"Show me the Poster and I'll Find you the Ban Cause"
-Chapo mod 23/12/2020
"the Ban of one poster is a Tragedy, The Banning of Hundreds is an Statistic"
-ChaCha mod
How it started
Awoo [she/her] - 2w
14 bans per day in an art subreddit is awfully high. 5-8 sounds more reasonable though, AI content and people insulting artists would reach that average pretty easily in a sub that size. Only 63 being a valid reason is nonsense, they just don't have any documentation so they don't know.
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alexei_1917 [mirror/your pronouns] - 2w
Some people can power trip on a thimble of power. A shit ton of people who sign up for utterly thankless and underpaid positions working with children do it for that exact reason, because no one views that kind of behaviour as petty or power tripping when all of the victims are children, because Western society views all children as property and people's property rights as sacrosanct, so at worst treating children who aren't yours in outrageously horrible ways is handled as a property crime against the parents, and anything less than that is viewed as morally debatable but generally your right and prerogative as the responsible adult immediately in charge and physical control of those children in that time and place.
If you want to see this level of "drunk on a thimble of power" in the real world, volunteer for something at an elementary school or community program for kids and watch how the other adults organizing things act towards the children.
No one ever believed me that the school staff almost all tended to get drunk on power when alone with kids and like minded coworkers. Until they'd lose control and treat a parent at a school event the way they treated us behind closed doors. "Mum, why are you going nuts? That's just how Mrs. Davis always is. You told me she doesn't sound all that bad." Yes, I had to use that line multiple times per school year after poking the worst of these types until they'd treat my mum how they treated me when she wasn't there.
I am not surprised these people will also power trip on running a forum. Happens in Facebook groups and small independent forum sites too. Anonymity of the Internet provides them that same effect of being able to power trip over people who can't do anything to retaliate or resist.
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Flaps [he/him] - 2w
Idk where you live but as a teacher, i havent expierenced anything like that. Few bad ones when i went to school myself, sure. This was back in the 90s and nillies. The few bad teachers we had now in my school, you know, the tyrannical kind, dont last more than two months so from my lived expierience, idk what youre on about.
Also, in the west teachers are shat on in general so you understand your comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth
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alexei_1917 [mirror/your pronouns] - 2w
The combination of special needs programs in cultural and religious contexts where those children in particular are considered worth a great deal less than "normal" children, and generally not believed at face value when they complain about nasty or mean or dangerous adults to the level that abled children are, and Catholic schools and all the institutional and cultural baggage surrounding them, is a hell of a doozy. I don't think any people in power I was forced to shut up and endure could have lasted as long as they did working outside special needs or outside church schools.
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Sphere [he/him, they/them] - 2w
As someone who experienced "special ed," I just want to say that you're wrong, and your instinct to become defensive is exactly the attitude that enables the people at issue here.
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blunder [he/him] - 2w
How can his personal experience be wrong? It may be a blissfully ignorant one that can be rebutted but I doubt he is lying
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Sphere [he/him, they/them] - 2w
I misread the comment as saying that "the few bad teachers...don't last more than two months" (I missed the "at my school" bit of that sentence). But it's easy to think it isn't happening when the only witnesses are the "problem children" who, by default, are typically not taken seriously when they complain about adults.
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blunder [he/him] - 2w
Yes, unfortunately all too true.
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oscardejarjayes [comrade/them] - 2w
That's insane. They should make me mod, I'd pump those numbers up way higher.
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dead [he/him] - 2w
The bans are considered invalid because the old mod team resigned and reddit appointed an entirely new mod team with different standards.
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Ram_The_Manparts [he/him] - 2w
These are rookie numbers.
More
Swing that hammer!
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30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs [she/her] - 2w
EMBRACE 👏 TC69 👏 THOUGHT
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WellTheresYourCobbler [ey/em, they/them] - 2w
Imfao I watched slop commentary on this while shitting it’s so absurd
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came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them] - 2w
the lower the stakes, the more petty the tyrant becomes.
i worked in western academia for a decade. i saw things unfold that i did not even know how to react to. we're talking screaming in meetings/on phone calls over imagined boundaries of "turf", title policing, emails in all caps with abusive language to poorly paid/untrained staff for not using honorifics.
theres a reason the academy is #2 in the US (behind the military) for workplace bullying statistics, and its because the training to become an academic never includes or requires any soft skills.
to be fair, its not all of them, but the bad actors run amok and never seem to get called on it unless they publicly confess to something that brings negative attention to the school.
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stink @lemmygrad.ml - 2w
Professors can get away with a lot of shit, too. Blatantly racist remarks and targeting get swept under the rug unless there's a news story about it
8
towhee [he/him] - 2w
Exact same thing happens in open source software. Many are just there for the love of the game and commit access is as clear a power delineation as can exist. Holy fuck you meet some absolutely malevolent children.
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RedSturgeon [she/her] - 2w
Artist drama. Lovely.
Y'all should try to moderate an art community someday, you will understand. Like a public facing art community that anyone can join. Go on it will be fun, art is a lot of fun I promise.
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OBJECTION! - 2w
I would simply allow the things that are art and ban the things that are not art.
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Belly_Beanis [he/him] - 2w
tapes banana to the wall
Where is your God now?
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OBJECTION! - 2w
Hmm, as someone with a STEM degree, I feel fully qualified to figure this one out. If it's on a wall, that's like a painting so it's art. If it's on a pedestal, that's like a sculpture and it's art. Everything else is not art. Bam. Done.
Humanities are literally so easy??
