The sex/gender distinction of the 20th century and now deeply popular among LGBT+ circles in the 21st century was one step forwards, two steps backwards. Although it provides a simple "explanation" of trans people, it ultimately cements sex and thus patriarchy as the natural state of things. Human sex has always been a social concept with biological justifications applied retroactively and selectively. The proletarianization of women and advances in medical science lay bare the absurdity of sex and for the first time in human history create the conditions for the world-historical abolition of sex and male supremacy. As the proletarian revolution self-abolishes the proletariat, so too does the transsexual-feminist social revolution self-abolish the woman and transsexual. Down with cisgenderism!
Angel [any] - 2.2yr
Thank you for this post times a billion!
Funnily enough, around four nights ago, I was ranting about this to my friend who is a trans woman, and we both agree that this "Man/woman' are for describing gender, but 'male/female' are for describing sex, so trans women are women, but they're not female!" is performative shit that harshly showcases the energy of liberals trying to advocate for trans people but failing miserably in the process.
"Biologically male" and "biologically female" are also just transphobic euphemisms. There is no 'set' definition, even among biologists and geneticists, of what constitutes a "biological male/female." Multiple factors are considered to be aspects of sex, and that includes things that trans people can, and often do in fact, change, such as hormones, genitals, and secondary sex characteristics.
It's the strangest semantic hill for these people to die on, and I saw a trans man doing it that same four nights ago in an Instagram comment section, arguing so hard that he’s “biologically female but still a man,” even when people tried to validate the position that I’m validating now as a response to him insisting that he is a “biological female.” That’s what prompted me to talk to my trans friend about this.
There is no reason why we have to adhere to the weird gender/sex distinction other than giving a half-assed attempt at appeasing transphobes (half-assed because “Gender and sex are different!” isn’t even a satisfactory argument for them).
“Cis” and “trans,” at least for the time being, are good enough distinctions. We don't need convoluted shit like "Trans women are not female, but they're women!" or "Trans women are socially women but not biologically female!" If people can't be satisfied by "Trans women are women who happen to be trans, and they are also female." and "Cis women are women who happen to be cis, and they are also female." as the prime distinction, then that's their damn problem and not mine or any trans person's for that matter.
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SexUnderSocialism [she/her] - 2.2yr
How does one change sex when they have no sex?
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iridaniotter [she/her] - 2.2yr
Officer, I am for the abolition of sex and the abolition of sex. ^thisisabit^
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VOLCEL_POLICE [it/its] - 2.2yr
The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.
نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.
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kristina [she/her] - 2.2yr
I'm gay
I also don't feel like I have a male sex even though I did have it at one point. Sex isn't an immutable characteristic, most people with xy chromosomes in fact tend to lose the y with age, and my breast tissue produces a significant amount of estrogen, and I have been on it long enough to permanently depress my testosterone levels. If I somehow had to stop my meds it'd be bad for my bones but the t doesn't fully come back, and I have proof of it once after not having e for six months. I'm somewhere in between at this point in regards to sex, even without surgery imo
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Angel [any] - 2.2yr
::: spoiler I'm also gay
I had a male sex with your dad last night
:::
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kristina [she/her] - 2.2yr
Based I'm so glad he's opened up more possibilities, though he's probably too old for you
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Angel [any] - 2.2yr
A good DILF satisfies my cravings every once in a while
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ashinadash [she/her] - 2.2yr
Gender is fuckin fake shit
I changed my sex this past year
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alexandra_kollontai [she/her] - 2.2yr
Thank you for this. The unicorn always made me feel kinda uncomfortable. I think it was a necessary step for my transradicalisation, but now I've surpassed the need for it.
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queermunist she/her - 2.2yr
Will pregnancy be abolished in the future with advancing technology or will it just become something anyone is able to do?
These are the real questions folks!
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iridaniotter [she/her] - 2.2yr
Babies will be produced both in vivo in either endogenous or transplanted wombs, and ex vivo.
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queermunist she/her - 2.2yr
I'm now imagining a culture war between modernist ex vivo child birth and transplanted tradwombs.
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WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them] - 2.2yr
There's been work into functional womb transplants, but the focus has been cis women. But its not really that farfetched that it could be accomplished in the near future for trans women, but I don't know if there's anyone skilled/knowledgeable enough to try it and able to get ethical boards to approve it.
