He has risen (in a cold sweat, hoping it was all a bad dream)
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lazynooblet - 12mon
Lemmy feels like this at times.
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joelfromaus @aussie.zone - 12mon
That “at times” is doing a lot of lifting.
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buttfarts @lemy.lol - 12mon
Lemmy feels like wet underwear but its like warm wet so if you just kinda go with it and forget that it feels weird then you're not actually uncomfortable.
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lazynooblet - 12mon
That's a really great description, I'm going to use that for things in the future
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JadenSmith @sh.itjust.works - 12mon
I use Windows, but for the Win12 beta Microsoft asked for my firstborn son as a sacrificial offering.
I mean I didn't like him anyway, but I just thought that was a bit weird.
The nVidia drivers seem decent though.
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pyre @lemmy.world - 12mon
with the retail price though only one kid seems like a bargain tbf
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Honytawk @lemmy.zip - 12mon
It really feels like that here on Lemmy.
I get it, it is a great OS. But thinking it is for everyone is just plain stupid.
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porous_grey_matter @lemmy.ml - 12mon
For everyone? I agree, that's silly. It's definitely suitable for more than the tiny fraction of people who use it though
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MidsizedSedan @lemmy.world - 12mon
Im 99% sure i can give some distors to my family, and they wont notice a difference.
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Honytawk @lemmy.zip - 12mon
Sure, because they have someone like you.
Most families don't have that luxury. If their OS breaks, they bring it back to the shop.
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comfydecal @infosec.pub - 12mon
Hackintosh enters the room
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e8d79 @discuss.tchncs.de - 12mon
With MacOS support for x86 probably ending really soon I don't expect Hackintosh' being long for this world.
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Norah (pup/it/she) - 12mon
There are translation layers for ARM on x86. Waydroid uses them for example.
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comfydecal @infosec.pub - 12mon
What a wild build setup
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kibiz0r @midwest.social - 12mon
M-shaped laser sight stays trained on its forehead
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comfydecal @infosec.pub - 12mon
Lol
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DragonsInARoom @lemmy.world - 12mon
Dev friendly, not user friendly
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ZILtoid1991 @lemmy.world - 12mon
I also doubt the dev friendliness. GUIs are a godsend for software development.
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frazorth @feddit.uk - 12mon
I've been using a GUI on Linux for a very long time.
Its the easiest way to have multiple command prompts...
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RaccoonBall @lemm.ee - 12mon
Hell the X11 GUI predates Linux itself by a decade
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GoodEye8 @lemm.ee - 12mon
User friendly is pretty vague but if we're talking about the average user who uses the computer to browse the web, play some games on Steam with friends and do some document editing that is all covered. Linux Mint would be an excellent option. The installation is arguably easier than Windows (because you won't get all those pesky telemetry and data gathering questions), visually it looks and functions similarly to Windows, most standard software is handled by a package manager so no using terminal to install things and the distro prefers stability and ease of access over fancy bells and whistles.
If there are any user issues they're most likely because of third party developer not properly supporting Linux and there's nothing Linux can do. One example is anti-cheat for games. You can't play Riot games on Linux simply because their anti-cheat won't allow you to play their games on Linux and there's nothing Linux devs can do about it.
I don't know when was the last time you used Linux but I'd say the user experience has definitely improved in the last 10 years. It's gotten to a point where I'm actually willing to recommend Linux to users whose needs I'm familiar with and know they not going to have some weird needs that need the use of a terminal.
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rockSlayer @lemmy.world - 12mon
I use LFS, btw
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lugal @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 12mon
Not to flex but I use ubuntu by the way 🤓
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asudox - 12mon
I use arch btw
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lugal @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 12mon
Arch is soo mainstream
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Pero (rip lemm.ee) - 12mon
Nahh, Mint is where's the shit at, bois 😏
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MidsizedSedan @lemmy.world - 12mon
If Arch is so good, then why is there no Arch 2?
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daggermoon @lemmy.world - 12mon
It's called Manjaro, and yes the sequel is always worse.
