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Serious question: Have the executives pushing for AI to be in everything ever actually used AI?

Or do they just take what marketing people say about the tools at face value? Because they seem genuinely surprised that people don't like the tools, when even the most ardent AI enthusiasts I've seen that use the tools are well aware of their limitations.

SchillMenaker [he/him] - 3day

They probably use it more than anyone else, but the things you need to remember is that they don't do real jobs and they're generally pretty terrible at the fake jobs that they have. AI is perfect for that. They think it's literally magic. Imagine if all you did was look at and send emails all day every day and you were bad at that and a tool came by that made it so you barely had to read or send emails yourself anymore and it was usually pretty close to correct. They think that God has intervened on their behalf.

And then you can take it further, because they're bad at what they do they think that everybody else's job is even more fake than theirs because they make so much more money than anyone else that what they do has to be way harder than what the idiot employees do. Well if the magic AI tool can pretty much do my job and everybody else tautologically has a much easier job than me, then AI should be able to do those jobs even better. Then tack on the fact that, if they're right, they should get huge bonuses for cutting so many costs and you can understand pretty easily why they think the way that they do.

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Infamousblt [any] - 3day

Yes they absolutely do. They love it because it takes away all of the excuses of "this is too difficult or time consuming" from all of their underlings, so they think. What do you mean it takes you a week to write this highly technical document, just ask Gemini I did and it did it in seconds. What do you mean it will take you 2 months to write that application, just use Claude I did and it took me an hour. What do you mean it will take you 4 weeks to talk to customers and gather requirements, just ask ChatGPT I did and it took minutes.

And they aren't wrong you CAN do those things and you will get some output. What they fail to recognize is that output might be wrong, or missing important details, or missing functionality that they don't realize is important, or won't get you to an innovative solution, etc. They see an output and assume it must be the correct output so everyone saying to do it the right way must be sandbagging.

What will happen over time as more and more of the world is run off the back of stuff built mostly by AI is that those cracks will start growing and growing, the experts who catch them and fix them before they become real issues will become fewer and further between, and eventually it's going to all come crashing down.

AI is speed running the collapse of capitalism. Ridiculous investment into something that is obviously completely unsustainable is capitalism's MO and AI exemplifies this on an unprecedented scale. But execs don't think about that or care about that, they want to slam AI into everything so they can cash out as fast as possible. They have no interest in "can this application still be valuable in 10 years" or "will this document be useful in 5 years" or whatever they care about "can I cash my company out into the AI investment bubble before it pops and I'm left holding the bag."

I suspect many executives know this but you'll never hear them say it because they are not incentivized to be honest. The sooner they can cash out of the bubble the better and they won't do that if they don't buy into it to begin with.

It's the fundamental flaw of capitalism laid bare; capitalism is not interested in production, it is interested in profit. AI is largely an accelerator of profit, not production, and that's why it is being so heavily pushed by the capital class.

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BodyBySisyphus [he/him] - 3day

The sooner they can cash out of the bubble the better and they won't do that if they don't buy into it to begin with.

I don't know if this is fully the case - there are tons of people who are already sitting on a dragon's hoard who are yeeting significant chunks of it into AI investments. They could've cashed out if they wanted, but like the story with the monkey and the coconut, they can't let go of enough to get their paws back out. I think there are some who genuinely believe this is an opportunity to deal away with the proletariat and all of the headaches its existence causes and will spend mountains of cash in pursuit of the techno utopia where it's just rich people and robots.

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BigBoyKarlLiebknecht [he/him, comrade/them] - 3day

At a previous job, a multi-billion dollar Y Combinator darling, the CEO learned that our largest customer was walking away. His response was to hop into Slack and ask a ChatGPT bot for guidance. In a public channel. I am still not sure whether the bigger problem was the impending potential collapse or the fact that he was workshopping survival strategies with an AI in front of the whole company. This was prior to the loss of the customer being announced, too.

These people are not serious people. To quote Ed Zitron, they are business idiots. They think they are gifted captains of industry, yet they cling to a machine that tells them they are brilliant while it spits out work with no real substance. It matches the kind of employees they reward - the ones who perfect the performance of work rather than the work itself.

