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Hexbear Gender Survey #2 - Science Edition. Remember to respond even if you are cis!

Please answer all questions in the form below. If you cannot load the site, it's because you do not have javascript enabled or something, try a stock browser. The goal is for this to be pinned until the end of the weekend. All responses are anonymized, IP is not logged, and all responses will be made public after the questionnaire is closed. Cis people aren't shown further questions beyond the first 2.

results: https://hexbear.net/post/3635039

kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

Survey closed, will get back with you all with the data soon enough

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mathemachristian [he/him] - 1.8yr

"Cis, he/him"

"thanks I think we are done here"

o-ok

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

put on the thigh highs if you want more questions shrug-outta-hecks

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TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them] - 1.8yr

I really should get some thigh highs now that winter is approaching

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mathemachristian [he/him] - 1.8yr

I actually had some because I like the idea of warm legs and not having so much cloth bunched up around my ankle but they do make my legs look rather feminine

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TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them] - 1.8yr

Sounds like a win either way.

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ashinadash [she/her] - 1.8yr

che-smile

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GoodGuyWithACat [he/him] - 1.8yr

Lmao I had no idea there were more questions.

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MusicOwl [comrade/them, sie/hir] - 1.8yr

Hath thou considered adding pronouns to engage with additional questions? sicko-power

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sewer_rat_420 - 1.8yr

Wow, you think I will voluntarily put myself on the cis list to be marked for execution when Commiela steals the election?

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AcidSmiley [she/her] - 1.8yr

Self-reporting cisness to the nearest political comissar is mandatory, failure to comply may be weighed against you.

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EstraDoll [she/her, he/him] - 1.8yr

yes, then you'll be revived back up by juche necromancy, then executed again

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

And then you'll be revived again and realize how wise it is to be trans 🙌

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JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them] - 1.8yr

manhattan It is Friday October 4th 2024 and Hexbear is purging me again.

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roux [they/them, xe/xem] - 1.8yr

Fuck it. Whatever helps me leave this pitiful existence faster. I'm super mega extra cis if that bumps me up in the list.

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SoyViking [he/him] - 1.8yr

They'll put us all on high-speed trains straight to the forced feminisation camps!

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john_browns_beard [he/him, comrade/them] - 1.8yr

I have prepared myself to be ex(cis)ed for the good of my trans comrades

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Real_User [any] - 1.8yr

I didn't study but I think I aced it

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Lerios [hy/hym] - 1.8yr

god, things like this always confuse me. like yes i'm a cis woman, but i use he/him/she/her or hy/hym pronouns when i can (read: online or dnd), crossdress 24/7, have visable facial hair, and honestly i'd go on testosterone if it were free. i was looking at binders recently (because i had them recommended as a heavy duty sports bra and also the silhouettes are just nicer) and the only reason i didn't get one was that my measurements are weird. a lot of my mates keep saying that i should just become a man already and are "waiting for the gender drop" and new people assume i'm already transmasc or nb.

like despite the fact that i'm cis, i am apparently trans by a LOT of people's definitions. idk how i feel about that. it feels like people are trying to limit what woman are and are not allowed to be. there is NOTHING wrong with women who look like me or go into my field or reject the beauty industry or crossdress or date women or anything else. there isn't even anything """un-womanly""" about us, we just don't dignifiy the sexist society in which we live with a response.

but then again, the people who assume i'm trans or nb don't think for a second that they're reinforcing misogynistic ideas about womanhood, they're just trying to be nice

so yeah. idk. i am not by defintion trans in the slightest, but in practice it always seems like i am. sorry if i invalidated the results by classing myself as cis instead of "?????????" lol. i guess theres a reason people treat butches as trans-adjacent

(BUT hexbear is one of the only place i've ever got the idea i can say any thing remotely like this and not get instantly clowned on, so shout out to our trans comrades for making a space thats also cool with miscellaneous freaks lol)

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Frank [he/him, he/him] - 1.8yr

There was a cis woman with a very full, luxurious beard who had a social media presence a while back and among other things she'd talk about what it was like being a woman with a beard and how that challenged and completely upended some people's notions of gender and sex.

And this also makes me think of an interview I saw with an Afghani cis man who didn't grow a beard and would wear a prosthetic beard to keep the Taliban fashion police off his back.

Folks do be policing gender, even when they're informed and trying to be supportive and well meaning.

