But 95% of marketing for a more climate-friendly lifestyles is aimed at Bob.
Or to put it another way, Bob will emit roughly 15 metric tons of CO2 in his lifetime.
Shell emitted roughly 50 million tons in 2023 alone.
But let’s tel Bob he needs to change his lifestyle.
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Mr_Blott @feddit.uk - 12mon
While all true, if Bob drives a gigantic pickup, Bob can fuck right off too
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TheFriar @lemm.ee - 12mon
I mean, yeah, I get the sentiment. But continuing to fight amongst ourselves and excluding potential intraclass members from the fight before we fight the ruling class is truly a self defeating tactic.
Look at the trump movement. There are so many potential comrades. His entire lie that got people on bird was “fighting the elite.” Too many people fell for that that could truly be on our side if we tried.
I dunno. I harbor those same feelings, so I’m not trying to high road you, but we were talking about class solidarity, I just feel like we need to extend that to the rest of the people in our class that we’ve been artificially pitted against and manipulated into fighting.
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gibmiser @lemmy.world - 12mon
Focus your energy on the bigger threat
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jaybone @lemmy.world - 12mon
Reminds me of that old children’s book
Bob Rolls Coal, Coal Rolls Bob
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TheSlad @sh.itjust.works - 12mon
All of that "climate friendly lifestyle" marketing at bob is done by oil and gas companies. Are you tired of hearing about your "carbon footprint"? Good, cause its bullshit propaganda made up by big oil and gas.
There was a huge campaign to shift the blame to consumers so that people would be too busy scrutinizing themselves to scrutinize the oil and gas industry. The sad part is that it fucking worked because people are dumb.
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Diplomjodler - 12mon
It's those plastic straws! Surely we'll save the planet, once Bob stops using those.
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desktop_user [they/them] - 12mon
if we halve 6 and two third million Bobs carbon emissions per year it would do as much as getting rid of shell.
shell would probably rather kill 3.3 million Bobs per year than cease to exist.
both strategies have compelling arguments.
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TheFriar @lemm.ee - 12mon
I’m def no math person, but wouldn’t it take like 70x-800x that? Because halving the yearly emissions of someone who emits 15 metric tons in their entire lifetime vs the company emitting 50 MILLION tons every single year?
It’s early and I’m typically very bad at math, so maybe I’m wrong
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kibiz0r @midwest.social - 12mon
Right, but Shell spends that money and that stimulates the economy.
Bob sticks those food stamps in his investment account and sits on them until one of his execs gets caught doing something highly illegal and needs a $100mil early retirement package.
Selfish Bob.
Edit: /s in case it’s not obvious that I swapped the names “Bob” and “Shell”
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Frozengyro @lemmy.world - 12mon
And shell uses that 2 trillion to lower the price for consumers.
Bob gives all his money to the company execs.
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blimpkun @lemmy.zip - 12mon
Trillion? Lol, math.
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Maddier1993 @programming.dev - 12mon
lower the price for consumers
😂
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TowardsTheFuture @lemmy.zip - 12mon
some notes, the 2Bil may be misinformation, but I will instead ignore that and just use the subsidies to the oil industry.
We could give every single human living in the US (even babies) that $1500 and it would be 130b cheaper than oil subsidies according to forbes.
We could give every household in the US (127,482,865 according to US census) $5,100 for what we spend on oil subsidies yearly.
Please note those numbers are from 2015 so its likely much higher now, but a quick google didn't give me exact numbers for the US and I'm too lazy to go into that. (it would likely be closer to $7000 per household)
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Anissem @lemmy.ml - 12mon
What About Bob? is a great movie BTW.
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jaybone @lemmy.world - 12mon
Baby steps
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jaybone @lemmy.world - 12mon
Also, Bob can’t use the restroom at Shell.
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NutWrench - 12mon
Goober Nation has no problems with "socialism" when those government handouts benefit a billionaire.
Maybe when 80% of this nation is living in Trumpville tent cities, people will finally stop voting for, "Punch me in the dick repeatedly."