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maria [she/her] - 12mon
yeah, might aswell use windows at that point. Or use telegram. Or use threads... /s
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Lem Jukes - 12mon
Steam OS in the corner thinking “they don’t know…”
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WereCat @lemmy.world - 12mon
Steam OS is just Linux though
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Lem Jukes - 12mon
Richard Stallman bursts through the wall”IVE NEVER INSTALLED GNU/LINUX!”
To actually answer you: Linux itself isn’t what most computer users would understand as an ‘operating system’. GNU/Linux is a family of software packages that are used to build an operating system but there is no ‘Linux OS’ the way there is Windows. And SteamOS is poised to be the best shot at significantly increasing the market share of gnu/Linux based operating systems in the general population. The steam deck is basically just the pilot program for the full release of an OS what, a decade in the making? That said, most people aren’t really going to care let alone understand the nuances of Linux/gnu/foss/kernals/etc. and so Steam OS, though a distro build on GNu/Linux technology, is going to look like its own thing to most outside observers.
If this is flawed please feel free to correct me!
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TheObviousSolution @lemm.ee - 12mon
It only has one weakness, you just have to ask it which distro.
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festnt @sh.itjust.works - 12mon
::: spoiler any popular one
like arch!
:::
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maria [she/her] - 12mon
well, how did you chose your instance?
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Sidhean @lemmy.world - 12mon
Haha good comic. Linus really speaks the truth when wondows says that haha funni.
I use Mint btw
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SaharaMaleikuhm @feddit.org - 12mon
I should try this tactic to attract some femboi to install gentoo for me or have they moved on to NixOS by now?
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smiletolerantly @awful.systems - 12mon
Can confirm, moved to NixOS.
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Diplomjodler - 12mon
Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?
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Doomsider @lemmy.world - 12mon
Ah yes, because those bearing the uncomfortable truth must be crazy. That was so funny I forgot to laugh.
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PlainSimpleGarak @lemmings.world - 12mon
You are the living embodiment of Lemmy.
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Doomsider @lemmy.world - 12mon
Please, this was washed a decade ago.
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ZILtoid1991 @lemmy.world - 12mon
I'm dev friendly
Debuggers run in command line, making them less accessable to the average person, so they need to learn the commands to get it running.
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smiletolerantly @awful.systems - 12mon
Same is true for Windows.
Frankly you cannot get around the command line when developing.
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racemaniac @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 12mon
Doesn't that very much depend on the language and the IDE? In visual studio i don't need to touch the command line for a debugger, it'l do all of that for me behind the scenes, which is the point of an IDE.
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smiletolerantly @awful.systems - 12mon
Hm, yeah, if you have an IDE made for your language, I suppose you can get around it for most things. (But that is not Windows-specific, most of those exist for Linux as well, after all).
Still, I have (for example) not worked in any project yet that did not have some bash scripts to automate project-specific tasks. Ireonically, the only person using a full-blown IDE in my team is also an absolute crack at the CLI.
I know those are anecdotal, but I would still maintain that it is very difficult to completely get around the CLI, and frankly, I do not see the benefit of doing so. An IDE is esssentially a nice wrapper around tons of CLI tools, and being able to use and understand them can only be beneficial.
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racemaniac @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 12mon
Then do some C# development in Visual studio, and you'll see how to develop while never touching the commandline ;) (but of course you could do some things via command line if you really want to) Everything from creating project to running & debugging to building & deploying, all via the IDE
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smiletolerantly @awful.systems - 12mon
Thanks, but for the little C# I need to write I'll stick with nvim :D (Yeah yeah I know)
Incidentally, when I started to learn programming, I definitely was using an IDE (I can honestly not remember which one - I was following some book which included the setup of the IDE and instructions for that IDE only).
But even back then it always bugged me that I did not know what was going on in the background. When a button did not do what the book said it would do, that would turn into frustration because I could not understand what had happened, or why something failed. Sure, part of that was just inexperience, but even today, I easily despair at GUIs.
I could for example never get started with Godot because my brain just does not connect all the checkboxes and sliders with what is happening in the background. Bevy, on the other hand, was super easy to pick up precisely because there is no GUI.
