I see so many people talking about passports and moving. I'm on a fixed income, and barely got an apartment with my mom cosigning. I'm fucking stuck in a red state and I feel so fucking screwed.
Also lets stop acting like most of the voters were misled, lied to, bamboozled into voting for trump. They saw the racism, sexism, hate, and disrespect for the law and others and they LIKED IT. They want this. They aren't idiots they're fascists.
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ToastedPlanet - 1.1yr
It's important to remember there are 340 million people in the US. Only 70 million, counted so far, voted for Trump. Of those 70 million people, many of them will also be targeted by the fascists, who make up a minority of that group. We outnumber the fascists. We do a disservice to ourselves and others by making it seem otherwise.
The number one polled issue for Republican voters was the economy. They got duped by Fox fucking News. Jokes on them when the Republicans inevitably tank the economy.
The real question is will the mass deportations or the tariffs do it first. Hopefully the tariffs. If we're going to be dysfunctional as a country, we might as well do it before making camps.
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metallic_z3r0 @infosec.pub - 1.1yr
Conversely, at most 68 million people voted for Harris. That means roughly 270 million people either didn't vote or voted for fascists, which means they're either so disenfranchised they couldn't vote, are idiots, were scared for their livelihoods and lied to (meaning they're still idiots, but at least they're also cowardly), or are fascists themselves.
I don't know when we'll learn, but given our ever-deteriorating education system I don't think it'll be anytime soon.
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ToastedPlanet - 1.1yr
There's no sense in lashing out at nonvoters. We need to organize in order to make a difference.
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mayooooo - 1.1yr
No sense, but I'd like to see the morons who kept bullshitting that there is any kind of sense in not voting. The dumbest fucking people anywhere
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ToastedPlanet - 1.1yr
It's hard to understate how fucking awful the accelerationism was this last year.
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knightly the Sneptaur - 1.1yr
Given the results of the election, it seems that the accelerationists might have had the right idea.
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ToastedPlanet - 1.1yr
A burning building doesn't get put out by watching it burn. And the fire can in fact spread to the next building. Things can always get worse because there is no bottom. Things will only get better by making them better.
The accelerationists got what they wanted. And everyone, including them, are worse off for it. We've gone from not utilizing the limited time window, to avert the worst of climate change, to choosing to use that time to pollute as much as possible. We may in fact succeed in reaching 5°C before 2100.
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Thevenin @beehaw.org - 1.1yr
Accelerationists have never been right, their argument is self-defeating.
The heart of the accelerationist argument is equating red and blue, claiming the blues' inability to completely undo the damage of the reds is intentional and makes them no better -- that the purpose of a system is what it does.
But by that logic, the purpose of accelerationism is to enable fascist ascent, and that makes them indistinguishable from fascists.
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natuhhlee - 1.1yr
It's likely because of them that this was the outcome. 81M votes for Biden in 2020 and 10K less this year when it really mattered?
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EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted - 1.1yr
I know. hug I know.
I'm super terrified myself. I'm scared. I don't know what I'll do.
Except for one thing: I'll survive. GodDAMN that motherfucker I'll survive. Even if I have to survive just to spite him, TRUMP WILL NOT CLAIM MY LIFE. >:(
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Nikkii - 1.1yr
Me too. Although I'm not out yet. I'm thinking I'll need to scramble, now, to put in my name/passport changes before I potentially lose the chance. Of course, I don't pass, don't have the wardrobe, makeup or body to pass. I wanted to wait a little longer before coming out, lose weight, fix my shit, you know. Don't have the money to do anything, change anything how I want.
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NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ - 1.1yr
Well, one silver lining is that at least this can serve as motivation to jump-start your journey. We need more silver linings...
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Nikkii - 1.1yr
We sure do... I've been on hrt for over a year now, at least, so there's that.
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KaRunChiy - 1.1yr
Yeah umm, me and my spouse are now creating a plan to at least get us to the most blue state we can but... fuck
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TastyWheat @lemmy.world - 1.1yr
I'm a straight milquetoast white bloke so I can't really talk, and I'm not American so I didn't really have a say, but I feel so sorry for everyone effected by this.
The US just turned around and put themselves back 70 years, if not more. How fucking hard is it to accept people for who they are? Is that country really so self centered and stupid?
