Fucking piece of shit Sam Altman should be executed on a wooden plank and his corpse should be displayed on a public square for the next 100 years.
I was saving up for building a pc but at this point I'd rather just throw my money in a fire than buy RAM or SSD. Even Apple has better Ram pricing than these goons.
OpenAI bought 40% of all the RAM in the world for the next year.
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huf [he/him] - 3w
Lex Luthor stole 40% of all the RAM. that's four tens. and that's terrible.
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segfault11 [she/her, any] - 3w
the price increase will be worth it if we get to see a gamer go joker mode
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barrbaric [he/him] - 3w
Imagining the person who Luigi's Sam Altman just immediately doing a fortnite dance while looking directly at the nearest security camera.
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chgxvjh [he/him, comrade/them] - 3w
They are going to put all the gamer words on those bullets too.
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fox [comrade/them] - 3w
Did they actually or did they say they're going to
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NonWonderDog [he/him] - 3w
I don’t understand the deals and I’m not sure the terms are even public, but they apparently negotiated something like first purchase rights or a guaranteed price on up to 40% of the wafers to be produced. This of course caused every other big RAM customer to panic buy all at once as soon as it was announced.
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HexReplyBot [none/use name] - 3w
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Basically, all RAM is manufactured by three companies. RAM pricing operates on a 4~5 year pricing cycle where high prices encourage a increase in production which in turn lowers prices and discourages production which raises prices and so on.
There hasn't been much investment to increase overall manufacturing capacity of RAM and the factories to do so aren't quick to spin up. RAM was already at low prices earlier this year which indicated a decrease in production. Then OpenAI announced they'd be buying 40% of the global RAM supply, a massive amount. This has led to retailers starting to jack up RAM prices. I panic bought a 2x16GB kit for $200 at the beginning of the week. That same SKU is now $400.
As a warning, this RAM shortage will affect EVERYTHING with RAM in it, GPUs, phones, etc.
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segfault11 [she/her, any] - 3w
Then OpenAI announced they'd be buying 40% of the global RAM supply
did they actually put in orders or is this just sam altman pulling another trick to squeeze a little more air into the bubble?
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jackmaoist [none/use name] - 3w
Just another Sam Altman trick to make shit worse for the commoners.
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invo_rt [he/him] - 3w
The latter as far as I know. Retailers are raising prices on existing stock. I've seen a few SKUs go out of stock only to be reposted with a different, more expensive SKU.
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jackmaoist [none/use name] - 3w
Can't wait for smart technology to become unaffordable to the masses and this shit backfiring on their faces in some years.
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LaGG_3 [he/him, comrade/them] - 3w
I panic bought a 2x16GB kit for $200 at the beginning of the week. That same SKU is now $400.
Damn. Congrats, quick draw
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tocopherol [any] - 3w
Is it terrible to still be on DDR4 these days? A month or so ago I got 32gb(16/16) DDR4 for 60 bucks.
Edit: The ram I got is out of stock on newegg, even the DDR4 is around 100-150 or more for 32gb now
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WellTheresYourCobbler [ey/em, they/them] - 3w
My pc that runs my mc server is still on ddr3 lmao
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adultswim_antifa [he/him] - 3w
We need it for the chat bots. This is the best and most rational system.
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Azarova [they/them] - 3w
riding my 10 year old rig till it disintegrates at this point. maybe the silver lining to the AI bubble popping will be that we finally see part prices fall, but nothing cool ever happens so probably not.
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segfault11 [she/her, any] - 3w
wtf happened 😭 i bought 32GB RAM in april and it was like $45. granted it was SODIMM and probably not high performance gaming RAM or whatever but still...
i looked it up and the kit i got is now $180 😬
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jackmaoist [none/use name] - 3w
Its like 350$ in India for a 32GB Kit.
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Dort_Owl [they/them, any] - 3w
The economy has depression
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Angel [any] - 3w
"Prices of Memory" sounds like it'd be a brutal tech death album name
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came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them] - 3w
Atticus Ross (frequent collaborator of Trent Reznor) has this instrumental, down-tempo-y track with Sea Power vibes titled "Memory to Media" that this made me think of.
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HexReplyBot [none/use name] - 3w
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I used to love speccing out PC builds, even purely hypothetically just to see how good a setup I could put together for X amount of money. But then during the crypto boom and COVID it got way less fun and has mostly stayed that way...
