I haven't gotten my CIA paycheck yet, what's the number for CIA HR(ule)?
mehdi_benadel @lemmy.balamb.fr - 11mon
Why do I see more anti tankie posts than tankie posts
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Deestan @lemmy.world - 11mon
People here complain about tankies and ban the shit out of them if they start defending dictators so you will naturally see only the anti side.
People on lemmy.world complain about tankies, and tankies complain about being yelled at for merely supporting deportations, murder, terror bombings and crimes against humanity.
People on lemmy.ml/memes complain about being called tankes to other tankies. They agree that every country between USA and Moscow is a puppet state of the CIA and Putler did nothing wrong. Back pats and handjobs all around.
Follow all three for a good time!
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JayDee @lemmy.world - 11mon
You're on blahaj, which has lemmy.ml, hexbear, and Lemmy grad all defederated. Obvi seems some of the users here are also browsing LM instances.
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mehdi_benadel @lemmy.balamb.fr - 11mon
I'm not on blahaj
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JayDee @lemmy.world - 11mon
Oh my bad, I misread the domain extension. I could see "Lemmy.bal-" and then it cuts off on Voyager. I read that as ".bla-"
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cm0002 @lemmy.world - 11mon
.ml tankies are more subtle, generally sticking to posting their wonderful takes in the comments rather than overt posts, though they do that to, just check out yogthos's wonderful posts over on .ml
Hexbear/Grad are generally more in your face about it, which is why many instances defed from them a lot easier. It's also likely that .ml is more subtle about it to prevent a wider defed movement from taking place like what happened with Hexbear and grad
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Gork @lemm.ee - 11mon
One thing I don't understand is how they treat liberals as some sort of boogeyman. Like, I get that the Democratic establishment is a bit shit because they carry corporate water most of the time, but they are leagues better than the alt-right Republicans who are currently dismantling the entire system in favor of an oligarchy.
If anything, they should be sympathetic instead of antagonistic. But perhaps this is a way to drive a wedge between the coalitions on the left? But for what purpose?
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peregrin5 @lemm.ee - 11mon
Most tankies are accelerationists. They likely voted Trump not because they like him but because they believe he will accelerate the collapse of the US and they can have their communist revolution faster.
To that end it works in their favor to attack liberals whose goal is to prevent collapse of the current system because they know it will put marginalized communities at the most risk if that does happen.
Tankies are class reductionists and don't care about marginalized communities except when they can use them as a cudgel against liberals. After they achieve their goal they drop their cause entirely. See how silent they are about Gaza now that Democrats were successfully kept out of power despite the fact Palestinians are at far more risk now.
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CodexArcanum - 11mon
Because the bots/trolls/feds have shifted over to driving a wedge between leftists to keep solidarity from occurring. Thus "tankie" is being thrown around heavily, people constantly bring up early Soviet support of the nazis as a reason to say "tankie=nazi" while ignoring that tankies (sue me, it's a real term that has uses) is a broad term for all "authoritarian fascists," many of whom came after the nazis, were very anti-nazi, and like all historical figures often had a mix of good and bad qualities.
Certainly its funny to harp on tankies while America falls to literal fascism. Who ever could benefit from scape goating and demonizing communists? Who historically, poetically even, is the famous first victim of fascism due to the strong threat they represent?
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cm0002 @lemmy.world - 11mon
Tankie=Authoritarian Leftists.
Many of us have no problems with socialism or the theory of communism. But all current examples, such as China or Russia, are of Authoritarian regimes with a history of human rights violations from genocide to suppression of free press and free speech and deserving of criticism as such
I for one would love to see the fall of capitalism in my lifetime, but not at the sacrifice of the rights of privacy, freedom of speech and many others
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Cait - 11mon
There cant be driven a wedge where there is no connection. Tankies aren't leftist.
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Clent @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 11mon
Tankies are to leftist as the right are to law and order. They may each claim they are these things but are clearly not from an outside perspective. They each attempting to redefine the meanings and deride all others for not fitting their definition.
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inv3r5ion @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 11mon
Because it’s weird ass inorganic posting to divide a leftist community, conveniently right after some weird ass mod shit went down.
It’s so obvious.