Personally, I do hope it is largely abolished. No clue how progress towards that is. Been a while since I've seen anyone who spends a lot of time advocating for it.
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kristina [she/her] - 2.2yr
A friend of mine actually emailed the guy leading research on womb transplants and he said that nothing technically prevents trans women, but the surgery is currently a very dangerous one and they only allow applicants that have a higher chance of success (prior pregnancies, fairly healthy, can produce their own eggs, among other criteria). He said once the technology matures over the next decade or so and the kids currently born reach the end of early childhood development they would be more interested in expanding the criteria
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Pisha [she/her, they/them] - 2.2yr
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panned_cakes [none/use name] - 2.2yr
think at this point the ironic bellcurve meme needs more Choppd n Screwed treatment
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iridaniotter [she/her] - 2.2yr
I can make a variant with the political horseshoe
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panned_cakes [none/use name] - 2.2yr
could always combine them into a horrifying entity that mocks creation itself
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iridaniotter [she/her] - 2.2yr
Yeah I have a couple ideas... I'll cook it up later and post a template for future use
I haven't really heard about this before, kind of a foreign idea to me (hell, the idea of being trans is still a big shock to me). Idk, I am what I am. Wish I had a uterus and all the typically accompanying bits. How should we refer to male, female, and intersex anatomy? Like, I'm a girl with a ding dong so what what would I be referred to as?
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iridaniotter [she/her] - 2.2yr
Well, the point is there is no set male, female, and intersex anatomy. There are a collection of physical characteristics that modern patriarchal society associates with say, the female body, but a very significant portion of cisgender women would fail to completely check off every one of them. Trans women can acquire many of these traits, and the number they can acquire grows as technology advances. The traits that make up "biological sex" are not scientifically objective, either. For instance, facial hair is considered a male secondary sex characteristic, yet PCOS causes it in what "science" would call "females." It also causes higher testosterone levels, so you would expect it to be considered an intersex condition. But then one-tenth of the population would be intersex, and that would have all sorts of Implications. The point is, "biological" sex is highly socially constructed. Anyway, as long as sex exists, it's still useful to use terms like transgender & cisgender, man & woman.
Like, I'm a girl with a ding dong so what what would I be referred to as?
As far as we're concerned right now under our current capitalist patriarchy, you're a trans woman. I imagine in the future we will stop sexing babies and medical professionals will simply consult your chart for relevant biological data and medical history. As for how people will self-identify this expression of their humanity in the future, who knows.
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KittyBobo [he/him, comrade/them] - 2.2yr
Is that unicorn from something, I swear I've seen it before.
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iridaniotter [she/her] - 2.2yr
Gender unicorn. The sequel to the genderbread person. The genderbread person was completely binary, while the gender unicorn adds a third variable in all the categories. Associating nonbinary inclusion with unicorns was an interesting choice...
iridaniotter in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns
Unlimited sex changes on the cissexual world!!
The sex/gender distinction of the 20th century and now deeply popular among LGBT+ circles in the 21st century was one step forwards, two steps backwards. Although it provides a simple "explanation" of trans people, it ultimately cements sex and thus patriarchy as the natural state of things. Human sex has always been a social concept with biological justifications applied retroactively and selectively. The proletarianization of women and advances in medical science lay bare the absurdity of sex and for the first time in human history create the conditions for the world-historical abolition of sex and male supremacy. As the proletarian revolution self-abolishes the proletariat, so too does the transsexual-feminist social revolution self-abolish the woman and transsexual. Down with cisgenderism!
Thank you for this post times a billion!
Funnily enough, around four nights ago, I was ranting about this to my friend who is a trans woman, and we both agree that this "Man/woman' are for describing gender, but 'male/female' are for describing sex, so trans women are women, but they're not female!" is performative shit that harshly showcases the energy of liberals trying to advocate for trans people but failing miserably in the process.
"Biologically male" and "biologically female" are also just transphobic euphemisms. There is no 'set' definition, even among biologists and geneticists, of what constitutes a "biological male/female." Multiple factors are considered to be aspects of sex, and that includes things that trans people can, and often do in fact, change, such as hormones, genitals, and secondary sex characteristics.
It's the strangest semantic hill for these people to die on, and I saw a trans man doing it that same four nights ago in an Instagram comment section, arguing so hard that he’s “biologically female but still a man,” even when people tried to validate the position that I’m validating now as a response to him insisting that he is a “biological female.” That’s what prompted me to talk to my trans friend about this.