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SevenSnackraments [they/them, null/void] - 3day

Anecdotally, it happens that I used to have frequent, close interactions with a boomer executive who loved AI. From what I could tell, he used it extensively for his own job which appeared to primarily be vibes-based nonsense to begin with. This bled over into the rest of his predictably vibes-based nonsense life, where he'd use ChatGPT to come up with political talking points to break out at lunch or help decide what junk to put in his next twice-weekly Amazon order. There was this time where I overheard him talking on the phone to his nephew who had been struggling with depression and he said something like "have you considered talking to ChatGPT about this?"

Anyway, the point being that these executives seem to live very vibes-based, consequence-free lives to begin with so of course they never see a downside to AI.

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Beaver [he/him] - 3day

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the "job" of a lot of people in powerful positions is to generate text in response to prompts. Their entire world has changed... therefor, the entire world must be changing in the same way they've experienced! AI does everything for me, so it must be able to do everything for everyone! We have to go all-in!

i-love-not-thinking

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Awoo [she/her] - 3day

You interact with AI the same way a manager interacts with an employee.

It is not that surprising that working class people hate the shit, whereas everyone in management and up like it. The worker interacts with the brush by holding it and making beautiful art, the manager interacts with the artist by saying "hey artist, make me an art".

The exec doesn't actually make anything and this fits right into how they usually interact with people to make things. They also just expect it to get better, and like a fairly average employee they're willing to give it time to improve which is something they do already for employees that aren't always great.

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LaBellaLotta [any] - 3day

Very well said

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queermunist she/her - 3day

We have a Dunning-Kruger economy, the c-suite thinks that the slop they're shitting out is good because they don't actually have any expertise in the commodities their companies produce. Every dipshit with a business degree thinks his vibe-coded app works great, and it took less than an hour, so his underlings should be able to churn out product as quickly as he can shit out slop.

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Dort_Owl [they/them, any] - 3day

Executives tend to be pretty wormbrained. They live for trends and are desperately afraid of not being in with the status quo.

Capitalism is full of rich idiots tricking other rich idiots with fomo

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juniper [none/use name] - 3day

Capitalism is full of rich idiots tricking other rich idiots with fomo

Um excuse me sweaty its called innovation maybe-later-kiddo

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AernaLingus [any] - 3day

Capitalism is full of rich idiots tricking other rich idiots with fomo

I've already shared this on Hexbear a few times, but there's a great blog post titled "Brainwash an Executive Today" that talks about the specifics of this grift in the tech sector. Here's an excerpt (although I recommend reading the whole thing!):

::: spoiler Excerpt There is a massive industry that is built around gathering people that fit the "thinks LinkedIn is studying" profile into rooms, who also have access to organizational money, and then charging sales teams for permission to get into that room. I was dimly aware that this stuff happens, but it is now impossible from my professional profile to tell that I am one guy doing his best to write good software with a few friends, as opposed to a millionaire, which resulted in the following message:

Dear Ludic,

I saw that you are featured in an upcoming webinar as below:

A Boardroom Guide to AI: Spotting Hype and Managing Costs

Noting this, I would like to bring the below to your attention, as [REDACTED] staged this as a very successful in-person event in June of this year targeting directors.

[REDACTED] is the leading annual event for board directors from publicly traded companies across the United States, attracting directors now for the last 20 years.

Next year's event will take place at [REDACTED]

We expect around 70-80 directors to be in attendance, representing some 200+ boards.

The event is entirely in-person.

If it works for you, I would suggest a short call to discuss the specifics, including positioning Hermit Tech on the agenda (attached) with a commercial opportunity.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

With best regards,
[REDACTED]

After a quick exchange, it became apparent that the deal is as follows: I can wire them money and in exchange be granted access to the fancy room, where I would be allowed to Market to these people. I would turn up in a suit, exaggerate how successful my business is, possibly make some incredibly grotesque comments about women^[https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/brainwash-an-executive-today/#fn:4] ^[https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/brainwash-an-executive-today/#fn:5] depending on the clientele so that the male directors know that I'm one of them, and finally we will Do Business.

