kbin has an issue at the moment. As a software platform, it was not ready for the huge influx of users that came with the reddit migration.
As such, it doesn't have robust moderation tools, and one of the biggest issues is that an instance can only have a single admin. In the case of kbin.social, the admin is also the lead dev of the kbin software project as a whole.
I love kbin, I love the project and what it stands for, and I think ernest has created an amazing platform that I has more potential than lemmy. But in the here and now, kbin.social is woefully under moderated. It has been a large source of spam, and harbours active transphobes and transphobic communities that are effectively unmoderated.
So, Blåhaj Lemmy folk, I'm seeking your feedback. Would you rather we defederate until the kbin moderation tools are improved, or stay connected and deal with the bigotry and spam on our end as best we can?
Edit - So far, it seems that most of the spam etc isn't making it through to people, which is great! It means we can keep things going as they are without it impacting people too much. Please use this thread to let me know if that changes though
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Please note, this discussion is intended for Blåhaj Lemmy users to provide feedback. Top Level comments made from instances other than Blåhaj Lemmy will be removed. If you are from an external instance, you are welcome to engage in the discussion, but I request that you do so in reply to other comments.
kingtysonsworld - 2.4yr
honestly, I've never seen anything bad from kbin. only very positive. lemmy.world though... understandably most of it is all right, so I don't think defederating is the call. specific communities with moderation issues can be blocked by users. the instances as a whole are mostly all right.
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Killerqu00 - 2.4yr
Depends on how much bigotry and spam comes from this instance.
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Ada - 2.4yr
And that's why I'm asking :)
If you're not seeing spam or abuse, then we're probably doing ok. But if you are seeing it and it's impacting your experience, that's what I'd like to know about
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CheshireSnake @lemdit.com - 2.4yr
May I ask why you posted this? Was there a post/community/behavior that you saw that was questionable?
I ask because I don't think I've seen (yet) any offending posts from kbin so I was quite surprised to read your post. But then again I'm on smaller instances so maybe I don't see everything you guys see. :)
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Ada - 2.4yr
Most of the spam bots I see come from kbin.social, but I am purging them and their history as soon as they're reported.
Other than that, it's more trying to pro-actively address an issue with bigotry, because kbin.social is effectively unmoderated at the moment, and unmoderated instances full of bigots have been a problem before.
At the moment, it's not a huge problem on kbin.social though, hence the discussion, rather than outright defederation
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CheshireSnake @lemdit.com - 2.4yr
Hey. Thank you for responding. I tried deleting my comment since I reread your post and you were pretty clear why you were considering it. It looks like the delete request didn't push through on your end (it's happened before to me lol). My bad - I sometimes get ahead of myself. 😅
And yes, I definitely understand (and agree) why this is concerning to you. Bigotry really is a big problem, imho. I do hope it doesn't become a big problem on kbin.
Again, thanks for responding. Have a great day! :)
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Killerqu00 - 2.4yr
I think that defederating should be left as a last-resort option. The more instances we have in Lemmy communicating between each other, the better (unless Nazis/bigots/etc).
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Ada - 2.4yr
unless Nazis/bigots/etc
The problem is, that's where we are
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Killerqu00 - 2.4yr
As far as I understand, there are simply more of them coming from kbin, not most of them.
I was speaking more about instances that are specifically made to host such users or encourage such behaviour.
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Miryem [she/her] - 2.4yr
I feel like this is something where you, the admins, take priority. While i havent noticed much hate or spam from kbin.social (aside from random), if it is making enough impact that the admins dont have the resources (either time wise, emotion wise, or what have you) to do other admin things then i support you in defederating. Of course, i prefer to stay federated, but because you and the other admins and mods are doing the heavy lifting here i think your thoughts and feelings on this matter take priority.
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Rozaŭtuno - 2.4yr
I haven't noticed any transphobia coming specifically from kbin, but I also never browse by all and just stick to my own bubble.
If anything, I had more bad encounters with people from lemmy.ca 🤷♀️
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Roundcat @lemmy.ca - 2.4yr
That's surprising. Part of the reason I joined ca for my lemmy account was they seemed relatively chill compared to world and ml.
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Rozaŭtuno - 2.4yr
This happened during the height of the reddit migration, I just bloked them and that was it. It was only a couple of assholes.
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LuckingFurker (Any/All) - 2.4yr
I'd personally say defederate if only to make your own lives easier for the foreseeable future, it doesn't seem worth dealing with even potential bigotry for an indeterminate amount of time like that
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wolfshadowheart - 2.4yr
As a kbin user, I see quite a lot of spam/inappropriate posting on the /c/random magazine coming from blahaj accounts. They do however seem to be removed fairly quickly as I can never find them again. So I'm not sure it's something that is specific to us.