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vanDerVaartBlackenedRanch [none/use name] - 3w
Datacenter demand is the purported reason for the 3x spike
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jackmaoist [none/use name] - 3w
urgently needs to catch up in computing technology. Western are out of their minds.
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sisatici [he/him] - 3w
I think china makes rams?
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BimboChristmas [she/her] - 3w
Damn, I upgraded my SSD and ram for like $200 last year, just looked at the same parts and it would run me like $700 now what the fuck.
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WilsonWilson [comrade/them, any] - 3w
I was thinking about throwing together a linux box and running a smol deep seek model locally but it looks like ima put that on hold for a while. I just checked ebay and used prices for 64GB are out of control as well. Any chance big ai is influencing this? They really seem desperate to get revenue on the books. I am getting hit up for ai services at every turn now. Firefox is asking me if I want my web browsing summarized by ai (NO), google wants me to let them review my email (NO), github trying to force me to use copilot (i use a free model), Insurance tape worms are advertising their use of ai and I'm just waiting for chase bank to push it on me (NO)
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stupid_asshole69 [none/use name] - 3w
Look into used workstations and servers. They’re available for relatively cheap still and will do what you want.
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BodyBySisyphus [he/him] - 3w
A couple months ago I tried running oLlama on a server blade with a ton of RAM and traditional processor cores and performance was still pretty horrible. Is there a better way to do it or do you just need a GPU?
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stupid_asshole69 [none/use name] - 3w
You need a gpu. Anything nvidia is fine, more ram is better, but you can use system ram to swap out what you’re doing.
If you’re doing it yourself, consider how smaller models built to do one specific thing can do the job. For example: a small 8gb video card can do text inference and its results can be sent to something like kokoro on cpu for tts and you suddenly have a talking llm on an eight year old budget gpu.
Any tips on a specific server model(s)? Years ago I got a GIANT ebay 4u server which I intended to use as a security video server and run a custum isa 16channel bnc card but none of the linux drivers worked. I then started to write my own driver based on video4linux but the card was so old I couldn't find white paper on i/o specs and scope and logic analyzer couldn't handle the frequencies for reverse engineering so I just used it for a year as a 200lb paperweight samba server. If I could find something cheap and lightweight with modern hardware that could possibly work. If it already came with the ram that would be a nice bonus.
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stupid_asshole69 [none/use name] - 3w
The uhh 13th gen dell servers are fine. They support 1.5t of ram and have lots of expansion slots.
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unperson [he/him] - 3w
Memory bandwidth is what you need. An EPYC 9xx4 / 9xx5 with all 12 DDR5 DIMMs, or a newish dual socket Xeon with 16 modules.
With fast memory the GPU is unnecessary until you want to do training which needs a lot of FLOPS.
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juniper [none/use name] - 3w
and here I am under my rock singing lullabies to my DDR3
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RipLemmDotEE @lemmy.today - 3w
Wow, I bought almost that exact same ram in March for $115.
That's brutal.
I hope Sam Altman fucks himself with a rusty spoon.
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stupid_asshole69 [none/use name] - 3w
It won’t be better after the crash either because the gpus and sticks the modules are going into are hbm and ecc.
If you think there’s a crash coming that you wanna take advantage of it would be good to learn about workstations and servers.
Seems like it will get worse or at best stay the same for some time.
You're not supposed to consume anymore, you're supposed to AI.
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ZeroHora @lemmy.ml - 3w
Well maybe try vote blue next time!
But seriously that shit is USA problem only? I bought past week 2x16GB DDR5 6000 waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than this.
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jackmaoist [none/use name] - 3w
It's in India as well and it'll spread worldwide as RAM Manufacturers are cutting manufacturing and increasing price.
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segfault11 [she/her, any] - 3w
steam machine is gonna be like $1500 at this rate lol
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jackmaoist [none/use name] - 3w
It's DOA if it's anywhere about like 650$. But with the current costs it might be the affordable alternative at this point.
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Orcocracy [comrade/them] - 3w
Even then, since the Steam Machine will perform in some ways better and some ways worse than the PS5 (according to Digital Foundry at least), US$650 would be quite expensive in comparison to the competition.
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jackmaoist [none/use name] - 3w
Both PS5 and Xbox are far more powerful than the steam machine and games are far more optimised on consoles compared to PC. They'll just be better for gaming.
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Orcocracy [comrade/them] - 3w
Probably, yes. We will see how it turns out performance wise in the end - given the large cooler the Steam Machine might be designed to run all of the parts quite hot. However the lack of VRAM in the Steam Machine will probably end up harming it a lot, just like with the Xbox Series S for a lot of games.
