The next amendment also calls for protecting the children with tamper-proof, system-wide monitoring software watching all devices' internet and file usage.
Such a software would both technically infeasible and stricter than the worst and fakest 'North Korea surveillance' accusations I've ever seen.
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Esoteir [he/him] - 1day
how would you even enforce this lmao
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PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them] - 1day
Suppressing the technology is impossible. Targeting the payment processors is trivial.
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SootySootySoot [any] - 1day
Friendly reminder that Mullvad encourages payment in cash. Can't target that payment processor
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Blep [he/him] - 1day
I mean the mail probably could intercept packages to mullvads addresses
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SootySootySoot [any] - 1day
Admittedly true, but way more work, and probably infeasible unless the UK restarted arbitrarily inspecting all mail
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darkcalling [comrade/them, she/her] - 18hr
They don't do that there? I mean not open and inspect but inspect outside. In the US all pieces of mail are photographed for tracking people down after the fact.
Anyways as mail sorting is done automatically with computers blocking mailed payments to their address would be beyond trivial. Just have machines sort it straight to MI6 or the London Police or a special naughty bin. True I suppose people could use re-mailer services though those are kind of hard to find, kind of expensive, and most of them are for package forwarding for people buying from abroad so not the types of companies who would resist pressure on a front like this as this group of people would be more trouble than they're worth making up a fraction of their business.
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SootySootySoot [any] - 5hr
Yes, blocking to certain addresses is probably feasible (though international mail pretty much exclusively ignores the address, so would be extra work).
But remailing here is a pretty cheap service, about 1 dollar per package. I daresay it'd be much more available and cheap if mail was being blocked for such things. And I fail to see why overseas remailers would ever feel at all "under pressure", they wouldn't care about UK laws.
Obviously yes at the end of the day there's a whole arms race to be had. My point really is just that paying in cash is exceptionally harder to seriously stop, it'd take new laws and major investment. Whereas card payments to all VPN providers can be stopped overnight with just like.. a private word from a government official.
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IncensedCedar [comrade/them, any] - 24hr
Proton VPN and rise up VPN both offer free VPN options
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Awoo [she/her] - 1day
They'll block access to the VPN service's main webpage that sells the product, same as they block any other online service that does not comply with laws.
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SootySootySoot [any] - 1day
Get one VPN where you identify yourself. Then use it to bypass the block and get another VPN. Bam.
One kid with a VPN could make a lotta playground moolah by enabling others.
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whatdoiputhere12 [any, he/him] - 1day
yeah if a vpn has no actual business in the uk, and they obviously tell the government to fuck off, what next?
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BeanisBrain [he/him, they/them] - 1day
Why are all the Western countries trying to build their own Great Firewalls lately?
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Awoo [she/her] - 1day
Socialism had to isolate itself in order to survive in a world where capitalism surrounded it and sought to destroy it from all sides.
Capitalism is preparing for a world where China is the hegemony, where they have to isolate themselves in a capitalist bubble in order to survive.
It is the bourgeois state protecting itself in much the same way the socialist state protected itself.
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Sam [none/use name] - 1day
Siege Capitalism
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Awoo [she/her] - 1day
Yeah exactly.
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keepcarrot [she/her] - 1day
Damn, that's going to suck
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sexywheat [none/use name] - 1day
A number of reasons, one of them being that they lost control of the narrative and most young people all hate Pissreal and imperialism now
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JustSo [she/her, any] - 1day
Cuz we're winning and they're losing.
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Dort_Owl [they/them, any] - 1day
Information control?
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SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them] - 1day
In Soviet North China they ban vpns for underage kids they also paved over all the parks and made all public spaces pay to play
Also this decision is made by a small cadre of largely unelected functionaries who have become so out of touch with the people because they're so privileged.
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Cysio - 1day
Some of them literally call themselves Lords
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SootySootySoot [any] - 1day
Over half of them actually. There's way more Lords than MPs
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Awoo [she/her] - 1day
This would require proving your age to the VPN provider, which de-anonymises VPN usage.
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SootySootySoot [any] - 1day
Regulations under subsection (1)—
(c) must make provision for the monitoring and effective enforcement of the child VPN prohibition.
I don't think that's a side effect. The law pretty explicitly requires monitoring of any kind that the Secretary of State decides.