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ToastedPlanet - 1.1yr
It's a combination of the right-wing infosphere brainwashing people and systemic flaws in our democracy that allow for minority rule. A minority of the population in key states needed to fed Republican propaganda for decades and that's what happened.
Unfortunately, this will have global implications. Trump's foreign policy will allow dictators to do whatever they want. If anyone reading this knows a place they can go where they can be safe, don't let me stop you. But, this is going to allow dictatorships to carve the world into spheres of influence.
The way we push back against this is by organizing.
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grue @lemmy.world - 1.1yr
Don't go thinking you're unaffected! This election has sealed the fate of the entire world in regards to being destroyed by climate change.
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TastyWheat @lemmy.world - 1.1yr
Agreed.... But still.
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dandelion (she/her) - 1.1yr
I would encourage you to not assume votes for Trump were necessarily endorsements of what he stands for. My vote for Harris certainly wasn't an endorsement of her policies (such as pro-Israel, pro-fracking, etc.). Like many people, I vote for the lesser evil.
Lots of people are voting Trump out of anger about inflation and price-gouging. Sure, his base is made up of bigoted individuals, but I'm talking about the people who voted for Obama, Trump in 2016, Biden in 2020, and Trump in 2024 - these voters are mostly working class folks, they are more diverse than you would think, and they are mostly upset about the economy and punishing the incumbent for not taking better care of them.
We can criticize these voters until we're red in the face and there are plenty of legitimate critiques, but it's helpful to remember the rage of poor people rarely gets channeled in healthy or constructive ways. I believe Frantz Fanon noted this about the violence that boils up in response to colonial imperialism, and while it doesn't directly apply here, I think there are some similarities worth considering.
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socialpankakemix - 1.1yr
anybody outside the us want to adopt a cute trans girl? I'm partially housetrained already! and I only bite occasionally.
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KaRunChiy - 1.1yr
In the US and I would but I'm in the same situation unfortunately :(
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ÚwÙ-Passwort - 1.1yr
Only if you stop using Pancake mix.
Maybe send you to train with @Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone afterwards :)
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maria [she/her] - 1.1yr
You mean to train, as in training to make good pancakes without premade mixes, or to train as in it'll drive you all the way to Rheinland-Pfalz
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ÚwÙ-Passwort - 1.1yr
The first, well if you replace the it'll with I'll(or from your point of view you'll) that would also be in the cards.
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maria [she/her] - 1.1yr
Aaah I see.
I know this is mostly a joke, but making pancakes with nice and reasonable people sounds really really nice.
Just imagine! We'd meet up, play Settlers of Catan and make pancakes!? And maybe we'd watch a movie?!?
That would be super cool! Like this -> (🥰😎🤩😍🥘🦄💖)
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ÚwÙ-Passwort - 1.1yr
You can count me in, i dont get the chance to play catan often :(
Well it started mostly as a Joke/Support, but if ich_iel manages to plan a meetup, i dont see why we couldn't, atleast with the fellow Germans/Surrounding Countries :)
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macniel - 1.1yr
Oh I would totally love to attend that meetup.
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dandelion (she/her) - 1.1yr
Might be a good time to check your documents, make sure you have a U.S. passport, that it isn't expired, etc.
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socialpankakemix - 1.1yr
oh I keep on top of that
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dandelion (she/her) - 1.1yr
that's good ❤️
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Nikkii - 1.1yr
I feel ill. I wish I could go back to sleep, but I'm too wound up on fear and trepidation.
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Nat (she/they) - 1.1yr
I hope not too many of us die or suffer a lot. But I feel powerless to help much.
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macniel - 1.1yr
I feel sorrow for my brothers and sisters and enby pals who will have to endure these uncertain times.
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dandelion (she/her) - 1.1yr
thanks - maybe consider contributing to their mutual aid networks so they can afford DIY hormones, so they can be housed when fleeing red states, etc.
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Sasha [They/Them] - 1.1yr
I don't know what I can do to help anyone, are there any organisations which directly protect, or perhaps help relocate at risk trans people that I can throw money at?
I had a look through the listed resources on the post election post but nothing jumped out to me, perhaps I missed something though.