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Le_Wokisme [they/them, undecided] - 2w
obviously in r/artcirclejerk
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blunder [he/him] - 2w
This is the sloppiest slop I've ever seen
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ZWQbpkzl [none/use name] - 2w
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larrikin99 [none/use name] - 2w
it was less that the guy was mad with power or overly sensitive as much as he just didn't give a shit about the sub and enjoyed trolling people, i doubt he thought he was being fair.
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shath [comrade/them] - 2w
im a mod of a subreddit that attracts liberals like flies. we ban pretty liberally (ironically) and automod takes care of the rest - it's really funny seeing people ask for a trial like the moderation system is a legal system.
no fuck off lib, i ain't paid to do this. go find another subreddit
thelastaxolotl in slop
becoming mad with power with the smallest amount of power
tweto
How it started
14 bans per day in an art subreddit is awfully high. 5-8 sounds more reasonable though, AI content and people insulting artists would reach that average pretty easily in a sub that size. Only 63 being a valid reason is nonsense, they just don't have any documentation so they don't know.
Some people can power trip on a thimble of power. A shit ton of people who sign up for utterly thankless and underpaid positions working with children do it for that exact reason, because no one views that kind of behaviour as petty or power tripping when all of the victims are children, because Western society views all children as property and people's property rights as sacrosanct, so at worst treating children who aren't yours in outrageously horrible ways is handled as a property crime against the parents, and anything less than that is viewed as morally debatable but generally your right and prerogative as the responsible adult immediately in charge and physical control of those children in that time and place.
If you want to see this level of "drunk on a thimble of power" in the real world, volunteer for something at an elementary school or community program for kids and watch how the other adults organizing things act towards the children.
No one ever believed me that the school staff almost all tended to get drunk on power when alone with kids and like minded coworkers. Until they'd lose control and treat a parent at a school event the way they treated us behind closed doors. "Mum, why are you going nuts? That's just how Mrs. Davis always is. You told me she doesn't sound all that bad." Yes, I had to use that line multiple times per school year after poking the worst of these types until they'd treat my mum how they treated me when she wasn't there.
I am not surprised these people will also power trip on running a forum. Happens in Facebook groups and small independent forum sites too. Anonymity of the Internet provides them that same effect of being able to power trip over people who can't do anything to retaliate or resist.
Idk where you live but as a teacher, i havent expierenced anything like that. Few bad ones when i went to school myself, sure. This was back in the 90s and nillies. The few bad teachers we had now in my school, you know, the tyrannical kind, dont last more than two months so from my lived expierience, idk what youre on about.
Also, in the west teachers are shat on in general so you understand your comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth
The combination of special needs programs in cultural and religious contexts where those children in particular are considered worth a great deal less than "normal" children, and generally not believed at face value when they complain about nasty or mean or dangerous adults to the level that abled children are, and Catholic schools and all the institutional and cultural baggage surrounding them, is a hell of a doozy. I don't think any people in power I was forced to shut up and endure could have lasted as long as they did working outside special needs or outside church schools.
As someone who experienced "special ed," I just want to say that you're wrong, and your instinct to become defensive is exactly the attitude that enables the people at issue here.
How can his personal experience be wrong? It may be a blissfully ignorant one that can be rebutted but I doubt he is lying
I misread the comment as saying that "the few bad teachers...don't last more than two months" (I missed the "at my school" bit of that sentence). But it's easy to think it isn't happening when the only witnesses are the "problem children" who, by default, are typically not taken seriously when they complain about adults.
Yes, unfortunately all too true.
That's insane. They should make me mod, I'd pump those numbers up way higher.
The bans are considered invalid because the old mod team resigned and reddit appointed an entirely new mod team with different standards.
These are rookie numbers.
More
Swing that hammer!
EMBRACE 👏 TC69 👏 THOUGHT
Imfao I watched slop commentary on this while shitting it’s so absurd
the lower the stakes, the more petty the tyrant becomes.
i worked in western academia for a decade. i saw things unfold that i did not even know how to react to. we're talking screaming in meetings/on phone calls over imagined boundaries of "turf", title policing, emails in all caps with abusive language to poorly paid/untrained staff for not using honorifics.
theres a reason the academy is #2 in the US (behind the military) for workplace bullying statistics, and its because the training to become an academic never includes or requires any soft skills.
to be fair, its not all of them, but the bad actors run amok and never seem to get called on it unless they publicly confess to something that brings negative attention to the school.
Professors can get away with a lot of shit, too. Blatantly racist remarks and targeting get swept under the rug unless there's a news story about it
Exact same thing happens in open source software. Many are just there for the love of the game and commit access is as clear a power delineation as can exist. Holy fuck you meet some absolutely malevolent children.
Artist drama. Lovely.
Y'all should try to moderate an art community someday, you will understand. Like a public facing art community that anyone can join. Go on it will be fun, art is a lot of fun I promise.
I would simply allow the things that are art and ban the things that are not art.
tapes banana to the wall
Where is your God now?
Hmm, as someone with a STEM degree, I feel fully qualified to figure this one out. If it's on a wall, that's like a painting so it's art. If it's on a pedestal, that's like a sculpture and it's art. Everything else is not art. Bam. Done.
Humanities are literally so easy??
obviously in r/artcirclejerk
This is the sloppiest slop I've ever seen
it was less that the guy was mad with power or overly sensitive as much as he just didn't give a shit about the sub and enjoyed trolling people, i doubt he thought he was being fair.
im a mod of a subreddit that attracts liberals like flies. we ban pretty liberally (ironically) and automod takes care of the rest - it's really funny seeing people ask for a trial like the moderation system is a legal system.
no fuck off lib, i ain't paid to do this. go find another subreddit