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XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX [none/use name] - 1day
you will NOT jack off, so HELP me GOD!!!!!
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SootySootySoot [any] - 1day
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PaulSmackage [he/him, comrade/them] - 1day
It's the House of Lords. I could ask them to spell VPN and they'd start counting their fingers.
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KuroXppi [they/them] - 24hr
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infuziSporg [e/em/eir] - 21hr
In a way, they're sabotaging their future technological capabilities. Teens that are prohibited from using a VPN are not going to explore the field of networking as much.
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horn_e4_beaver @discuss.tchncs.de - 8hr
Privacy is not to be permitted. Under 16s are not to be permitted encryption. No one is to have anything to hide except for the Government who will hide everything.
git in news
UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16
https://alecmuffett.com/article/134925The next amendment also calls for protecting the children with tamper-proof, system-wide monitoring software watching all devices' internet and file usage.
Such a software would both technically infeasible and stricter than the worst and fakest 'North Korea surveillance' accusations I've ever seen.
how would you even enforce this lmao
Suppressing the technology is impossible. Targeting the payment processors is trivial.
Friendly reminder that Mullvad encourages payment in cash. Can't target that payment processor
I mean the mail probably could intercept packages to mullvads addresses
Admittedly true, but way more work, and probably infeasible unless the UK restarted arbitrarily inspecting all mail
They don't do that there? I mean not open and inspect but inspect outside. In the US all pieces of mail are photographed for tracking people down after the fact.
Anyways as mail sorting is done automatically with computers blocking mailed payments to their address would be beyond trivial. Just have machines sort it straight to MI6 or the London Police or a special naughty bin. True I suppose people could use re-mailer services though those are kind of hard to find, kind of expensive, and most of them are for package forwarding for people buying from abroad so not the types of companies who would resist pressure on a front like this as this group of people would be more trouble than they're worth making up a fraction of their business.
Yes, blocking to certain addresses is probably feasible (though international mail pretty much exclusively ignores the address, so would be extra work).
But remailing here is a pretty cheap service, about 1 dollar per package. I daresay it'd be much more available and cheap if mail was being blocked for such things. And I fail to see why overseas remailers would ever feel at all "under pressure", they wouldn't care about UK laws.
Obviously yes at the end of the day there's a whole arms race to be had. My point really is just that paying in cash is exceptionally harder to seriously stop, it'd take new laws and major investment. Whereas card payments to all VPN providers can be stopped overnight with just like.. a private word from a government official.
Proton VPN and rise up VPN both offer free VPN options
They'll block access to the VPN service's main webpage that sells the product, same as they block any other online service that does not comply with laws.
Get one VPN where you identify yourself. Then use it to bypass the block and get another VPN. Bam.
One kid with a VPN could make a lotta playground moolah by enabling others.
yeah if a vpn has no actual business in the uk, and they obviously tell the government to fuck off, what next?
Why are all the Western countries trying to build their own Great Firewalls lately?
Socialism had to isolate itself in order to survive in a world where capitalism surrounded it and sought to destroy it from all sides.
Capitalism is preparing for a world where China is the hegemony, where they have to isolate themselves in a capitalist bubble in order to survive.
It is the bourgeois state protecting itself in much the same way the socialist state protected itself.
Yeah exactly.
Damn, that's going to suck
A number of reasons, one of them being that they lost control of the narrative and most young people all hate Pissreal and imperialism now
Cuz we're winning and they're losing.
Information control?
In Soviet North China they ban vpns for underage kids they also paved over all the parks and made all public spaces pay to play
Also this decision is made by a small cadre of largely unelected functionaries who have become so out of touch with the people because they're so privileged.
Some of them literally call themselves Lords
Over half of them actually. There's way more Lords than MPs
This would require proving your age to the VPN provider, which de-anonymises VPN usage.
I don't think that's a side effect. The law pretty explicitly requires monitoring of any kind that the Secretary of State decides.
you will NOT jack off, so HELP me GOD!!!!!
It's the House of Lords. I could ask them to spell VPN and they'd start counting their fingers.
In a way, they're sabotaging their future technological capabilities. Teens that are prohibited from using a VPN are not going to explore the field of networking as much.
Privacy is not to be permitted. Under 16s are not to be permitted encryption. No one is to have anything to hide except for the Government who will hide everything.