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JPAKx4 - 12mon
It would take 1.33 million bobs to equal the same cost that shell takes in. Each bob has a family of roughly 4 including bob, feeding 5.33 million people. The kids in the family are able to pay attention in school bc they are well fed and bob is able to hunt for a better job since he doesn't have two jobs to make sure his family doesn't starve.
Shell is definitely worth the expense, plus Exxon, and even non oil companies like spaceX/Tesla subsidies that are rarely generating value for the taxpayers who funded it.
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skulbuny @sh.itjust.works - 12mon
Bobs family is not fed well on $1500/yr
<$200/mo groceries for a family of 4?
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JPAKx4 - 12mon
It's 1500 extra which can help make ends meet
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Diplomjodler - 12mon
But... but... Bob might use some of that money to buy cigarettes!
Its 1.7 billion in tax exceptions. Given how much politicians love to argue tax deductions and negative tax rates are handouts to normal folks, I'll count those as handouts to oil companies.
Good Jobs First, among other things, serves as a watchdog for government subsidies, and maintains a database of subsidies and tax bonuses awarded to companies. Of note is the page for Royal Dutch Shell...The value presented on the page for RDS is $1.725 Billion...
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Gloomy - 12mon
Why stop the quote there?
$1.65 Billion, or 95.7%, comes from a single deal with the state of Pennsylvania for a tax-credit to build a massive petrochemical plant there.
The tax subsidies are a summation of all subsidies since 2003, not per year as the image claims.
The image tries to link federal SNAP benefits to total tax benefits for RDS. Of the $1.725 Billion listed on the page for RDS, total federal tax benefits account for $4.9 Million, or 0.2% of all total tax benefits.
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pjwestin @lemmy.world - 12mon
Why stop the quote there?
Because none of that information contradicts the statement, "Its 1.7 billion in tax exceptions," so the rest of the quote was irrelevant information.
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Ziglin (it/they) - 12mon
Most of the data seems to be accurate but there are so many links in there that don't exist anymore (at least in the top reply).
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Evil_Shrubbery @lemm.ee - 12mon
But how many millions of people and countless ecosystems does Bob kill?!??
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Simulation6 @sopuli.xyz - 12mon
Shell is a British company, isn’t it? The British government subsidies them?
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gibmiser @lemmy.world - 12mon
No numb nuts, It's an international company , meaning it has to abide the laws of multiple governments and pay taxes To multiple governments.
And sorry for Calling you numb nuts.I just wanted to say numbnuts.
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Simulation6 @sopuli.xyz - 12mon
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks noodle brain.
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Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 12mon
I like how well you chucklefucks are getting along ☺️
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Evil_Shrubbery @lemm.ee - 12mon
A regular bunch of lolly_gaggers.
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ZILtoid1991 @lemmy.world - 12mon
Guess which one Elon's "Department" of Government Efficiency wants to cut!
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HexadecimalSky @lemmy.world - 12mon
but they could pay thier workers and stimulate the economy, I mean that's why they get the money, it's called trickle down economics.
Do they do that, no.
Does it work...no.
(Sarcasm)
It went from bribery to "trickle down economics" and now I think they call it the cost of keeping business.
fossilesque in 196
bob's rule
Extend this to climate change:
Bob is responsible for .00000015% of emissions.
Shell is responsible for 5%.
But 95% of marketing for a more climate-friendly lifestyles is aimed at Bob.
Or to put it another way, Bob will emit roughly 15 metric tons of CO2 in his lifetime.
Shell emitted roughly 50 million tons in 2023 alone.
But let’s tel Bob he needs to change his lifestyle.
While all true, if Bob drives a gigantic pickup, Bob can fuck right off too
I mean, yeah, I get the sentiment. But continuing to fight amongst ourselves and excluding potential intraclass members from the fight before we fight the ruling class is truly a self defeating tactic.
Look at the trump movement. There are so many potential comrades. His entire lie that got people on bird was “fighting the elite.” Too many people fell for that that could truly be on our side if we tried.
I dunno. I harbor those same feelings, so I’m not trying to high road you, but we were talking about class solidarity, I just feel like we need to extend that to the rest of the people in our class that we’ve been artificially pitted against and manipulated into fighting.