It's also unfortunate to hear the report of those types.of active communities. I've not come across any, thankfully!
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LuckingFurker (Any/All) - 2.4yr
I'm honestly more thinking of it for the sake of our admins, it sucks to suggest blocking off any community needlessly but I'd rather their lives be made as easy as possible. I have occasionally seen bigotry which has been swiftly dealt with but I can't say I've noticed a particular source. I am disappointed to learn that there is inappropriate behaviour coming from blahaj users but I suppose it shouldn't be surprising, this being the internet and all 😕
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Norah (pup/it/she) - 2.4yr
If Blahaj users are posting spam and it’s getting removed, then it must be the only spam getting removed from Kbin. I had to block it because of all the bot/spam posting.
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CoachDom - 2.4yr
Why do you think it has more potential than lemmy? What is that you like about kbin and what does it stand for? Genuine questions
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Odo [any] - 2.4yr
It's been like 2 months since the reddit migration started and kbin still doesn't have a way to collapse comments. I am confused when people say it has a better UI than Lemmy.
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Ada - 2.4yr
I very much did not say it had a better UI :)
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Odo [any] - 2.4yr
My comment was just a general remark about something I have often seen mentioned as a Kbin advantage over Lemmy. I didn't mean to imply you thought that. But I guess that still leaves us with the question of why you feel it has more potential than Lemmy.
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Ada - 2.4yr
It handles non group Fediverse content and integrates it in to groups
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kopper [they/them] - 2.4yr
On my own end I've elected to hide all comments from kbin.social users (via uBlock, see https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1633853) and I've been avoiding subscribing to communities hosted there. Not because any bigotry or whatever (I try my best to report anything I find suspicious) but just because any time I've seen comments with "meh vibes" (even if it isn't anywhere near bigotry) it seems to come from there (or lemmy.world, which I've also been trying my best to limit my own participation to, but I haven't yet filtered them out completely)
Granted that's probably because of it's flagship status. kbin is way more centralized than Lemmy ended up being. (Even with .world's frankly unmanageable size)
I am not explicitly advocating for defederation (if it isn't causing a large burden behind the scenes, that is), but if you did defederate I personally wouldn't complain :p
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katy ✨ - 2.4yr
The only real community I visit from there is !SquaredCircle@kbin.social so hopefully not because I love it and they're staunchy anti bigot; I did notice that it seems like the community wasn't updating or sending messages from here to there the other day which is weird :(
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Zymi - 2.4yr
That's the only kbin I'm subscribed to as well, I would be sad to see it go.
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Erika2rsis - 2.4yr
I'm using Kbin.Social as a backup instance for when Blåhaj Lemmy goes down, so defederation wouldn't necessarily be ideal.
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favrion - 2.4yr
No, don't defederate. I haven't seen any problems on this instance. Plus I'll miss you.
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kbin.social
kbin has an issue at the moment. As a software platform, it was not ready for the huge influx of users that came with the reddit migration.
As such, it doesn't have robust moderation tools, and one of the biggest issues is that an instance can only have a single admin. In the case of kbin.social, the admin is also the lead dev of the kbin software project as a whole.
I love kbin, I love the project and what it stands for, and I think ernest has created an amazing platform that I has more potential than lemmy. But in the here and now, kbin.social is woefully under moderated. It has been a large source of spam, and harbours active transphobes and transphobic communities that are effectively unmoderated.
So, Blåhaj Lemmy folk, I'm seeking your feedback. Would you rather we defederate until the kbin moderation tools are improved, or stay connected and deal with the bigotry and spam on our end as best we can?
See this thread on kbin.social for a ongoing discussion about the issue https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/304907
Edit - So far, it seems that most of the spam etc isn't making it through to people, which is great! It means we can keep things going as they are without it impacting people too much. Please use this thread to let me know if that changes though
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Please note, this discussion is intended for Blåhaj Lemmy users to provide feedback. Top Level comments made from instances other than Blåhaj Lemmy will be removed. If you are from an external instance, you are welcome to engage in the discussion, but I request that you do so in reply to other comments.
honestly, I've never seen anything bad from kbin. only very positive. lemmy.world though... understandably most of it is all right, so I don't think defederating is the call. specific communities with moderation issues can be blocked by users. the instances as a whole are mostly all right.
Depends on how much bigotry and spam comes from this instance.
And that's why I'm asking :)
If you're not seeing spam or abuse, then we're probably doing ok. But if you are seeing it and it's impacting your experience, that's what I'd like to know about
May I ask why you posted this? Was there a post/community/behavior that you saw that was questionable?