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Sonori - 1.1yr
And here I was thinking that my egg cracked too late to be a part of the civil rights movement.
I was planning on moving to Washington, but I really wanted another year or two to get things together first. Looks like that’s not an option anymore.
Speaking of, does anyone know of any good mutual aid groups that could use a hand in the Olympia region?
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IndiBrony - 1.1yr
It's hard to know what to say. Just know that you aren't alone and you still have support from many millions of allies, even if it may not feel like it right now.
I weep for every woman, minority, and member of the queer community who tried to stop this. It sickens me to witness fascism growing not just in America, but the world over.
There are truly scary times ahead. Stay strong ❤️
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Benchamoneh @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 1.1yr
Sorry guys. I'm not American but I'm sorry for what is probably going to happen. We can only hope not
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dandelion (she/her) - 1.1yr
Thank you 💙
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Noel_Skum @sh.itjust.works - 1.1yr
Good luck everyone - hope to see you all again.
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Chee_Koala @lemmy.world - 1.1yr
I like how accepting the world is a very dark place, where you work hard for your own points of light, helps me appreciate how dark this day is while being minimally affected emotionally. Feels to me that being more comfortable with darkness/bad luck/mortality/terror/"The bad parts about being human" (or whatever you want to call it) gives me more space and safe-environment (in mindspace) to understand how completely screwed some things are. Stay strong & Good luck ❤️
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dandelion (she/her) - 1.1yr
yeah, I dunno - that just sounds like detachment from the looming consequences, which can sometimes be easy (at least for me, dissociation seems to be a common coping mechanism for me) but it is unwise if it prevents you from taking the necessary actions to protect yourself.
I was in good spirits even after Pennsylvania was called for Trump early this morning, so I get it. Feeling worse after some sleep, though.
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JokklMaster @lemmy.world - 1.1yr
Oh I'm sorry did you want rights? I thought you wanted The Right™️
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alx - 1.1yr
Not funny nor useful thing to answer.
OP, i'm so sorry and frightened. I hope you'll have a great community to survive this and build a better society by the example.
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RubberElectrons @lemmy.world - 1.1yr
Sigh. Just an ally, but I'll keep being one however I can.
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Zorsith - 1.1yr
I need to get my skills up to snuff and get a new job... the idea that I will technically be working for that failure of a human being is nauseating. I refuse to be complicit.
There's nowhere to even fucking go, half the rest of the planet is going the same direction or is otherwise semi reliant on the US
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Sonori - 1.1yr
On the other hand, if all the good people give up the fight and leave it to project 2025 to find their replacement the public as a whole will be in even greater danger.
Obviously it’s not fair to expect you to put yourself in danger for everyone else, but it might just be worth considering of forms of resistance.
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Zorsith - 1.1yr
I'm in a hard red state, working for a branch of government that already leans fairly red (DoD). Not even being hard on myself, I am a dime a dozen IT technician that coasted into my current position. Frankly, I think I've wanted out for a while now, there's just nowhere else to work in the area.
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Sonori - 1.1yr
That’s unfortunate but I understand, I just didn’t want the thought of working for him to be the only reason. Be safe.
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maria [she/her] - 1.1yr
I'm not a US person, but I would like to know what exactly is so bad about the trump man.
Besides looking funi and not being all that cool, did his win last time influence trans people that much?
Or is he just really pushing the anti-trans agenda harder this time?
Maybe I missed a twitter post or something, I'm just confused about why people are only now thinking of moving out.
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SpatchyIsOnline @lemmy.world - 1.1yr
Take a look at the Wikipedia page for Project 2025. It's basically the Republican manifesto for everything they want to to "acomplish" now they have power. This time, Trump has the House, the Senate and the supreme court on his side so there's nothing that can stop these plans.
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maria [she/her] - 1.1yr
I just read this german article about it and oof it scary woah
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apotheotic (she/her) - 1.1yr
Did you see the whole project 2025 thing?
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maria [she/her] - 1.1yr
Nope I did not see the whole project 2025 thing. Imma look at it now and probably edit this comment when I'm done
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apotheotic (she/her) - 1.1yr
Its... Scary. I'm not even in the US and it terrifies me.