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cm0002 @lemmy.world - 11mon
Damn you got me! I'm just a bot and def not a human user who's against authoritarianism regardless of if it's a right wing flavor or left wing flavor or anything
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mehdi_benadel @lemmy.balamb.fr - 11mon
You should read about Authoritarianism. It's been a while we consider in sociology it can only be right wing, because left wing people doing authoritarian shit are ultimately using right wing train of thought and rethoric.
China and Russia's history are no exception.
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anton - 11mon
Even if you believe that authoritarian left is an oxymoron, it's easier to label them as such, then to argue to everyone that they are right wing, while they cover themselves in the colors and symbols of the left.
It's really a question of when to use nuance and when to make strong statements with getting bogged down in semantics.
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mehdi_benadel @lemmy.balamb.fr - 11mon
It's not a question of semantics. This discourse is used again and again to push people to not advocate for the common good, because god forbid they sometimes end up doing selfish things, so "might as well be a selfish prick with the other side".
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Not_mikey @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 11mon
There are like 5 people who post 90% of the content on lemmy. Cm0002 is one of them and really hates tankies / anyone to the left of them.
Most of the content on the "tankie triad" is general left wing anti-us stuff. Occasionally they'll be some post praising China then some liberal will comment something about tianemen square or uyghurs, get banned , and then complain that the whole instance is full of genocide apologists.
It's not like there are regular posts praising Kim jung un or maduro like the liberals make it out to be. There are a decent amount shitting on liberals, like the reverse of this post, which perpetuates this dumb instance war. It'd be best if it stopped as were all "radical leftists" in The eyes of the rest of society and were gonna need some sort of solidarity to accomplish the 90% of things we agree on.
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Turret3857 @infosec.pub - 11mon
I had an account on .ml that I made a few years ago back when lemmy was in it's infancy, and I came on to actually use lemmy when shit hit the fan with the Reddit third party API thing so I had missed all of the shit leading up to the instance wars. I was fucking floored as to why so many people were hostile towards me and had someone call me a tankie over saying the US needed more gun control. Thats when I had had enough and switched instances with a new name. I dont understand most of the instance drama myself, people are not their instances and will have opinions regardless. I picked mine at random from a list.
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AItoothbrush - 11mon
You dont scroll on all
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mehdi_benadel @lemmy.balamb.fr - 11mon
I do, I run my own server and post on others.
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AItoothbrush - 11mon
Idk when i scroll on all, its so much tankie bs.
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skillissuer @discuss.tchncs.de - 11mon
1-800-CIA-TIPS is now 1-800-CHAT-GPT, sorry
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YarHarSuperstar @lemmy.world - 11mon
Mind blown
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ekZepp - 11mon
Didn't I liked this already? Nevermind, is worth two likes anyway.
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Val - 11mon
Still focusing on tankies while fascists are actively dismantling the US Government. Lol. Lmao even.
cm0002 in 196
I haven't gotten my CIA paycheck yet, what's the number for CIA HR(ule)?
Why do I see more anti tankie posts than tankie posts
People here complain about tankies and ban the shit out of them if they start defending dictators so you will naturally see only the anti side.
People on lemmy.world complain about tankies, and tankies complain about being yelled at for merely supporting deportations, murder, terror bombings and crimes against humanity.
People on lemmy.ml/memes complain about being called tankes to other tankies. They agree that every country between USA and Moscow is a puppet state of the CIA and Putler did nothing wrong. Back pats and handjobs all around.
Follow all three for a good time!
You're on blahaj, which has lemmy.ml, hexbear, and Lemmy grad all defederated. Obvi seems some of the users here are also browsing LM instances.
I'm not on blahaj
Oh my bad, I misread the domain extension. I could see "Lemmy.bal-" and then it cuts off on Voyager. I read that as ".bla-"
.ml tankies are more subtle, generally sticking to posting their wonderful takes in the comments rather than overt posts, though they do that to, just check out yogthos's wonderful posts over on .ml
Hexbear/Grad are generally more in your face about it, which is why many instances defed from them a lot easier. It's also likely that .ml is more subtle about it to prevent a wider defed movement from taking place like what happened with Hexbear and grad
One thing I don't understand is how they treat liberals as some sort of boogeyman. Like, I get that the Democratic establishment is a bit shit because they carry corporate water most of the time, but they are leagues better than the alt-right Republicans who are currently dismantling the entire system in favor of an oligarchy.
If anything, they should be sympathetic instead of antagonistic. But perhaps this is a way to drive a wedge between the coalitions on the left? But for what purpose?