I ask because I don't think I've seen (yet) any offending posts from kbin so I was quite surprised to read your post. But then again I'm on smaller instances so maybe I don't see everything you guys see. :)
Most of the spam bots I see come from kbin.social, but I am purging them and their history as soon as they're reported.
Other than that, it's more trying to pro-actively address an issue with bigotry, because kbin.social is effectively unmoderated at the moment, and unmoderated instances full of bigots have been a problem before.
At the moment, it's not a huge problem on kbin.social though, hence the discussion, rather than outright defederation
Hey. Thank you for responding. I tried deleting my comment since I reread your post and you were pretty clear why you were considering it. It looks like the delete request didn't push through on your end (it's happened before to me lol). My bad - I sometimes get ahead of myself. 😅
And yes, I definitely understand (and agree) why this is concerning to you. Bigotry really is a big problem, imho. I do hope it doesn't become a big problem on kbin.
Again, thanks for responding. Have a great day! :)
I think that defederating should be left as a last-resort option. The more instances we have in Lemmy communicating between each other, the better (unless Nazis/bigots/etc).
The problem is, that's where we are
As far as I understand, there are simply more of them coming from kbin, not most of them.
I was speaking more about instances that are specifically made to host such users or encourage such behaviour.
I feel like this is something where you, the admins, take priority. While i havent noticed much hate or spam from kbin.social (aside from random), if it is making enough impact that the admins dont have the resources (either time wise, emotion wise, or what have you) to do other admin things then i support you in defederating. Of course, i prefer to stay federated, but because you and the other admins and mods are doing the heavy lifting here i think your thoughts and feelings on this matter take priority.
I haven't noticed any transphobia coming specifically from kbin, but I also never browse by all and just stick to my own bubble.
If anything, I had more bad encounters with people from lemmy.ca 🤷♀️
That's surprising. Part of the reason I joined ca for my lemmy account was they seemed relatively chill compared to world and ml.
This happened during the height of the reddit migration, I just bloked them and that was it. It was only a couple of assholes.
I'd personally say defederate if only to make your own lives easier for the foreseeable future, it doesn't seem worth dealing with even potential bigotry for an indeterminate amount of time like that
As a kbin user, I see quite a lot of spam/inappropriate posting on the /c/random magazine coming from blahaj accounts. They do however seem to be removed fairly quickly as I can never find them again. So I'm not sure it's something that is specific to us.
It's also unfortunate to hear the report of those types.of active communities. I've not come across any, thankfully!
I'm honestly more thinking of it for the sake of our admins, it sucks to suggest blocking off any community needlessly but I'd rather their lives be made as easy as possible. I have occasionally seen bigotry which has been swiftly dealt with but I can't say I've noticed a particular source. I am disappointed to learn that there is inappropriate behaviour coming from blahaj users but I suppose it shouldn't be surprising, this being the internet and all 😕
If Blahaj users are posting spam and it’s getting removed, then it must be the only spam getting removed from Kbin. I had to block it because of all the bot/spam posting.
Why do you think it has more potential than lemmy? What is that you like about kbin and what does it stand for? Genuine questions
It's been like 2 months since the reddit migration started and kbin still doesn't have a way to collapse comments. I am confused when people say it has a better UI than Lemmy.
I very much did not say it had a better UI :)
My comment was just a general remark about something I have often seen mentioned as a Kbin advantage over Lemmy. I didn't mean to imply you thought that. But I guess that still leaves us with the question of why you feel it has more potential than Lemmy.
It handles non group Fediverse content and integrates it in to groups
On my own end I've elected to hide all comments from kbin.social users (via uBlock, see https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1633853) and I've been avoiding subscribing to communities hosted there. Not because any bigotry or whatever (I try my best to report anything I find suspicious) but just because any time I've seen comments with "meh vibes" (even if it isn't anywhere near bigotry) it seems to come from there (or lemmy.world, which I've also been trying my best to limit my own participation to, but I haven't yet filtered them out completely)
Granted that's probably because of it's flagship status. kbin is way more centralized than Lemmy ended up being. (Even with .world's frankly unmanageable size)
I am not explicitly advocating for defederation (if it isn't causing a large burden behind the scenes, that is), but if you did defederate I personally wouldn't complain :p
The only real community I visit from there is !SquaredCircle@kbin.social so hopefully not because I love it and they're staunchy anti bigot; I did notice that it seems like the community wasn't updating or sending messages from here to there the other day which is weird :(
That's the only kbin I'm subscribed to as well, I would be sad to see it go.
I'm using Kbin.Social as a backup instance for when Blåhaj Lemmy goes down, so defederation wouldn't necessarily be ideal.
No, don't defederate. I haven't seen any problems on this instance. Plus I'll miss you.