Money now in exchange for access to credulous people who use words like synergy with a straight face later. I have no doubt that the actual attendees would vary wildly, ranging from a few savvy people, to outright grifters, to the terminally deranged. Even the pleasant and sufficiently skeptical can feel compelled to attend because the truth is that executive compensation and funding is driven by your relationships to other people, but make no mistake, the goal of salespeople with weak products is to find the weakest minds in the audience and lay siege. They are enormously vulnerable — I know many people who fit this profile, and it is disconcerting to see people put the whammy on them. They zone out when Donald Trump is on a nearby television, eyes glazing over, and in private will say "he makes a lot of sense" without being able to repeat anything he said. They buy into things like the prosperity gospel with hardly any prompting, and can more-or-less have absolutely no ability to avoid scams — they'll happily say that they're not technical people but quantum is the future.

To quote Ed Zitron, who later on in this excellent piece quotes me, forming the mythical content promotion ouroboros:

Whatever organization that's burdened you with some sort of half-baked, half-useful piece of shit business app has done so because the people up top don't care if it's good, just that it works, and "works" can be an extremely fuzzy word. It doesn't matter that Microsoft Teams is universally-loathed and regularly threatens to crash every time you load it. A Microsoft salesperson used its monopoly power to cut your boss a deal to either bundle it with a bunch of other mediocre shit or they saw the name "Microsoft" and said "oh boy! I love Microsoft Word!" and pulled out their credit card so fast it left a gouge in their monitor.

Indeed, we've only seen one side of the coin — I get the messages aimed at sponsors, where they trust that I will don the mantle of the wolf and select the choicest morsels from the flock that they have gathered. A friend who wishes to remain anonymous sent me what the prey receives:


[Can't do nested spoilers, so here is an inline transcription of the screenshot:

Sponsorship

www.cshub.com/events-ciso-exchange-april/downloads/spex-prospectus

The Chief Information Security Officer Exchange offers you the chance to do business with some of the most prestigious organizations in the world. The CISO Exchange provides many different platforms for cutting-edge solution providers to increase their market share and awareness to their target audience through leveraging different sponsorship opportunities.

At the CISO Exchange we qualify all attendees based on job function, strategic responsibility and budgeting authority to ensure you're guaranteed to meet and engage with an elite group within the cybersecurity space. To ensure all of our attendees are qualified they must be able to answer yes to the following questions:

  • My company's annual revenue is $1 Billion or above
  • I sit in the C-Suite or report directly to the C-Suite
  • I control or directly influence where the cybersecurity budget is spent
  • I manage corporate strategy at the regional, divisional or group level]

This is absolutely shameless. "Ensure you're guaranteed to meet and engage with an elite group in the cybersecurity space". What are the actual questions?

Do you have lots of money? Are you authorized to spend that money? They're just doing lead qualification. That's all this is. I currently run sales and marketing for about twenty hours a week — I know, I know, what have I become? — but I would not be able to ask questions this crass without hiding my face in shame.

The same person sent me the following PDF from a Melbourne-based conference which includes a sponsorship package that they call the "guy at the bar thinks you're cute and wanted to buy you this drink" package.


[Transcription of the screenshot:

Targeted Invitations – $2,500

Want to make sure certain organisations are represented in the room?

We offer a service where we will invite on your behalf individuals from targeted organisations and provide them a free complimentary ticket to the event. If they accept the ticket and register, we will connect them with a representative on your team so they can organise a meeting on-site.

For the $2,500, we will provide 5 complimentary tickets to up to 5 targeted organisations.]


You can straight-up buy people tickets to attend events, and have a concierge deliver them into the eager maw of your marketing machine. I was shocked to see an absolutely trivial price tag too. A$2.5K? Even my tiny operation spent more than that last week buying hardware for one engineer — it's a rounding error to get the person that chooses what technology you're going to be using for the next five years and whether you're being laid off into my sales kill box. I just have to wave my company credit card and bellow forth a wretched miasma of lies about no-code tools and generative AI, and voilà, some of you are unemployed now! :::

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Sickos [they/them, it/its] - 3day

This is a good blog. Thanks.

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towhee [he/him] - 3day

AI is one of those things that, like VR, hits incredibly hard right off the bat and then as you interact with it more the novelty fades and you can't ignore the issues. So have they used AI? Probably a bit. Not enough to see the shit part.

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LaughingLion [any, any] - 3day

I got VR during the early pandemic when I had a good remote job. There were a few games that hit hard, like Moss and The Climb, where it was implemented well and then there was Beat Saber. And guess what? The headset became a Beat Saber machine and that's pretty much it. AI is kind of like that. It has become a machine to cheat on school work and to sex chatbot for most people, the only two things outside of translation that it does halfway decently.