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glans [it/its] - 1.8yr

I think there are people in very similar circumstance who label themselves broadly as trans masc but also lots who don't.

Second Stone Butch Blues if you didn't already read that. Also coming to mind would be Ivan Coyote who is a great performer so youtube is recommended. I recall Hannah Gatsby mentioning a very similar experience in their ?second netflix special.

In terms of non-famous people, I feel that we all know people like this in our lives. There are lots of cis women who are non-conformists to femininity in many ways. It's been deeply explored in sub-cultural spaces like by butch lesbians and radical feminsits, but also there are many heterosexual types who area doing their things without a lot of pomp.

Caution is warranted because it is also a way of leading into really vile anti-trans stuff of people way over-extrapolating from their own experience. Don't get recruited into that. It's a great position from which to be a trans ally.

It's why the term "gender diverse" is used instead of trans, because it casts a much wider net. It acknowledges that people are existing in infinite varieties without being prescriptive.

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Frank [he/him, he/him] - 1.8yr

I'll check out your reccomendations, thank you. I swear I have a copy of Stone Butch Blues on a hard drive somewhere.

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glans [it/its] - 1.8yr

I know people have different styles of reading, but I think it's a better read in paperback if you can scrounge up a library copy or something.

ia of course has it https://archive.org/details/stonebutchbluesn0000fein in their login-required zone

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

you could go back and change it to a maybe if you want to answer the rest of the questions. i do think its interesting you like hy/hym pronouns online only though, why is that? there are groups that can help you get on T, i could refer you to some. totally recommend reading Stone Butch Blues by Leslie Feinberg, its a story that touches on similar vibes, though giant cw though theres a lot of trauma in it

regardless, thats valid meow-hug

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TerminalEncounter [she/her] - 1.8yr

Did you read Stone Butch Blues or anything epse by Leslie Feinberg? You might get a kick out if it. Leslie Feinberg and them all had a much less stringent definition of transness than the one we seem to have developed all this time later, you just had to break out of or push the boundaries of the culturally defined hegemonic strict binary in some way - Feinberg counted butch lesbians as being under the umbrella of transgender or cis women who passed as men for safety/work, for example. If you don't vibe with the label you don't have to take it, it's definitely changed meanings from that much wider umbrella.

Edit: lol everyone else suggested Stone Butch Blues already, sorry

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WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them] - 1.8yr

Kinda curious why you feel the attachment to the woman label. Imo, gender only exists to be restrictive, so I don't want anything to do with it. But I'm amab - there's no reason for camaraderie there.

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Mantikora [none/use any] - 1.8yr

it feels like people are trying to limit what woman are and are not allowed to be.

I'm also cis woman, half feminine, half tomboyish and the worst part, I act like a kid. People gave up telling me what is "real" woman or how she behaves or what she needs to do in order to be a true woman, but I get a lot of "grow up". I don't want to grow up and as I get older, I know I'm fitting my body less and less. Only when I feel feminine I'm comfortable with my age and the way I look. But a child in me wants to jump, show when she's happy, sad, dance, giggle... Imagine a forty year old woman talking to flowers on the road. That's me. You have no idea how people are restricting me. Calling me crazy, stupid. Even online. When I say I'm 40 I get a lot "you talk like an edgy teen" and I know it's an insult. I try not to get insulted. And with men, it's so strange. They all like every aspect of my character, but me being childish is inconvenient to them. Or when I refuse to be stereotypical woman, especially if they aren't capable of playing their own masculine role. And as much as I feel awesome in sexy outfit, I hate doing it for men's satisfaction because it's their vision of feminine.

It's all just odd.

Most of the time I'm attacked and questioned by traditional people. I don't know why are they so uncomfortable with nonconformism and when things don't fit their learned patterns. It's not like they're all alone on this planet and that they're the rule, although they are a norm.

I saw few women like you and honestly I don't know what the fuck is wrong with looking like you. Do we all have to look like virgins from males' imagination (fuck you, Petrarca and all those stupid poets and philosophers and prophets who made their definition of us by making us their objects of lust and desire 🫵)? And when people comment... Like why do you care?

Sorry, I'm stoned, I'm just typing my incoherent thoughts.

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TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them] - 1.8yr

I see your point 100%, and tbh reading Judith Butler's work on gender and performance really helped me understand better what it means to be gender non-conforming in today's world, ideas-wise at least.

