If you have ever spoken to a scientist or engineer in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, you know that the answer is definitely "no". Theirs are the minds most poisoned by the worst liberal ideology, with absolutely no class consciousness to temper the effects.
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onwardknave [he/him,comrade/them] - 3w
It's too anecdotal. Depends on the field of science, and a million other things. At least, if were going to consider qualifications, avoiding Jim Crow workarounds (e.g. science degree mills) is going to prove impossible to avoid (under electoralism) in the long run. I don't see that as the fault of engineers or scientists, though. It'd happen to any set of qualifications slapped on a political office. Maybe randomize the pool of eligible candidates, to make things more equitable... I don't know.
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CommunistCuddlefish [she/her] - 3w
Because of the class background that tends to be required to make it into and through these programs. They have difficult entrance requirements and are very gruelling. It tends to be that the people who get in and make it through had a strong educational background, which is correlated with socioeconomic status. There's a myth that you must be tough and/or smart to get through, but that's not true. You must be tough and good at school and privileged.
We need scientists and engineers who are also committed leftists, and it's absolutely possible to get those. I was one, before life came at me too hard and took my career. But this requires an understanding of the world that people are not getting at bougrois liberal educational institutions. "My son went to college as a good christian conswrvative and she came back a communist" is a right wing lie. If only it were true! The truth is far worse: their sons go off to college and come back as conservative as ever, or perhaps a smidgen liberal but still firmly western chauvinist and fascist.
I saw too many engineering professors speak casually or even proudly about working for the MIC. I saw too much "we stay out of politics, politics don't matter, I just want to know how the two materials behave under stress". I saw too much "our disciplines are serious, the liberal arts are bullshit" -- I participated in that last one too for a while, envious of how easy my liberal arts friends had it compared to how awful my courseload was
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mrfugu [he/him, any] - 3w
Technocracy relies on the assumption that intelligence is objective and measurable.
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invalidusernamelol [he/him] - 3w
Having actually maintained and accredited science and engineering orgs that aren't captured by any interest but human interest would be necessary. Those groups would also need to be used to implement larger scale political goals.
Otherwise you just end up with groups that will yes man power and act selfishly. Scientists and engineers are just as susceptible to the pressures of the political superstructure as any other group.
Once you have that ability though, the barriers to this have already been torn down though and it's not necessary to gatekeep, but instead just divide labor fairly to those who have the ability. Which means all sectors of labor are capable of running the part of society that they have qualifications and skills for.
quarrk in videos
Dr. Fatima - Should Scientists and Engineers Run Society?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAmzlB40hZsIf you have ever spoken to a scientist or engineer in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, you know that the answer is definitely "no". Theirs are the minds most poisoned by the worst liberal ideology, with absolutely no class consciousness to temper the effects.
It's too anecdotal. Depends on the field of science, and a million other things. At least, if were going to consider qualifications, avoiding Jim Crow workarounds (e.g. science degree mills) is going to prove impossible to avoid (under electoralism) in the long run. I don't see that as the fault of engineers or scientists, though. It'd happen to any set of qualifications slapped on a political office. Maybe randomize the pool of eligible candidates, to make things more equitable... I don't know.
Because of the class background that tends to be required to make it into and through these programs. They have difficult entrance requirements and are very gruelling. It tends to be that the people who get in and make it through had a strong educational background, which is correlated with socioeconomic status. There's a myth that you must be tough and/or smart to get through, but that's not true. You must be tough and good at school and privileged.
We need scientists and engineers who are also committed leftists, and it's absolutely possible to get those. I was one, before life came at me too hard and took my career. But this requires an understanding of the world that people are not getting at bougrois liberal educational institutions. "My son went to college as a good christian conswrvative and she came back a communist" is a right wing lie. If only it were true! The truth is far worse: their sons go off to college and come back as conservative as ever, or perhaps a smidgen liberal but still firmly western chauvinist and fascist.
I saw too many engineering professors speak casually or even proudly about working for the MIC. I saw too much "we stay out of politics, politics don't matter, I just want to know how the two materials behave under stress". I saw too much "our disciplines are serious, the liberal arts are bullshit" -- I participated in that last one too for a while, envious of how easy my liberal arts friends had it compared to how awful my courseload was
Technocracy relies on the assumption that intelligence is objective and measurable.
Having actually maintained and accredited science and engineering orgs that aren't captured by any interest but human interest would be necessary. Those groups would also need to be used to implement larger scale political goals.
Otherwise you just end up with groups that will yes man power and act selfishly. Scientists and engineers are just as susceptible to the pressures of the political superstructure as any other group.
Once you have that ability though, the barriers to this have already been torn down though and it's not necessary to gatekeep, but instead just divide labor fairly to those who have the ability. Which means all sectors of labor are capable of running the part of society that they have qualifications and skills for.