There is no reason why we have to adhere to the weird gender/sex distinction other than giving a half-assed attempt at appeasing transphobes (half-assed because “Gender and sex are different!” isn’t even a satisfactory argument for them).
“Cis” and “trans,” at least for the time being, are good enough distinctions. We don't need convoluted shit like "Trans women are not female, but they're women!" or "Trans women are socially women but not biologically female!" If people can't be satisfied by "Trans women are women who happen to be trans, and they are also female." and "Cis women are women who happen to be cis, and they are also female." as the prime distinction, then that's their damn problem and not mine or any trans person's for that matter.
How does one change sex when they have no sex?
Officer, I am for the abolition of sex and the abolition of sex.
^thisisabit^
نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.
I'm gay
I also don't feel like I have a male sex even though I did have it at one point. Sex isn't an immutable characteristic, most people with xy chromosomes in fact tend to lose the y with age, and my breast tissue produces a significant amount of estrogen, and I have been on it long enough to permanently depress my testosterone levels. If I somehow had to stop my meds it'd be bad for my bones but the t doesn't fully come back, and I have proof of it once after not having e for six months. I'm somewhere in between at this point in regards to sex, even without surgery imo
::: spoiler I'm also gay I had a male sex with your dad last night :::
Based I'm so glad he's opened up more possibilities, though he's probably too old for you
A good DILF satisfies my cravings every once in a while
I changed my sex this past year
Thank you for this. The unicorn always made me feel kinda uncomfortable. I think it was a necessary step for my transradicalisation, but now I've surpassed the need for it.
Will pregnancy be abolished in the future with advancing technology or will it just become something anyone is able to do?
These are the real questions folks!
Babies will be produced both in vivo in either endogenous or transplanted wombs, and ex vivo.
I'm now imagining a culture war between modernist ex vivo child birth and transplanted tradwombs.
There's been work into functional womb transplants, but the focus has been cis women. But its not really that farfetched that it could be accomplished in the near future for trans women, but I don't know if there's anyone skilled/knowledgeable enough to try it and able to get ethical boards to approve it.
Personally, I do hope it is largely abolished. No clue how progress towards that is. Been a while since I've seen anyone who spends a lot of time advocating for it.
A friend of mine actually emailed the guy leading research on womb transplants and he said that nothing technically prevents trans women, but the surgery is currently a very dangerous one and they only allow applicants that have a higher chance of success (prior pregnancies, fairly healthy, can produce their own eggs, among other criteria). He said once the technology matures over the next decade or so and the kids currently born reach the end of early childhood development they would be more interested in expanding the criteria
think at this point the ironic bellcurve meme needs more Choppd n Screwed treatment
I can make a variant with the political horseshoe
could always combine them into a horrifying entity that mocks creation itself
Yeah I have a couple ideas... I'll cook it up later and post a template for future use
I haven't really heard about this before, kind of a foreign idea to me (hell, the idea of being trans is still a big shock to me). Idk, I am what I am. Wish I had a uterus and all the typically accompanying bits. How should we refer to male, female, and intersex anatomy? Like, I'm a girl with a ding dong so what what would I be referred to as?
Well, the point is there is no set male, female, and intersex anatomy. There are a collection of physical characteristics that modern patriarchal society associates with say, the female body, but a very significant portion of cisgender women would fail to completely check off every one of them. Trans women can acquire many of these traits, and the number they can acquire grows as technology advances. The traits that make up "biological sex" are not scientifically objective, either. For instance, facial hair is considered a male secondary sex characteristic, yet PCOS causes it in what "science" would call "females." It also causes higher testosterone levels, so you would expect it to be considered an intersex condition. But then one-tenth of the population would be intersex, and that would have all sorts of Implications. The point is, "biological" sex is highly socially constructed. Anyway, as long as sex exists, it's still useful to use terms like transgender & cisgender, man & woman.
As far as we're concerned right now under our current capitalist patriarchy, you're a trans woman. I imagine in the future we will stop sexing babies and medical professionals will simply consult your chart for relevant biological data and medical history. As for how people will self-identify this expression of their humanity in the future, who knows.
Is that unicorn from something, I swear I've seen it before.
Gender unicorn. The sequel to the genderbread person. The genderbread person was completely binary, while the gender unicorn adds a third variable in all the categories. Associating nonbinary inclusion with unicorns was an interesting choice...