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aaro [they/them, she/her] - 1.8yr

me checking both "Binary" and "Non-Binary" because I'm an enby but I'm also literally just a girl

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

valid

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Luna - 1.8yr

I actually did exactly the same thing! I'm still figuring myself out tbh

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Josephine_Spiro [she/her, pup/pup's] - 1.8yr

Literally me

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SpookyGenderCommunist [they/them, she/her] - 1.8yr

Holy shit same though

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EstraDoll [she/her, he/him] - 1.8yr

after you realized you were trans/gender diverse, how long did it take for you to begin to act on it?

the earliest answer is less than a year? I was doing shit about it after like a week

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pooh [she/her, love/loves] - 1.8yr

Same for me too. It had been slowly building up for awhile, but once I fully realized, I had to do something quick. I’m relatively old so I can’t afford to wait any longer. I ordered DIY right away and started injecting that magical girl juice weekly.

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EstraDoll [she/her, he/him] - 1.8yr

yeah within a month i was at the front desk of my local planned parenthood sweating bullets on a 40 degree F day lmao

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refracting [she/her] - 1.8yr

I think the latter part of this survey is just bad.

  • Asking "at what age did you begin transition?" before any other timeline questions puts the importance and emphasis on actions taken instead of starting with self acceptance. This feels like framing I'd see from people that are less knowledgeable of the trans experience as a whole, which I know isn't the case of the people who put this together.
  • The bigger issue is the follow up question, "after you realized you were trans/gender diverse, how long did it take for you to begin to act on it?" The entire self acceptance moment of realizing you were trans is an after thought to "how long did it take to do something about it?" At no point are we asked about the first big moment in someone's transition, only relative to what many people wrongly assume is the start of a transition.

The combination of these questions in this order and nothing about the beginning of the journey is really unfortunate. I filled out the survey up until that point, but didn't feel like continuing after that. I know there's only so much that can be asked, but I don't think the way this was formatted was an issue with not having enough room for questions or overloading a survey.

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

Asking "at what age did you begin transition?" before any other timeline questions puts the importance and emphasis on actions taken instead of starting with self acceptance. This feels like framing I'd see from people that are less knowledgeable of the trans experience as a whole, which I know isn't the case of the people who put this together.

imo beginning transition is a process, yeah. and it can be different per person. some people have a harder start and some people have a fuzzier start (and is why i put an age range). thing is someone wanted to see what people said to this question so i tried to phrase it as well as possible, i felt like the survey was kinda long already and alternatives to this question means writing like 3 or so extra questions i think

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EstraDoll [she/her, he/him] - 1.8yr

i felt like the survey was kinda long already and alternatives to this question means writing like 3 or so extra questions i think

It's not nearly long enough. It should be 50 questions minimum

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

gender is a test and if you get it wrong you will not gain entry into college very-smart

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EstraDoll [she/her, he/him] - 1.8yr

boohoo BUT I WAS TOLD THAT'S WHERE GIRLS GO TO GET MORE KNOWLEDGE!!!

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Cowbee [he/him, they/them] - 1.8yr

oooaaaaaaauhhh

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WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them] - 1.8yr

Some of the mismash of questions might be more a result of requests by other users and the order may simply be in order they were requested or something like that. I wouldn't put to much analysis into that kind of thing.

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CliffordBigRedDog [he/him] - 1.8yr

Remember to respond even if your cis

Im gonna be mad if this isnt a ploy to identify and ban all cis users

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Acute_Engles [he/him, any] - 1.8yr

Easiest test I've ever taken

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

preview of how its going so far

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FunkyStuff [he/him] - 1.8yr

146 of us are getting sent to the camps niko-concern

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Acute_Engles [he/him, any] - 1.8yr

Can we each bring a commander deck?

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EstraDoll [she/her, he/him] - 1.8yr

fuck no. We're playing the only real format: Pauper

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manuallybreathing @lemmy.ml - 1.8yr

They could simply transition and join us in the gender mines!

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aaro [they/them, she/her] - 1.8yr

we gotta get to crackin' if we wanna flip that plurality egg-dog marx-war

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sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them] - 1.8yr

i-voted

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JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them] - 1.8yr

Okay, that's a hundred votes for Hillary Clinton from me. im-doing-my-part

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SteamedHamberder [he/him] - 1.8yr

I-was-saying I’m cis

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Angel [any] - 1.8yr

Some "Yes/No" questions seem kinda gray to me, but I still answered them to the best of my ability.