There has been some developer optimization for the Steam Deck, but that has been extremely sporadic and is nothing in comparison to the kind of optimization done for the PlayStation. The Steam Machine would likely be the same.
The various online writers who have breathlessly said that this thing will be as good as a PS5 Pro are delusional.
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ZeroHora @lemmy.ml - 3w
Well fuck
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LeninWalksTheEarth [none/use name] - 3w
you can get a 2x16GB kit for $180 still, OP showed a way pricier one. Or a shitty newegg seller.
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stupid_asshole69 [none/use name] - 3w
Also OpenAI is full of shit and they won’t be buying the amount they claimed.
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jackmaoist [none/use name] - 3w
Doesn't matter. They've made computing far more expensive now which will affect consumers and smaller businesses while Ram manufacturers will be able to jack up price as much as they want since they're selling to data centers now.
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toarmspunies [none/use name] - 3w
Just checked and a 32GB kit I got on sale for ~$85ish a few months ago is now pushing $330
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save_vs_death [they/them] - 3w
scam fraudman
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princeofsin [he/him] - 3w
Yea just do a DNA from amazon for the cheaper parts (below 500). Jeff bezos will give it to you for free.
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infuziSporg [e/em/eir] - 3w
Remember when 16 GB of RAM was high-end for anything a typical user would need?
That really wasn't so long ago.
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jaupsinluggies @feddit.uk - 3w
I was chuffed when I got a 16KB upgrade for my ZX81.
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RisingSwell @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3w
7 years ago 16gb wasn't enough for me and all I do is play games and watch YouTube. 16gb means Minecraft + chrome crashed videos.
Now I have 32gb and don't use chrome and memory no longer causes any issues.
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infuziSporg [e/em/eir] - 3w
I have never owned any device with more than 8 GB of RAM, still playing games and having many dozens of Firefox tabs open simultaneously.
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RisingSwell @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3w
I dedicate that much to vanilla minecraft, we have very different expectations on results I think. If I'm playing modded I dedicate 16 just so I don't ever have to worry about running out.
Firefox almost halved my browser ram usage back in the day though.
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infuziSporg [e/em/eir] - 3w
Me having always played games on a laptop, and then seeing people in the last 15 years with their $2000+ rigs, gives a Winter Palace feeling.
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RisingSwell @lemmy.dbzer0.com - 3w
I have a laptop, it's just unreasonable. Need the ability to just pick it up and walk off. I figure if I spend more time on my laptop than anything else it probably should be one of my most high end things.
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corvidenjoyer [she/her] - 3w
Edit: wrong post
Uhh fuck Sam altman?
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PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them] - 3w
Damn I lucked out. Two years ago when I built my current PC 128GB of DDR5 ended up costing me like $230 (4x32GB). If I bought the same DIMMs today it would be $1160. What. The. Fuck.
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LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him] - 3w
really glad i upgrade my ram last year. holding off for potentially a 6080 card upgrade, but with how disappointing the 5000 series was, my 4070super might just hold until 7000
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LadyCajAsca [she/her, comrade/them] - 3w
may xi save us from american AI companies 🙏🙏
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LeninWalksTheEarth [none/use name] - 3w
holy fuck, using Keepa on amazon, prices fucking shot the fuck up since the start of october.
you can def get a 32GB kit for way cheaper than that though. PCPartPicker shows me one for $180. But still, even that is probably a $100+ increase since october.
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Shinji_Ikari [he/him] - 3w
I yoinked 96gb of ddr5 on sale less than a year ago for 140 bucks. That same kit of RAM is approaching 600. Absolutely wild.
jackmaoist in technology
what the fuck is wrong with prices of memory
Fucking piece of shit Sam Altman should be executed on a wooden plank and his corpse should be displayed on a public square for the next 100 years.
I was saving up for building a pc but at this point I'd rather just throw my money in a fire than buy RAM or SSD. Even Apple has better Ram pricing than these goons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BORRBce5TGw
OpenAI bought 40% of all the RAM in the world for the next year.
Lex Luthor stole 40% of all the RAM. that's four tens. and that's terrible.
the price increase will be worth it if we get to see a gamer go joker mode
Imagining the person who Luigi's Sam Altman just immediately doing a fortnite dance while looking directly at the nearest security camera.
They are going to put all the gamer words on those bullets too.
