Some streamers I watch have described themselves a business owners and to an extent they are. I think? They have employees or in some cases, co-owners but they entirely depend on streaming platforms and brand deals for revenue. In some ways they function as workers for streaming/entertainment companies like twitch or youtube but does this make them proletarian if they also sell commodities? Idk how brand deals work exactly so correct me if I am wrong but normally streamers/youtubers sign deals with companies to create products that use their image to advertise a commodity for which they receive a decent margin of the profits right? Is this bourgeois? They don't own the commodity production right? They are still receiving surplus value but how is this considered a business? Is there a class analysis of streamers I can read somewhere because I feel like this is getting into the nitty gritty of class and I honestly haven't moved beyond semi-proletariat, proletariat, petit-bourgeois, and monopoly bourgeois with peasant sometimes thrown into the mix. Wth is a streamer even. Anyway I am drunk and bored
This is in badposting because it is about streamers.
dead [he/him] - 2w
Bourgeois is an action. It is relationship to another group of people. The bourgeois extracts value from other people through ownership of the means of production. Bourgeois are people who take money from other people simply by owning things.
Look at Dentists for example. You go to a Dentist office and there's different levels of employees there. There typical a bunch of assistants who do the menial cleaning work and then there's 1 or 2 top level dentists that own the office. The top level dentists come in and glance at the teeth after the low level assistants do the cleaning. By owning the practice and overseeing the teeth cleanings, the top level dentists are extracting labor value from the lower level dental cleaners.
There is a Dentist in my town who owns a Dental Practice and is also a landlord who owns dozens of houses, which he uses as rental properties. This guy is Bourgeois.
Are dentists inherently bourgeois? No. Is the act of doing dental work inherently bourgeois? No.
Somebody is bourgeois if they collect money by owning things made by somebody else.
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Keld [he/him, any] - 2w
A dentist working at his own clinic is a fairly classic example of someone who is petite bourgeois
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gayspacemarxist [comrade/them, she/her] - 2w
Good post!
Separate q, how do you remember how to spell "bourgeois"? Do I need to learn French?
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dead [he/him] - 2w
I retype the word a few times until the red squiggly underline disappears.
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TreadOnMe [none/use name] - 2w
I always think of it as 'bour-geois' even though it is pronounced different because French is a cursed language.
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Keld [he/him, any] - 2w
Boer guys
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小莱卡 - 2w
Even if the clinic was operated by the sole owner dentist and they did all the work, it's still bourgeois since their services price includes a profit for them. It's the classic petit bourgeois example.
It's one of the reasons i really dislike the doctor worship that many baby leftists do.
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AssortedBiscuits [they/them] - 2w
Streamers, Youtubers, and influencers as a whole are artisans. The ones who are big enough to employ editors (key word employ) can be said to be petty bourgeois.
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Keld [he/him, any] - 2w
Can they? They do not own their own means of broadcasting. In a very real way they are functionally employees of twitch/kick/youtube
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Crucible [he/him, comrade/them] - 2w
Only if they own their own camera
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SchillMenaker [he/him] - 2w
I'm going to hire a bunch of really catty movie producers so I can finally control the means of production
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小莱卡 - 2w
They're definitely petitbourgeois. Also in this case, the one getting milked is the viewer, not the streamer. The bottom line is selling products to people through ads.
sharkfucker420 in badposting
are streamers bourgeois?
Half genuine question.
Some streamers I watch have described themselves a business owners and to an extent they are. I think? They have employees or in some cases, co-owners but they entirely depend on streaming platforms and brand deals for revenue. In some ways they function as workers for streaming/entertainment companies like twitch or youtube but does this make them proletarian if they also sell commodities? Idk how brand deals work exactly so correct me if I am wrong but normally streamers/youtubers sign deals with companies to create products that use their image to advertise a commodity for which they receive a decent margin of the profits right? Is this bourgeois? They don't own the commodity production right? They are still receiving surplus value but how is this considered a business? Is there a class analysis of streamers I can read somewhere because I feel like this is getting into the nitty gritty of class and I honestly haven't moved beyond semi-proletariat, proletariat, petit-bourgeois, and monopoly bourgeois with peasant sometimes thrown into the mix. Wth is a streamer even. Anyway I am drunk and bored
This is in badposting because it is about streamers.
Bourgeois is an action. It is relationship to another group of people. The bourgeois extracts value from other people through ownership of the means of production. Bourgeois are people who take money from other people simply by owning things.
Look at Dentists for example. You go to a Dentist office and there's different levels of employees there. There typical a bunch of assistants who do the menial cleaning work and then there's 1 or 2 top level dentists that own the office. The top level dentists come in and glance at the teeth after the low level assistants do the cleaning. By owning the practice and overseeing the teeth cleanings, the top level dentists are extracting labor value from the lower level dental cleaners.
There is a Dentist in my town who owns a Dental Practice and is also a landlord who owns dozens of houses, which he uses as rental properties. This guy is Bourgeois.
Are dentists inherently bourgeois? No. Is the act of doing dental work inherently bourgeois? No.
Somebody is bourgeois if they collect money by owning things made by somebody else.
A dentist working at his own clinic is a fairly classic example of someone who is petite bourgeois
Good post!
Separate q, how do you remember how to spell "bourgeois"? Do I need to learn French?
I retype the word a few times until the red squiggly underline disappears.
I always think of it as 'bour-geois' even though it is pronounced different because French is a cursed language.
Boer guys
Even if the clinic was operated by the sole owner dentist and they did all the work, it's still bourgeois since their services price includes a profit for them. It's the classic petit bourgeois example.
It's one of the reasons i really dislike the doctor worship that many baby leftists do.
Streamers, Youtubers, and influencers as a whole are artisans. The ones who are big enough to employ editors (key word employ) can be said to be petty bourgeois.
Can they? They do not own their own means of broadcasting. In a very real way they are functionally employees of twitch/kick/youtube
Only if they own their own camera
I'm going to hire a bunch of really catty movie producers so I can finally control the means of production
They're definitely petitbourgeois. Also in this case, the one getting milked is the viewer, not the streamer. The bottom line is selling products to people through ads.