Maybe I am just weird.
(Also I do not want to discourage anyone from using GUI tools, I originally just commented to support the "Linux is dev friendly" statement)
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ZILtoid1991 @lemmy.world - 12mon
Most Windows debuggers have a GUI, including Microsoft's own offerings, and even 3rd party ones (I use RemedyBG) have one.
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smiletolerantly @awful.systems - 12mon
Fair, but for those there presumably is a CLI as well? And conversely, what is stopping you from using a GUI debugger onLinux?
I was more thinking along the lines: you'd be hardpressed to find a debugger that does not have a CLI
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thepiguy @lemmy.ml - 12mon
It seems you have not typed in "gui" when using lldb via cli. Also, people use cli debuggers because they want to. Everything has a gui, jetbrains happens to make some of the best ones, based on top of cli debuggers like lldb.
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repungnant_canary @lemmy.world - 12mon
If you have an IDE (or even VSCode) you can have graphical debugger just fine
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maria [she/her] - 12mon
Real question: does any windows user actually like the OS?
I sometimes disagree with decisions made with GNOME, but at least I know was not made by a company, thus not made for profit and also it's Foss. And that always outweighs these bad decisions.
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sem - 12mon
There are parts of it I like more and more.
The fact that it mostly just works. That very little important has changed since Windows 95 when it comes to the core user experience.
When they tried changing things (Vista, Windows 8 "Metro") users revolted, and the following versions were more conservative and popular (Windows 7, Win 10).
Who knows, maybe internally they've decided on a bimodal release cycle:
Break stuff, make changes.
Return to nostalgia (but refine and keep the priority targets).
Maybe it's like a relationship with an abusive partner. They hurt you (privacy violations, desktop advertisements, etc., ) but then they make up, and make it hard to live without them.
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Excrubulent @slrpnk.net - 12mon
I hate it, but as a person with a lot of technical requirements on my software and system, there are use cases that I simply cannot use linux for. I'm developing a mod for Satisfactory right now, and a conversation I saw in the community was about how nobody has ever gotten the dev environment running in linux. That and other use cases make it virtually impossible for me to switch.
And dual booting is a non-starter. I'm not going to reboot my entire system just to check my email because I don't trust windows with my login details. That's absurd. I need access to those things all the time and I'm not going to keep a second high-maintenance system on hand out of a sense of principle.
Virtualising is also a non-starter because I need every little bit of performance I can get out of my machine, and again, operating a second high maintenance system which the original system now sits atop an extra stack which itself requires maintenance... yeah, no, I have things that need to be done. If one day I can afford to have a second gaming machine set up to tinker with then maybe, but that's asking a lot.
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werefreeatlast @lemmy.world - 12mon
That is exactly how my situation at work is like with a co worker or mine. Why can't others see what a piece of shit that guy is? And on top of that I gotta praise him too? Fuck! And he's fucking the CEO's daughter... Fucking nepotism. Next thing I know he gets to run the company. Whatever.
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Duamerthrax @lemmy.world - 12mon
I'm not collecting data.
such cringe.
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Norah (pup/it/she) - 12mon
how so?
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maria [she/her] - 12mon
:o
YOU!
u changed ur pronouns! /pos
:o now u have the pup :oo - big fan >v<
oh yes also blablabla GNU/Linux gud, winblows bad, blablabla i use fedora bkablabla who cares
Clbull in 196
Rule
Somewhere, the one remaining user of Temple OS just woke up in a cold sweat.
That user's name? Jesus Christ.
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/be13bb61-59db-40fb-b99b-e5095b25fb62.jpeg
Christ, he's back.
He has risen (in a cold sweat, hoping it was all a bad dream)
Lemmy feels like this at times.
That “at times” is doing a lot of lifting.
Lemmy feels like wet underwear but its like warm wet so if you just kinda go with it and forget that it feels weird then you're not actually uncomfortable.
That's a really great description, I'm going to use that for things in the future
I use Windows, but for the Win12 beta Microsoft asked for my firstborn son as a sacrificial offering.
I mean I didn't like him anyway, but I just thought that was a bit weird.
