interchangeably. I don't think I'd fit in there because obviously tiananmen square happened, and obviously what's happening with Uyghur people is a goddamn travesty.
On top of that, while I think on paper communism sounds nice, in practice that's not really the case.
Also, one of the things that bummed me out was losing access to cute custom emojis but I've since learned that blahaj has some https://blahaj.zone/files/827efa65-3822-4320-8c2b-6feee478aabd
That's not really the issue. The issue is that hexbear allows and condones harassment and bullying. They also have a lot of "tankies" which are people who defend dictatorships and genocide.
That one sentence would get removed and likely a comm ban on any of the Tankie Triad. .ml would remove it under their catchall "Rule 1: Bigotry"
Blahaj could have you covered on that side!
Yep. They're pretty much far left.
https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/045e419b-be25-4e9c-a850-ab2b444fd1a8.jpeg
That's a damn accurate pic describing those communities in a nutshell.
They just love simping for dictators as long as those dictators say they're "for the people" as they're committing crimes against humanity.
There's an explanation for you to read: https://lemmy.world/post/1084297
Oooo there's a bit here to read. Reading it now, thank you!
That's over a year old and you can't trust it because it's on .ml, the instance known to remove all dissenting voices be it against .ml itself or China/Russia
Yeah don't trust that source
something something 🇷🇺 🇨🇳 🪖 or whatever...