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

Could you explain which questions specifically?

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Angel [any] - 1.8yr

"Do you think Hexbear has an inclusive atmosphere towards transgender/gender diverse people?"

This one especially stood out to me, but I could see other Hexbears having their own issues with other questions. It's definitely mostly on the side of "Yes" for me, but y'know, I guess in a site with a lot of cis people, I shouldn't expect myself to not have at least a slight degree of hesitation with just a flat-out "Yes." I myself have a lot of skepticism with cis people, especially white cis people, so I think it's my paranoia really. My internalized transphobia makes it hard to believe in "true" trans inclusivity in a way.

It's kind of me being nitpicky, overall.

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robot_dog_with_gun [they/them] - 1.8yr

it seems welcoming to me, especially compared to the rest of the internet, but the bigots don't know or care about agender people so idk what exclusion would look like other than some bizarre terfy denialism that wouldn't fly here.

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0x2640 - 1.8yr

us selecting binary non-binary agender and other because we are plural (it can be very confusing)

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iridaniotter [she/her] - 1.8yr

Putting in "women" for gender power-genius

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glans [it/its] - 1.8yr

2 questions:

Would you recommend Hexbear to any of your transgender/gender diverse friends that do not visit Hexbear?

Is it a general question about hexbear or specifically in regards to the trans/gender diverse atmosphere? There are all kinds of reasons someone might not fit here e.g. being a lib/conservative, not being interested in fediverse, not being online etc.

After you realized you were trans, how long did it take for you to act on it?

Shouldn't there be an option for "not trans"? "Have not yet acted" isn't exactly the same thing. Unless you are trying to make a political point ala "not yet disabled"....?

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

Is it a general question about hexbear or specifically in regards to the trans/gender diverse atmosphere? There are all kinds of reasons someone might not fit here e.g. being a lib/conservative, not being interested in fediverse, not being online etc.

if you say no there are further questions to specify

Shouldn't there be an option for "not trans"? "Have not yet acted" isn't exactly the same thing. Unless you are trying to make a political point ala "not yet disabled"....?

good point, this was a question added by someone else and I had to interpret it. i'll add 'trans or gender diverse' to the question. cis people cannot see this question.

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glans [it/its] - 1.8yr

Ah I see now how it works. Thanks

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Cammy [she/her] - 1.8yr

im-doing-my-part

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0x2640 - 1.8yr

very gender

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Luna - 1.8yr

Done! Can't wait to see how many cissies get gulag'd the results!

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manuallybreathing @lemmy.ml - 1.8yr

Aside from this being easier to stack being anon instead of account linked this is fun. I suppose if you get a bunch of wreckers youll see when they responded and just just prune the data

I dont think this'll be as neatly representative as doing it by hand, but also maybe itll account for lurkers (hey, we see you, join us, it is inevitable)

I cant wait to make another 'are you a tankie?' On lemmy.ml

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Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida [he/him] - 1.8yr

Ok. I did it. I enjoy these surveys. I'm weird like that.

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combat_brandonism [they/them] - 1.8yr

A suggestion to post this in main or chapo and not traaaa? I'm sure we're majority non-cis but I'm curious how much the comm choice skews the results. Or maybe a slimmer one for just demographic data and not feedback? idk

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

yeah i considered it but since this is tagged on the main site i dont think it skews it. i think the only way it could be possibly skewed is trans people on the fediverse not seeing the post on traa (because they are subbed to traa and see it there). it seemed like some of the posts in /c/den were bugging out, i was planning to post it there where its non-fediverse. maybe next time!

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LaBellaLotta [any] - 1.8yr

Are null/void really pronouns people use or is that something goofed up on the backend?

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

Its a choice someone requested

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Caruna - 1.8yr

Done!

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anchoress [she/her] - 1.8yr

I ended up chosing "other" for question #3 because of the whole politics around "binary trans woman" being a bit of a transmisogynistic dog whistle. it would have been weird to put myself down as binary but also put myself down as nonbinary since it is also kind of like that internally for me? especially when you're a girl and also a doll. such are the complexities.

I think it would have been more useful to break it down as man/woman/third gender for that question instead of an 'binary/nonbinary/third gender/etc'

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kristina [she/her] - 1.8yr

Yeah I was trying to include genders by category (many genders can be described as a subsect of nonbinary or agender etc) in order to be as inclusive as possible

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