The nVidia drivers seem decent though.
with the retail price though only one kid seems like a bargain tbf
It really feels like that here on Lemmy.
I get it, it is a great OS. But thinking it is for everyone is just plain stupid.
For everyone? I agree, that's silly. It's definitely suitable for more than the tiny fraction of people who use it though
Im 99% sure i can give some distors to my family, and they wont notice a difference.
Sure, because they have someone like you.
Most families don't have that luxury. If their OS breaks, they bring it back to the shop.
Hackintosh enters the room
With MacOS support for x86 probably ending really soon I don't expect Hackintosh' being long for this world.
There are translation layers for ARM on x86. Waydroid uses them for example.
What a wild build setup
M-shaped laser sight stays trained on its forehead
Lol
Dev friendly, not user friendly
I also doubt the dev friendliness. GUIs are a godsend for software development.
I've been using a GUI on Linux for a very long time.
Its the easiest way to have multiple command prompts...
Hell the X11 GUI predates Linux itself by a decade
User friendly is pretty vague but if we're talking about the average user who uses the computer to browse the web, play some games on Steam with friends and do some document editing that is all covered. Linux Mint would be an excellent option. The installation is arguably easier than Windows (because you won't get all those pesky telemetry and data gathering questions), visually it looks and functions similarly to Windows, most standard software is handled by a package manager so no using terminal to install things and the distro prefers stability and ease of access over fancy bells and whistles.
If there are any user issues they're most likely because of third party developer not properly supporting Linux and there's nothing Linux can do. One example is anti-cheat for games. You can't play Riot games on Linux simply because their anti-cheat won't allow you to play their games on Linux and there's nothing Linux devs can do about it.
I don't know when was the last time you used Linux but I'd say the user experience has definitely improved in the last 10 years. It's gotten to a point where I'm actually willing to recommend Linux to users whose needs I'm familiar with and know they not going to have some weird needs that need the use of a terminal.
I use LFS, btw
Not to flex but I use ubuntu by the way 🤓
I use arch btw
Arch is soo mainstream
Nahh, Mint is where's the shit at, bois 😏
If Arch is so good, then why is there no Arch 2?
It's called Manjaro, and yes the sequel is always worse.
yeah, might aswell use windows at that point. Or use telegram. Or use threads... /s
Steam OS in the corner thinking “they don’t know…”
Steam OS is just Linux though
Richard Stallman bursts through the wall ”IVE NEVER INSTALLED GNU/LINUX!”
To actually answer you: Linux itself isn’t what most computer users would understand as an ‘operating system’. GNU/Linux is a family of software packages that are used to build an operating system but there is no ‘Linux OS’ the way there is Windows. And SteamOS is poised to be the best shot at significantly increasing the market share of gnu/Linux based operating systems in the general population. The steam deck is basically just the pilot program for the full release of an OS what, a decade in the making? That said, most people aren’t really going to care let alone understand the nuances of Linux/gnu/foss/kernals/etc. and so Steam OS, though a distro build on GNu/Linux technology, is going to look like its own thing to most outside observers.
If this is flawed please feel free to correct me!
It only has one weakness, you just have to ask it which distro.
::: spoiler any popular one like arch! :::
well, how did you chose your instance?
Haha good comic. Linus really speaks the truth when wondows says that haha funni.
I use Mint btw
I should try this tactic to attract some femboi to install gentoo for me or have they moved on to NixOS by now?
Can confirm, moved to NixOS.
Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?
Ah yes, because those bearing the uncomfortable truth must be crazy. That was so funny I forgot to laugh.
You are the living embodiment of Lemmy.
Please, this was washed a decade ago.
Debuggers run in command line, making them less accessable to the average person, so they need to learn the commands to get it running.
Same is true for Windows.
Frankly you cannot get around the command line when developing.
Doesn't that very much depend on the language and the IDE? In visual studio i don't need to touch the command line for a debugger, it'l do all of that for me behind the scenes, which is the point of an IDE.
Hm, yeah, if you have an IDE made for your language, I suppose you can get around it for most things. (But that is not Windows-specific, most of those exist for Linux as well, after all).