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sexywheat [none/use name] - 3day

I got VR during the early pandemic when I had a good remote job.

Ditto, although I've also found that Half Life Alyx was also outstanding (although terrifying) and I've had a lot of fun playing Fallout 4 VR once I was able to mod it into a playable game.

Superhot rocks ass too, and Gorn is a lot of fun if you just want to beat the shit out of things (careful of your surroundings I broke my keyboard while playing this game)

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Moidialectica [he/him, comrade/them] - 3day

it's a godsend for tagging semantics, but that's a hyperspecific context and I'm sure there is something out there more suitable for this that I just don't know about. I'll keep using my 3b model to tag two million messages until then.

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john_brown [comrade/them] - 3day

I deal with a lot of "entrepreneur" small business tyrants and they are increasingly using AI instead of hiring IT staff. The AI is always wrong but it's confident and the small business tyrants are clueless rubes, so it can cause a lot of irritation when they just paste in a giant block of text from an LLM, including the preface where the LLM is telling them how great this output is to send to us and how it's concise and to the point while getting across that the client isn't a techy person but they've covered all their bases beforehand. It's to the point where if I get any communications from a client that have the hint of LLM generation I paste in a line about LLMs not being trained on our documentation and therefore cannot be useful for this purpose and will only waste the client's time and our own.

I assume large corporations are run by very similar people who just have more resources and employees around them to tweak and adjust the outputs of the shitty LLM they use to think for them.

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sexywheat [none/use name] - 3day

I don't think it's a coincidence that shortly after the rollout of AI at big tech companies we've seen AWS go down globally (multiple times?), Azure went down, CloudFlare went down (multiple times?), and Microsoft has pumped out broken update after broken update for Windows 11.

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nasezero [comrade/them] - 3day

My company's execs talk to us through chatbots pretty much exclusively. Every email and slack message is filled with gratuitous amounts of emdashes and "it's not just x, it's y" agony-shivering

These people are increasingly tripping over their words when they speak, by the way. And the AI-generated shit they post is increasingly fluffly (and thankfully easily-ignored) nonsense. I just imagine their frontal cortexes look like shriveled up raisins more and more each day. If these people weren't Satan's minions, I'd be horrified watching them slowly lobotomize themselves, but they are evil greedy bastards so fuck 'em, I hope their brains finally melt out of their ears once we announce our intentions to unionize. sicko-beaming

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homhom9000 [she/her] - 3day

A few years back when genAI was the craze we had execs create full PowerPoints with genAI images. I still have some screenshots because that was the era where humans had 6 finger and text we incoherent, not even letters. They used these images for serious topics on company updates and were so proud of themselves

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supafuzz [comrade/them] - 3day

CEOs are the original bullshit extrusion machines, chatbots in suits. Using a gippity is like looking in the mirror for them

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miz [any, any] - 3day

redacted-1redacted-2

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D61 [any] - 3day

Wasn't one of the first AI products a way to have the machine write replies to emails and texts for you? I would be incredibly surprised if they don't use the machine to make slightly less auto-reply-y sounding auto-replied email responses.

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invalidusernamelol [he/him] - 3day

Is just baked into Gmail and Outlook now. I can't even draft an email without it trying to "auto complete" entire paragraphs with bogus nonsense info. Which is definitely not okay when that email is about detailed design/engineering specifications.

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Soot [any] - 3day

Why do you think execs even give a fuck whether people don't like the tools? The people have little choice.

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nothx [he/him] - 3day

The CEOs? Probably not. But the other management levels have most definitely used it on a surface level to see if they can perform the same tasks as their subordinates. Then they proceed to force the same subordinates to leverage AI. When the subordinates don’t adopt it fully or as quickly as management wants there ends up being negative impact on their employment.

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sexywheat [none/use name] - 2day

leverage AI

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daniyeg [he/him] - 3day

i think they used it superficially, were impressed compared to what level of technology they were used to which for 50~60 year old execs would be blackberry phones, and just bought into the marketing vision wholesale. some can see through the bubble but are still investing because they believe others have bought into the vision, and they want to profit from it.

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