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maria [she/her] - 1.1yr
Ok WOAH this is scary! This reads like a dictatorship and strong influence of the people leading the country.
Also Eliminating woke propaganda at every level of government. sounds like such a shitpost, but they seem to mean it.
Removing critical race theory and gender ideology curricula in every public school in the country. Ok oof. They really mean it.
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apotheotic (she/her) - 1.1yr
Using the word "woke" in official political messaging really has thrown me for a loop this election cycle.
And yeah. This shit is scary. Trump tries to downplay how linked he is to this, but its a facade and a bad one at that.
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transhetwarrior (he/him) - 1.1yr
Key points include classifying "transgender ideology" as pornography, banning porn and making it a sex offense, introducing the death penalty for sex offenders. All those together....
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maria [she/her] - 1.1yr
Sooo they wanna ban porn (people totally gonna like that), making it classify as a sex offense and then point at transgender people and allys and say look, they're offending me!?
I thought this was part of the project 2025 (which is still not exactly confirmed to be his plan, as far as I can tell), but NO! And the comments are even worse...
I really dislike this one comment of a person saying they are a "gay guy" but left the lgbt community ever since they "talked directly to children" whiiiiich is absoulte BS.
dandelion in trans
welp.
I see so many people talking about passports and moving. I'm on a fixed income, and barely got an apartment with my mom cosigning. I'm fucking stuck in a red state and I feel so fucking screwed.
Also lets stop acting like most of the voters were misled, lied to, bamboozled into voting for trump. They saw the racism, sexism, hate, and disrespect for the law and others and they LIKED IT. They want this. They aren't idiots they're fascists.
It's important to remember there are 340 million people in the US. Only 70 million, counted so far, voted for Trump. Of those 70 million people, many of them will also be targeted by the fascists, who make up a minority of that group. We outnumber the fascists. We do a disservice to ourselves and others by making it seem otherwise.
The number one polled issue for Republican voters was the economy. They got duped by Fox fucking News. Jokes on them when the Republicans inevitably tank the economy.
The real question is will the mass deportations or the tariffs do it first. Hopefully the tariffs. If we're going to be dysfunctional as a country, we might as well do it before making camps.
Conversely, at most 68 million people voted for Harris. That means roughly 270 million people either didn't vote or voted for fascists, which means they're either so disenfranchised they couldn't vote, are idiots, were scared for their livelihoods and lied to (meaning they're still idiots, but at least they're also cowardly), or are fascists themselves.
I don't know when we'll learn, but given our ever-deteriorating education system I don't think it'll be anytime soon.
There's no sense in lashing out at nonvoters. We need to organize in order to make a difference.
No sense, but I'd like to see the morons who kept bullshitting that there is any kind of sense in not voting. The dumbest fucking people anywhere
It's hard to understate how fucking awful the accelerationism was this last year.
Given the results of the election, it seems that the accelerationists might have had the right idea.
A burning building doesn't get put out by watching it burn. And the fire can in fact spread to the next building. Things can always get worse because there is no bottom. Things will only get better by making them better.
The accelerationists got what they wanted. And everyone, including them, are worse off for it. We've gone from not utilizing the limited time window, to avert the worst of climate change, to choosing to use that time to pollute as much as possible. We may in fact succeed in reaching 5°C before 2100.
Accelerationists have never been right, their argument is self-defeating.
The heart of the accelerationist argument is equating red and blue, claiming the blues' inability to completely undo the damage of the reds is intentional and makes them no better -- that the purpose of a system is what it does.
But by that logic, the purpose of accelerationism is to enable fascist ascent, and that makes them indistinguishable from fascists.
It's likely because of them that this was the outcome. 81M votes for Biden in 2020 and 10K less this year when it really mattered?
I know. hug I know.
I'm super terrified myself. I'm scared. I don't know what I'll do.
Except for one thing: I'll survive. GodDAMN that motherfucker I'll survive. Even if I have to survive just to spite him, TRUMP WILL NOT CLAIM MY LIFE. >:(
Me too. Although I'm not out yet. I'm thinking I'll need to scramble, now, to put in my name/passport changes before I potentially lose the chance. Of course, I don't pass, don't have the wardrobe, makeup or body to pass. I wanted to wait a little longer before coming out, lose weight, fix my shit, you know. Don't have the money to do anything, change anything how I want.