Still, I have (for example) not worked in any project yet that did not have some bash scripts to automate project-specific tasks. Ireonically, the only person using a full-blown IDE in my team is also an absolute crack at the CLI.
I know those are anecdotal, but I would still maintain that it is very difficult to completely get around the CLI, and frankly, I do not see the benefit of doing so. An IDE is esssentially a nice wrapper around tons of CLI tools, and being able to use and understand them can only be beneficial.
Then do some C# development in Visual studio, and you'll see how to develop while never touching the commandline ;) (but of course you could do some things via command line if you really want to) Everything from creating project to running & debugging to building & deploying, all via the IDE
Thanks, but for the little C# I need to write I'll stick with nvim :D (Yeah yeah I know)
Incidentally, when I started to learn programming, I definitely was using an IDE (I can honestly not remember which one - I was following some book which included the setup of the IDE and instructions for that IDE only).
But even back then it always bugged me that I did not know what was going on in the background. When a button did not do what the book said it would do, that would turn into frustration because I could not understand what had happened, or why something failed. Sure, part of that was just inexperience, but even today, I easily despair at GUIs.
I could for example never get started with Godot because my brain just does not connect all the checkboxes and sliders with what is happening in the background. Bevy, on the other hand, was super easy to pick up precisely because there is no GUI.
Maybe I am just weird.
(Also I do not want to discourage anyone from using GUI tools, I originally just commented to support the "Linux is dev friendly" statement)
Most Windows debuggers have a GUI, including Microsoft's own offerings, and even 3rd party ones (I use RemedyBG) have one.
Fair, but for those there presumably is a CLI as well? And conversely, what is stopping you from using a GUI debugger onLinux?
I was more thinking along the lines: you'd be hardpressed to find a debugger that does not have a CLI
It seems you have not typed in "gui" when using lldb via cli. Also, people use cli debuggers because they want to. Everything has a gui, jetbrains happens to make some of the best ones, based on top of cli debuggers like lldb.
If you have an IDE (or even VSCode) you can have graphical debugger just fine
Real question: does any windows user actually like the OS?
I sometimes disagree with decisions made with GNOME, but at least I know was not made by a company, thus not made for profit and also it's Foss. And that always outweighs these bad decisions.
There are parts of it I like more and more.
The fact that it mostly just works. That very little important has changed since Windows 95 when it comes to the core user experience.
When they tried changing things (Vista, Windows 8 "Metro") users revolted, and the following versions were more conservative and popular (Windows 7, Win 10).
Who knows, maybe internally they've decided on a bimodal release cycle:
Maybe it's like a relationship with an abusive partner. They hurt you (privacy violations, desktop advertisements, etc., ) but then they make up, and make it hard to live without them.
I hate it, but as a person with a lot of technical requirements on my software and system, there are use cases that I simply cannot use linux for. I'm developing a mod for Satisfactory right now, and a conversation I saw in the community was about how nobody has ever gotten the dev environment running in linux. That and other use cases make it virtually impossible for me to switch.
And dual booting is a non-starter. I'm not going to reboot my entire system just to check my email because I don't trust windows with my login details. That's absurd. I need access to those things all the time and I'm not going to keep a second high-maintenance system on hand out of a sense of principle.
Virtualising is also a non-starter because I need every little bit of performance I can get out of my machine, and again, operating a second high maintenance system which the original system now sits atop an extra stack which itself requires maintenance... yeah, no, I have things that need to be done. If one day I can afford to have a second gaming machine set up to tinker with then maybe, but that's asking a lot.
That is exactly how my situation at work is like with a co worker or mine. Why can't others see what a piece of shit that guy is? And on top of that I gotta praise him too? Fuck! And he's fucking the CEO's daughter... Fucking nepotism. Next thing I know he gets to run the company. Whatever.
such cringe.
how so?
:o
YOU!
u changed ur pronouns! /pos
:o now u have the
pup:oo - big fan >v<oh yes also
blablabla GNU/Linux gud, winblows bad, blablabla i use fedora bkablabla who caresIt's sarcasm.