Federal officials in other departments have also continued to warn Canadian Heritage that the inclusion of Nazi collaborators on the memorial would cause international embarrassment. “It is important to note that many anti-communist and anti-Soviet advocates and fighters were also active Nazi collaborators, who committed documented massacres,” Global Affairs Canada officials warned their counterparts at Canadian Heritage in 2021. Those records were obtained by the Ottawa Citizen using the access-to-information law.
Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt [he/him, they/them] - 7hr
“It is important to note that many anti-communist and anti-Soviet advocates and fighters were also active Nazi collaborators, who committed documented massacres,”
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NephewAlphaBravo [he/him] - 6hr
how does all this fascism keep winding up in my anticommunism?!
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sexywheat [none/use name] - 6hr
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hellinkilla [they/them, they/them] - 4hr
List of donors on the website of the initiating organization (archive): Our Donors | Tribute To Liberty. These were the people initially promised space on the wall IIRC. You could look back in the archive.org to see if some have been removed.
lol they can't find 500 people who are actual "victims of communism" but not outright fascists. Sounds like poor scholarship as any system composing millions of people will have at least a few victims... nothing is perfect.
I am thinking it would be more expedient to inscribe all the names that have been requested over the years and only change the title: "victimsvictories of communism".
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booty [he/him] - 7hr
Seriously, in all the extensive records the Soviets kept they can't find 500 people who actually just got fucked over by some opportunist bureaucrat assholes? Place must have been a fuckin utopia
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Belly_Beanis [he/him] - 4hr
The only non-nazi names they can find are other communists lol
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Awoo [she/her] - 4hr
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NephewAlphaBravo [he/him] - 6hr
scoreboard of communism
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hellinkilla [they/them, they/them] - 6hr
The bodies keep the score
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LeninWeave [none/use name, any] - 6hr
To the tune of Drowning Pool's Bodies.
LET THE BODIES KEEP THE SCORE
LET THE BODIES KEEP THE SCORE
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hellinkilla [they/them, they/them] - 7hr
What do you think?
"Canada, a land of refuge" doesn't fit this iteration but I can't think of what to put there that matches the new titles.
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purpleworm [none/use name] - 7hr
Perhaps "a Land of Refuse" since that's where all sorts of fascist scum scurried to in the postwar period.
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hellinkilla [they/them, they/them] - 5hr
Couldn't be bothered reworking the french so I just removed it.
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purpleworm [none/use name] - 3hr
I like it
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SoyViking [he/him] - 3hr
I didn't realise how much this looks like absolute shit. A black box with a Helvetica font on it - seriously? You couldn't even be arsed to pay sculptor to do something eye-catching for your big monument?
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hellinkilla [they/them, they/them] - 7hr
I was trying to find a better pic to show my proposed name change and did some across this
Holocaust scholars and Jewish groups have continued to denounce claims their efforts to expose Nazi war criminals and collaborators are part of some Russian plot or disinformation scheme.
lol
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Ram_The_Manparts [he/him] - 3hr
That is amazing
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LeninWeave [none/use name, any] - 2hr
For a real fun time, we could cross-reference the list of groups that are accused of being Ruzzian for saying the Holocaust was bad with the list of groups accusing others of being antisemites for saying the Gaza genocide is bad.
I guess I'm saying that a significant part of western "civilization" is just genocide enthusiasts standing in a circle pointing at each other without even a hint of irony lmao.
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sexywheat [none/use name] - 7hr
Fun fact: Canada admitted thousands of nazis after the war and allowed them to live unmolested indefinitely afterwards. In fact, flashing your swastika tattoo to a border guard pretty much guaranteed you entry because it proved that you were an anti-communist and would fit in just fine.
well I mean gosh what else are you going to be, a TANKIE???
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Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt [he/him, they/them] - 7hr
At least 100k iirc some of whom had named participation in the Holocaust.
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WokePalpatine [he/him] - 6hr
Yep.
By June 1947, displaced persons registered as ethnic Ukrainian totaled 106,549. Initially, the Canadian government showed limited interest in admitting more Ukrainians, reflecting a long-standing bias against non-Western European immigrants. Furthermore, Canadian law prohibited the acceptance of former combatants who had voluntarily served in the German armed forces. However, much of the screening was conducted by British major Denis Hills, a self-described fascist who instructed collaborators on how to avoid investigation. The British exonerated the Galicia Division and transferred many of them to Britain to fill labor shortages in agriculture.
these poeple (archive link) submitted a slightly more whimsical concept that I almost like, just given how strongly associated pulling down statues is with the woke and the concept annoys right wingers so much. It would really put them into cognitive dissonance.