Well, one silver lining is that at least this can serve as motivation to jump-start your journey. We need more silver linings...
We sure do... I've been on hrt for over a year now, at least, so there's that.
Yeah umm, me and my spouse are now creating a plan to at least get us to the most blue state we can but... fuck
I'm a straight milquetoast white bloke so I can't really talk, and I'm not American so I didn't really have a say, but I feel so sorry for everyone effected by this.
The US just turned around and put themselves back 70 years, if not more. How fucking hard is it to accept people for who they are? Is that country really so self centered and stupid?
It's a combination of the right-wing infosphere brainwashing people and systemic flaws in our democracy that allow for minority rule. A minority of the population in key states needed to fed Republican propaganda for decades and that's what happened.
Unfortunately, this will have global implications. Trump's foreign policy will allow dictators to do whatever they want. If anyone reading this knows a place they can go where they can be safe, don't let me stop you. But, this is going to allow dictatorships to carve the world into spheres of influence.
The way we push back against this is by organizing.
Don't go thinking you're unaffected! This election has sealed the fate of the entire world in regards to being destroyed by climate change.
Agreed.... But still.
I would encourage you to not assume votes for Trump were necessarily endorsements of what he stands for. My vote for Harris certainly wasn't an endorsement of her policies (such as pro-Israel, pro-fracking, etc.). Like many people, I vote for the lesser evil.
Lots of people are voting Trump out of anger about inflation and price-gouging. Sure, his base is made up of bigoted individuals, but I'm talking about the people who voted for Obama, Trump in 2016, Biden in 2020, and Trump in 2024 - these voters are mostly working class folks, they are more diverse than you would think, and they are mostly upset about the economy and punishing the incumbent for not taking better care of them.
We can criticize these voters until we're red in the face and there are plenty of legitimate critiques, but it's helpful to remember the rage of poor people rarely gets channeled in healthy or constructive ways. I believe Frantz Fanon noted this about the violence that boils up in response to colonial imperialism, and while it doesn't directly apply here, I think there are some similarities worth considering.
anybody outside the us want to adopt a cute trans girl? I'm partially housetrained already! and I only bite occasionally.
In the US and I would but I'm in the same situation unfortunately :(
Only if you stop using Pancake mix. Maybe send you to train with @Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone afterwards :)
You mean to train, as in training to make good pancakes without premade mixes, or to train as in it'll drive you all the way to Rheinland-Pfalz
The first, well if you replace the it'll with I'll(or from your point of view you'll) that would also be in the cards.
Aaah I see.
I know this is mostly a joke, but making pancakes with nice and reasonable people sounds really really nice.
Just imagine! We'd meet up, play Settlers of Catan and make pancakes!? And maybe we'd watch a movie?!?
That would be super cool! Like this -> (🥰😎🤩😍🥘🦄💖)
You can count me in, i dont get the chance to play catan often :(
Well it started mostly as a Joke/Support, but if ich_iel manages to plan a meetup, i dont see why we couldn't, atleast with the fellow Germans/Surrounding Countries :)
Oh I would totally love to attend that meetup.
Might be a good time to check your documents, make sure you have a U.S. passport, that it isn't expired, etc.
oh I keep on top of that
that's good ❤️
I feel ill. I wish I could go back to sleep, but I'm too wound up on fear and trepidation.
I hope not too many of us die or suffer a lot. But I feel powerless to help much.
I feel sorrow for my brothers and sisters and enby pals who will have to endure these uncertain times.
thanks - maybe consider contributing to their mutual aid networks so they can afford DIY hormones, so they can be housed when fleeing red states, etc.
I don't know what I can do to help anyone, are there any organisations which directly protect, or perhaps help relocate at risk trans people that I can throw money at?
I had a look through the listed resources on the post election post but nothing jumped out to me, perhaps I missed something though.
And here I was thinking that my egg cracked too late to be a part of the civil rights movement.
I was planning on moving to Washington, but I really wanted another year or two to get things together first. Looks like that’s not an option anymore.
Speaking of, does anyone know of any good mutual aid groups that could use a hand in the Olympia region?
