Nonbinding? So it's just figurative? Performative? Symbolic?
Good start though?
Still, it's a shame we have to legislate human decency. Or enforce it. Why is being shitty the default of enough people that we need laws to protect and enshrine basic decency?
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mar_k [he/him] - 5mon
The EU can't make binding resolutions to significantly change countries' domestic laws without unanimous approval. Italy, Hungary, or Bulgaria would just veto it
The most the EU can do is laws requiring trans discrimination protections + gender identity recognition if obtained from a country where it's allowed, and they've already done both of those
So at the very least, a trans Hungarian has the right to move to an EU country with easy trans self-identification laws: and after a few months of residency, they could obtain gender recognition that all EU countries would be forced to accept. (EU's open borders, so you can move between countries as easy as moving between US states)
Likewise, a gay Hungarian couple could have a wedding in another EU country and Hungary would be forced to recognize that marriage
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MeetMeAtTheMovies [they/them] - 5mon
So it’s kind of a similar dynamic to trans people in Florida being theoretically able to move to New York and access resources and protections there?
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mar_k [he/him] - 5mon
Yes and you're actually legally better off in Hungary than Florida, because the EU forces Hungary to have minimal anti-discrimination protections and accept foreign gender changes in documents, while the US federal govt is completely aligned with Florida
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SexUnderSocialism [she/her] - 5mon
Yes, as residency in an EU country automatically grants you EU citizenship, which gives you the right to live and work in any EU member state. The only thing you can't do is vote in local elections, unless you apply to become a naturalized citizen.
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DragonBallZinn [he/him, they/them] - 5mon
Ok, maybe Europe deserves to be a little smug.
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commieradcat [they/them] - 5mon
Is the EU the best place to live for a trans person?
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SerialExperimentsGay [she/her, she/her] - 5mon
That really depends on where in the EU, how far along you are in your transition, how well you pass and how fine you are with stealthing, what matters to you besides trans issues etc. etc., but it's definitely better than what is happening in the US (for now). HOWEVER, if you get to benefit from this at all will vary greatly on your immigration status. Being trans and in the EU asylum seeking process is rough.
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blinfabian @feddit.nl - 5mon
germans: yes!
hungarians: 🤨
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Carcharodonna [she/her] - 5mon
I think it really depends where. As with US states, some places are better than others. Seems like trans acceptance is moving in a positive direction, generally speaking, as there isn’t much public desire to scapegoat trans people and right wing astroturfing hasn’t seemed to gain much traction. Things could always quickly change though so it’s also good to be on guard.
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commieradcat [they/them] - 5mon
Are there any AES countries doing better? Sad to see libs at the top of this issue.
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Carcharodonna [she/her] - 5mon
Cuba has been a leader on this for a little awhile now.
Carcharodonna in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns
European Parliament Votes Overwhelmingly For "The Full Recognition Of Trans Women As Women"
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/european-parliament-votes-overwhelminglyNonbinding? So it's just figurative? Performative? Symbolic?
Good start though?
Still, it's a shame we have to legislate human decency. Or enforce it. Why is being shitty the default of enough people that we need laws to protect and enshrine basic decency?
The EU can't make binding resolutions to significantly change countries' domestic laws without unanimous approval. Italy, Hungary, or Bulgaria would just veto it
The most the EU can do is laws requiring trans discrimination protections + gender identity recognition if obtained from a country where it's allowed, and they've already done both of those
So at the very least, a trans Hungarian has the right to move to an EU country with easy trans self-identification laws: and after a few months of residency, they could obtain gender recognition that all EU countries would be forced to accept. (EU's open borders, so you can move between countries as easy as moving between US states)
Likewise, a gay Hungarian couple could have a wedding in another EU country and Hungary would be forced to recognize that marriage
So it’s kind of a similar dynamic to trans people in Florida being theoretically able to move to New York and access resources and protections there?
Yes and you're actually legally better off in Hungary than Florida, because the EU forces Hungary to have minimal anti-discrimination protections and accept foreign gender changes in documents, while the US federal govt is completely aligned with Florida
Yes, as residency in an EU country automatically grants you EU citizenship, which gives you the right to live and work in any EU member state. The only thing you can't do is vote in local elections, unless you apply to become a naturalized citizen.
Ok, maybe Europe deserves to be a little smug.
Is the EU the best place to live for a trans person?
That really depends on where in the EU, how far along you are in your transition, how well you pass and how fine you are with stealthing, what matters to you besides trans issues etc. etc., but it's definitely better than what is happening in the US (for now). HOWEVER, if you get to benefit from this at all will vary greatly on your immigration status. Being trans and in the EU asylum seeking process is rough.
germans: yes!
hungarians: 🤨
I think it really depends where. As with US states, some places are better than others. Seems like trans acceptance is moving in a positive direction, generally speaking, as there isn’t much public desire to scapegoat trans people and right wing astroturfing hasn’t seemed to gain much traction. Things could always quickly change though so it’s also good to be on guard.
Are there any AES countries doing better? Sad to see libs at the top of this issue.
Cuba has been a leader on this for a little awhile now.