To be fair, it is kind of is a depiction of current communism. Toppling dangerously, but not yet with face planted in the ground. Offers the very interested possibility of the statue's level being one day corrected.
Would this be Canada's first Lenin statue?
Better than listing a bunch of boneheads as though they were martyrs.
Hey, even though he's unpopular and it's complicated, can we call Trotsky a victim of communism? I hope one of those cults has submitted his name so when the wall of names is unveiled scrubbed of all nazis, it will just be him.
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Awoo [she/her] - 4hr
If they put up a Lenin statue communists will immediately start visiting it even if it is anticommunist.
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SoyViking [he/him] - 3hr
The victims of capitalism monument would never be able to be big enough to fit all the names on it.
plinky in canada
Government retreats on Victims of Communism memorial names in aftermath of Nazi controversy
https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/defence-watch/victims-of-communism-memorial-names-nazishow does all this fascism keep winding up in my anticommunism?!
List of donors on the website of the initiating organization (archive): Our Donors | Tribute To Liberty. These were the people initially promised space on the wall IIRC. You could look back in the archive.org to see if some have been removed.
And I found some peer organizations around the world. 30 Years in Making, Museum Dedicated to Victims of Communism Opens Monuments Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation
lol they can't find 500 people who are actual "victims of communism" but not outright fascists. Sounds like poor scholarship as any system composing millions of people will have at least a few victims... nothing is perfect.
I am thinking it would be more expedient to inscribe all the names that have been requested over the years and only change the title: "
victimsvictories of communism".Seriously, in all the extensive records the Soviets kept they can't find 500 people who actually just got fucked over by some opportunist bureaucrat assholes? Place must have been a fuckin utopia
The only non-nazi names they can find are other communists lol
scoreboard of communism
The bodies keep the score
To the tune of Drowning Pool's Bodies.
LET THE BODIES KEEP THE SCORE
LET THE BODIES KEEP THE SCORE
What do you think?
"Canada, a land of refuge" doesn't fit this iteration but I can't think of what to put there that matches the new titles.
Perhaps "a Land of Refuse" since that's where all sorts of fascist scum scurried to in the postwar period.
Couldn't be bothered reworking the french so I just removed it.
I like it
I didn't realise how much this looks like absolute shit. A black box with a Helvetica font on it - seriously? You couldn't even be arsed to pay sculptor to do something eye-catching for your big monument?
I was trying to find a better pic to show my proposed name change and did some across this
Source: Vandals attack site of Memorial to the Victims of Communism in Ottawa [archive] by Kate Bandura (Bandera?) July 2020
lol
That is amazing
For a real fun time, we could cross-reference the list of groups that are accused of being Ruzzian for saying the Holocaust was bad with the list of groups accusing others of being antisemites for saying the Gaza genocide is bad.
I guess I'm saying that a significant part of western "civilization" is just genocide enthusiasts standing in a circle pointing at each other without even a hint of irony lmao.
Fun fact: Canada admitted thousands of nazis after the war and allowed them to live unmolested indefinitely afterwards. In fact, flashing your swastika tattoo to a border guard pretty much guaranteed you entry because it proved that you were an anti-communist and would fit in just fine.
60 Minutes: Nazis in Canada 🇨🇦 (1997)
Ah, yes. Liberalism. The good guys.
well I mean gosh what else are you going to be, a TANKIE???
At least 100k iirc some of whom had named participation in the Holocaust.
Yep.
https://jacobin.com/2023/12/canada-ukrainian-nationalists-socialists-history-anti-communism-nazi-collaborators
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
these poeple (archive link) submitted a slightly more whimsical concept that I almost like, just given how strongly associated pulling down statues is with the woke and the concept annoys right wingers so much. It would really put them into cognitive dissonance.
To be fair, it is kind of is a depiction of current communism. Toppling dangerously, but not yet with face planted in the ground. Offers the very interested possibility of the statue's level being one day corrected.
Would this be Canada's first Lenin statue?
Better than listing a bunch of boneheads as though they were martyrs.
Hey, even though he's unpopular and it's complicated, can we call Trotsky a victim of communism? I hope one of those cults has submitted his name so when the wall of names is unveiled scrubbed of all nazis, it will just be him.
If they put up a Lenin statue communists will immediately start visiting it even if it is anticommunist.
The victims of capitalism monument would never be able to be big enough to fit all the names on it.