Did they actually or did they say they're going to
I don’t understand the deals and I’m not sure the terms are even public, but they apparently negotiated something like first purchase rights or a guaranteed price on up to 40% of the wafers to be produced. This of course caused every other big RAM customer to panic buy all at once as soon as it was announced.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Basically, all RAM is manufactured by three companies. RAM pricing operates on a 4~5 year pricing cycle where high prices encourage a increase in production which in turn lowers prices and discourages production which raises prices and so on.
There hasn't been much investment to increase overall manufacturing capacity of RAM and the factories to do so aren't quick to spin up. RAM was already at low prices earlier this year which indicated a decrease in production. Then OpenAI announced they'd be buying 40% of the global RAM supply, a massive amount. This has led to retailers starting to jack up RAM prices. I panic bought a 2x16GB kit for $200 at the beginning of the week. That same SKU is now $400.
As a warning, this RAM shortage will affect EVERYTHING with RAM in it, GPUs, phones, etc.
did they actually put in orders or is this just sam altman pulling another trick to squeeze a little more air into the bubble?
Just another Sam Altman trick to make shit worse for the commoners.
The latter as far as I know. Retailers are raising prices on existing stock. I've seen a few SKUs go out of stock only to be reposted with a different, more expensive SKU.
Can't wait for smart technology to become unaffordable to the masses and this shit backfiring on their faces in some years.
Damn. Congrats, quick draw
Is it terrible to still be on DDR4 these days? A month or so ago I got 32gb(16/16) DDR4 for 60 bucks.
Edit: The ram I got is out of stock on newegg, even the DDR4 is around 100-150 or more for 32gb now
My pc that runs my mc server is still on ddr3 lmao
We need it for the chat bots. This is the best and most rational system.
riding my 10 year old rig till it disintegrates at this point. maybe the silver lining to the AI bubble popping will be that we finally see part prices fall, but nothing cool ever happens so probably not.
wtf happened 😭 i bought 32GB RAM in april and it was like $45. granted it was SODIMM and probably not high performance gaming RAM or whatever but still...
i looked it up and the kit i got is now $180 😬
Its like 350$ in India for a 32GB Kit.
The economy has depression
"Prices of Memory" sounds like it'd be a brutal tech death album name
Atticus Ross (frequent collaborator of Trent Reznor) has this instrumental, down-tempo-y track with Sea Power vibes titled "Memory to Media" that this made me think of.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I used to love speccing out PC builds, even purely hypothetically just to see how good a setup I could put together for X amount of money. But then during the crypto boom and COVID it got way less fun and has mostly stayed that way...
Datacenter demand is the purported reason for the 3x spike
I think china makes rams?
Damn, I upgraded my SSD and ram for like $200 last year, just looked at the same parts and it would run me like $700 now what the fuck.
I was thinking about throwing together a linux box and running a smol deep seek model locally but it looks like ima put that on hold for a while. I just checked ebay and used prices for 64GB are out of control as well. Any chance big ai is influencing this? They really seem desperate to get revenue on the books. I am getting hit up for ai services at every turn now. Firefox is asking me if I want my web browsing summarized by ai (NO), google wants me to let them review my email (NO), github trying to force me to use copilot (i use a free model), Insurance tape worms are advertising their use of ai and I'm just waiting for chase bank to push it on me (NO)
Look into used workstations and servers. They’re available for relatively cheap still and will do what you want.
A couple months ago I tried running oLlama on a server blade with a ton of RAM and traditional processor cores and performance was still pretty horrible. Is there a better way to do it or do you just need a GPU?
You need a gpu. Anything nvidia is fine, more ram is better, but you can use system ram to swap out what you’re doing.
If you’re doing it yourself, consider how smaller models built to do one specific thing can do the job. For example: a small 8gb video card can do text inference and its results can be sent to something like kokoro on cpu for tts and you suddenly have a talking llm on an eight year old budget gpu.
Try running MoE models, like qwen3 30b a3b
Any tips on a specific server model(s)? Years ago I got a GIANT ebay 4u server which I intended to use as a security video server and run a custum isa 16channel bnc card but none of the linux drivers worked. I then started to write my own driver based on video4linux but the card was so old I couldn't find white paper on i/o specs and scope and logic analyzer couldn't handle the frequencies for reverse engineering so I just used it for a year as a 200lb
paperweightsamba server. If I could find something cheap and lightweight with modern hardware that could possibly work. If it already came with the ram that would be a nice bonus.The uhh 13th gen dell servers are fine. They support 1.5t of ram and have lots of expansion slots.