Focus your energy on the bigger threat
Reminds me of that old children’s book
Bob Rolls Coal, Coal Rolls Bob
All of that "climate friendly lifestyle" marketing at bob is done by oil and gas companies. Are you tired of hearing about your "carbon footprint"? Good, cause its bullshit propaganda made up by big oil and gas.
There was a huge campaign to shift the blame to consumers so that people would be too busy scrutinizing themselves to scrutinize the oil and gas industry. The sad part is that it fucking worked because people are dumb.
It's those plastic straws! Surely we'll save the planet, once Bob stops using those.
if we halve 6 and two third million Bobs carbon emissions per year it would do as much as getting rid of shell.
shell would probably rather kill 3.3 million Bobs per year than cease to exist.
both strategies have compelling arguments.
I’m def no math person, but wouldn’t it take like 70x-800x that? Because halving the yearly emissions of someone who emits 15 metric tons in their entire lifetime vs the company emitting 50 MILLION tons every single year?
It’s early and I’m typically very bad at math, so maybe I’m wrong
Right, but Shell spends that money and that stimulates the economy.
Bob sticks those food stamps in his investment account and sits on them until one of his execs gets caught doing something highly illegal and needs a $100mil early retirement package.
Selfish Bob.
Edit: /s in case it’s not obvious that I swapped the names “Bob” and “Shell”
And shell uses that 2 trillion to lower the price for consumers.
Bob gives all his money to the company execs.
Trillion? Lol, math.
😂
some notes, the 2Bil may be misinformation, but I will instead ignore that and just use the subsidies to the oil industry.
We could give every single human living in the US (even babies) that $1500 and it would be 130b cheaper than oil subsidies according to forbes.
We could give every household in the US (127,482,865 according to US census) $5,100 for what we spend on oil subsidies yearly.
Please note those numbers are from 2015 so its likely much higher now, but a quick google didn't give me exact numbers for the US and I'm too lazy to go into that. (it would likely be closer to $7000 per household)
What About Bob? is a great movie BTW.
Baby steps
Also, Bob can’t use the restroom at Shell.
Goober Nation has no problems with "socialism" when those government handouts benefit a billionaire.
Maybe when 80% of this nation is living in Trumpville tent cities, people will finally stop voting for, "Punch me in the dick repeatedly."
It would take 1.33 million bobs to equal the same cost that shell takes in. Each bob has a family of roughly 4 including bob, feeding 5.33 million people. The kids in the family are able to pay attention in school bc they are well fed and bob is able to hunt for a better job since he doesn't have two jobs to make sure his family doesn't starve.
Shell is definitely worth the expense, plus Exxon, and even non oil companies like spaceX/Tesla subsidies that are rarely generating value for the taxpayers who funded it.
Bobs family is not fed well on $1500/yr
<$200/mo groceries for a family of 4?
It's 1500 extra which can help make ends meet
But... but... Bob might use some of that money to buy cigarettes!
This is misinformation
Its 1.7 billion in tax exceptions. Given how much politicians love to argue tax deductions and negative tax rates are handouts to normal folks, I'll count those as handouts to oil companies.
This is misinformation
It says exactly what they claim it does:
Why stop the quote there?
Because none of that information contradicts the statement, "Its 1.7 billion in tax exceptions," so the rest of the quote was irrelevant information.
Most of the data seems to be accurate but there are so many links in there that don't exist anymore (at least in the top reply).
But how many millions of people and countless ecosystems does Bob kill?!??
Shell is a British company, isn’t it? The British government subsidies them?
No numb nuts, It's an international company , meaning it has to abide the laws of multiple governments and pay taxes To multiple governments.
And sorry for Calling you numb nuts.I just wanted to say numbnuts.
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks noodle brain.
I like how well you chucklefucks are getting along ☺️
A regular bunch of lolly_gaggers.
Guess which one Elon's "Department" of Government Efficiency wants to cut!
but they could pay thier workers and stimulate the economy, I mean that's why they get the money, it's called trickle down economics.
Do they do that, no.
Does it work...no.
(Sarcasm)
It went from bribery to "trickle down economics" and now I think they call it the cost of keeping business.