It's hard to know what to say. Just know that you aren't alone and you still have support from many millions of allies, even if it may not feel like it right now.
I weep for every woman, minority, and member of the queer community who tried to stop this. It sickens me to witness fascism growing not just in America, but the world over.
There are truly scary times ahead. Stay strong ❤️
Sorry guys. I'm not American but I'm sorry for what is probably going to happen. We can only hope not
Thank you 💙
Good luck everyone - hope to see you all again.
I like how accepting the world is a very
darkplace, where you work hard for your own points of light, helps me appreciate how dark this day is while being minimally affected emotionally. Feels to me that being more comfortable with darkness/bad luck/mortality/terror/"The bad parts about being human" (or whatever you want to call it) gives me more space and safe-environment (in mindspace) to understand how completely screwed some things are. Stay strong & Good luck ❤️yeah, I dunno - that just sounds like detachment from the looming consequences, which can sometimes be easy (at least for me, dissociation seems to be a common coping mechanism for me) but it is unwise if it prevents you from taking the necessary actions to protect yourself.
I was in good spirits even after Pennsylvania was called for Trump early this morning, so I get it. Feeling worse after some sleep, though.
Oh I'm sorry did you want rights? I thought you wanted The Right™️
Not funny nor useful thing to answer.
OP, i'm so sorry and frightened. I hope you'll have a great community to survive this and build a better society by the example.
Sigh. Just an ally, but I'll keep being one however I can.
I need to get my skills up to snuff and get a new job... the idea that I will technically be working for that failure of a human being is nauseating. I refuse to be complicit.
There's nowhere to even fucking go, half the rest of the planet is going the same direction or is otherwise semi reliant on the US
On the other hand, if all the good people give up the fight and leave it to project 2025 to find their replacement the public as a whole will be in even greater danger.
Obviously it’s not fair to expect you to put yourself in danger for everyone else, but it might just be worth considering of forms of resistance.
I'm in a hard red state, working for a branch of government that already leans fairly red (DoD). Not even being hard on myself, I am a dime a dozen IT technician that coasted into my current position. Frankly, I think I've wanted out for a while now, there's just nowhere else to work in the area.
That’s unfortunate but I understand, I just didn’t want the thought of working for him to be the only reason. Be safe.
I'm not a US person, but I would like to know what exactly is so bad about the trump man.
Besides looking funi and not being all that cool, did his win last time influence trans people that much?
Or is he just really pushing the anti-trans agenda harder this time?
Maybe I missed a twitter post or something, I'm just confused about why people are only now thinking of moving out.
Take a look at the Wikipedia page for Project 2025. It's basically the Republican manifesto for everything they want to to "acomplish" now they have power. This time, Trump has the House, the Senate and the supreme court on his side so there's nothing that can stop these plans.
I just read this german article about it and oof it scary woah
Did you see the whole project 2025 thing?
Nope I did not see the whole project 2025 thing. Imma look at it now and probably edit this comment when I'm done
Its... Scary. I'm not even in the US and it terrifies me.
Ok WOAH this is scary! This reads like a dictatorship and strong influence of the people leading the country.
Also
Eliminating woke propaganda at every level of government.sounds like such a shitpost, but they seem to mean it.Removing critical race theory and gender ideology curricula in every public school in the country.Ok oof. They really mean it.Using the word "woke" in official political messaging really has thrown me for a loop this election cycle.
And yeah. This shit is scary. Trump tries to downplay how linked he is to this, but its a facade and a bad one at that.
Key points include classifying "transgender ideology" as pornography, banning porn and making it a sex offense, introducing the death penalty for sex offenders. All those together....
Sooo they wanna ban porn (people totally gonna like that), making it classify as a sex offense and then point at transgender people and allys and say
look, they're offending me!?That's actually insane
hear it from his own mouth: President Trump’s Plan to Protect Children from "Left-Wing Gender Insanity"
Ok wow woah ok like WOW this IS BAD!!!!
I thought this was part of the project 2025 (which is still not exactly confirmed to be his plan, as far as I can tell), but NO! And the comments are even worse...
I really dislike this one comment of a person saying they are a "gay guy" but left the lgbt community ever since they "talked directly to children" whiiiiich is absoulte BS.