Memory bandwidth is what you need. An EPYC 9xx4 / 9xx5 with all 12 DDR5 DIMMs, or a newish dual socket Xeon with 16 modules.
With fast memory the GPU is unnecessary until you want to do training which needs a lot of FLOPS.
and here I am under my rock singing lullabies to my DDR3
Wow, I bought almost that exact same ram in March for $115.
That's brutal.
I hope Sam Altman fucks himself with a rusty spoon.
It won’t be better after the crash either because the gpus and sticks the modules are going into are hbm and ecc.
If you think there’s a crash coming that you wanna take advantage of it would be good to learn about workstations and servers.
no nand for you
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=9hLiwNViMak&t=1449
Seems like it will get worse or at best stay the same for some time.
You're not supposed to consume anymore, you're supposed to AI.
Well maybe try vote blue next time!
But seriously that shit is USA problem only? I bought past week 2x16GB DDR5 6000 waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than this.
It's in India as well and it'll spread worldwide as RAM Manufacturers are cutting manufacturing and increasing price.
steam machine is gonna be like $1500 at this rate lol
It's DOA if it's anywhere about like 650$. But with the current costs it might be the affordable alternative at this point.
Even then, since the Steam Machine will perform in some ways better and some ways worse than the PS5 (according to Digital Foundry at least), US$650 would be quite expensive in comparison to the competition.
Both PS5 and Xbox are far more powerful than the steam machine and games are far more optimised on consoles compared to PC. They'll just be better for gaming.
Probably, yes. We will see how it turns out performance wise in the end - given the large cooler the Steam Machine might be designed to run all of the parts quite hot. However the lack of VRAM in the Steam Machine will probably end up harming it a lot, just like with the Xbox Series S for a lot of games.
There has been some developer optimization for the Steam Deck, but that has been extremely sporadic and is nothing in comparison to the kind of optimization done for the PlayStation. The Steam Machine would likely be the same.
The various online writers who have breathlessly said that this thing will be as good as a PS5 Pro are delusional.
Well fuck
you can get a 2x16GB kit for $180 still, OP showed a way pricier one. Or a shitty newegg seller.
Also OpenAI is full of shit and they won’t be buying the amount they claimed.
Doesn't matter. They've made computing far more expensive now which will affect consumers and smaller businesses while Ram manufacturers will be able to jack up price as much as they want since they're selling to data centers now.
Just checked and a 32GB kit I got on sale for ~$85ish a few months ago is now pushing $330
scam fraudman
Yea just do a DNA from amazon for the cheaper parts (below 500). Jeff bezos will give it to you for free.
Remember when 16 GB of RAM was high-end for anything a typical user would need?
That really wasn't so long ago.
I was chuffed when I got a 16KB upgrade for my ZX81.
7 years ago 16gb wasn't enough for me and all I do is play games and watch YouTube. 16gb means Minecraft + chrome crashed videos.
Now I have 32gb and don't use chrome and memory no longer causes any issues.
I have never owned any device with more than 8 GB of RAM, still playing games and having many dozens of Firefox tabs open simultaneously.
I dedicate that much to vanilla minecraft, we have very different expectations on results I think. If I'm playing modded I dedicate 16 just so I don't ever have to worry about running out.
Firefox almost halved my browser ram usage back in the day though.
Me having always played games on a laptop, and then seeing people in the last 15 years with their $2000+ rigs, gives a Winter Palace feeling.
I have a laptop, it's just unreasonable. Need the ability to just pick it up and walk off. I figure if I spend more time on my laptop than anything else it probably should be one of my most high end things.
Edit: wrong post
Uhh fuck Sam altman?
Damn I lucked out. Two years ago when I built my current PC 128GB of DDR5 ended up costing me like $230 (4x32GB). If I bought the same DIMMs today it would be $1160. What. The. Fuck.
really glad i upgrade my ram last year. holding off for potentially a 6080 card upgrade, but with how disappointing the 5000 series was, my 4070super might just hold until 7000
may xi save us from american AI companies 🙏🙏
holy fuck, using Keepa on amazon, prices fucking shot the fuck up since the start of october.
you can def get a 32GB kit for way cheaper than that though. PCPartPicker shows me one for $180. But still, even that is probably a $100+ increase since october.
I yoinked 96gb of ddr5 on sale less than a year ago for 140 bucks. That same kit of RAM is approaching 600. Absolutely wild.