Most tankies are accelerationists. They likely voted Trump not because they like him but because they believe he will accelerate the collapse of the US and they can have their communist revolution faster.
To that end it works in their favor to attack liberals whose goal is to prevent collapse of the current system because they know it will put marginalized communities at the most risk if that does happen.
Tankies are class reductionists and don't care about marginalized communities except when they can use them as a cudgel against liberals. After they achieve their goal they drop their cause entirely. See how silent they are about Gaza now that Democrats were successfully kept out of power despite the fact Palestinians are at far more risk now.
Because the bots/trolls/feds have shifted over to driving a wedge between leftists to keep solidarity from occurring. Thus "tankie" is being thrown around heavily, people constantly bring up early Soviet support of the nazis as a reason to say "tankie=nazi" while ignoring that tankies (sue me, it's a real term that has uses) is a broad term for all "authoritarian fascists," many of whom came after the nazis, were very anti-nazi, and like all historical figures often had a mix of good and bad qualities.
Certainly its funny to harp on tankies while America falls to literal fascism. Who ever could benefit from scape goating and demonizing communists? Who historically, poetically even, is the famous first victim of fascism due to the strong threat they represent?
Tankie=Authoritarian Leftists.
Many of us have no problems with socialism or the theory of communism. But all current examples, such as China or Russia, are of Authoritarian regimes with a history of human rights violations from genocide to suppression of free press and free speech and deserving of criticism as such
I for one would love to see the fall of capitalism in my lifetime, but not at the sacrifice of the rights of privacy, freedom of speech and many others
There cant be driven a wedge where there is no connection. Tankies aren't leftist.
Tankies are to leftist as the right are to law and order. They may each claim they are these things but are clearly not from an outside perspective. They each attempting to redefine the meanings and deride all others for not fitting their definition.
Because it’s weird ass inorganic posting to divide a leftist community, conveniently right after some weird ass mod shit went down.
It’s so obvious.
Damn you got me! I'm just a bot and def not a human user who's against authoritarianism regardless of if it's a right wing flavor or left wing flavor or anything
You should read about Authoritarianism. It's been a while we consider in sociology it can only be right wing, because left wing people doing authoritarian shit are ultimately using right wing train of thought and rethoric. China and Russia's history are no exception.
Even if you believe that authoritarian left is an oxymoron, it's easier to label them as such, then to argue to everyone that they are right wing, while they cover themselves in the colors and symbols of the left.
It's really a question of when to use nuance and when to make strong statements with getting bogged down in semantics.
It's not a question of semantics. This discourse is used again and again to push people to not advocate for the common good, because god forbid they sometimes end up doing selfish things, so "might as well be a selfish prick with the other side".
There are like 5 people who post 90% of the content on lemmy. Cm0002 is one of them and really hates tankies / anyone to the left of them.
Most of the content on the "tankie triad" is general left wing anti-us stuff. Occasionally they'll be some post praising China then some liberal will comment something about tianemen square or uyghurs, get banned , and then complain that the whole instance is full of genocide apologists.
It's not like there are regular posts praising Kim jung un or maduro like the liberals make it out to be. There are a decent amount shitting on liberals, like the reverse of this post, which perpetuates this dumb instance war. It'd be best if it stopped as were all "radical leftists" in The eyes of the rest of society and were gonna need some sort of solidarity to accomplish the 90% of things we agree on.
I had an account on .ml that I made a few years ago back when lemmy was in it's infancy, and I came on to actually use lemmy when shit hit the fan with the Reddit third party API thing so I had missed all of the shit leading up to the instance wars. I was fucking floored as to why so many people were hostile towards me and had someone call me a tankie over saying the US needed more gun control. Thats when I had had enough and switched instances with a new name. I dont understand most of the instance drama myself, people are not their instances and will have opinions regardless. I picked mine at random from a list.
You dont scroll on all
I do, I run my own server and post on others.
Idk when i scroll on all, its so much tankie bs.
1-800-CIA-TIPS is now 1-800-CHAT-GPT, sorry
Mind blown
Didn't I liked this already? Nevermind, is worth two likes anyway.
Still focusing on tankies while fascists are actively dismantling the US Government. Lol. Lmao even.
"who do I want pointing a gun at my head today?"
Haha, new phone, who dis