How do you know when you're being assertive enough?
It's weird, in the moment, I get blindsided by an interaction and only after it's over to I realize I said or went along with things I didn't want to. I'm trying so hard not to talk to people and I want to change that. I'm avoiding people because I'm scared of interacting and getting it wrong.
I can protect myself, but that means against everyone. Like I can deflect with humor or defend myself and so I keep people at a distance. I'm pushing people away, I'm avoiding them that badly. Because the truth is, I don't assert myself at all. I'm afraid that asserting myself will hurt people.
But I know I'm hitting a wall and that's from me not being assertive.
How do you know when you're doing too much or too little assertiveness? Do you have an internal sense of that? The way I sense it is by looking at the person for signs of pain or discomfort when I talk. So I hold back when I know what I'm saying might be something they don't want to hear.
What helps you know when you're being appropriately assertive?
keepcarrot [she/her] - 2.3yr
I have no idea but most of the responses here were unhelpful
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Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her] - 2.3yr
A piece of advice I found helpful is to frame things in terms of expressing how people's actions make you feel. If you frame it as an objective or accusatory thing, people are more likely to argue or get defensive, but if you just say, "when you do X it makes me feel Y" (be specific) then it doesn't leave as much room to argue. The majority of people have an innate drive to avoid making other people feel bad, and a lot of problems can be caused by a lack of awareness rather than malice. But people also have a drive to avoid accusations of wrongdoing to preserve their ego and social status. So if you just bring an issue to their attention and say, "This is how your actions make me feel, do with this information as you will," it can often work better in terms of getting them to change their behavior as compared to being more forceful.
A lot of times when someone doesn't express when something's bothering them, they start ruminating about the person and coming up with all sorts of negative thoughts about them, even if the offender is well-meaning and simply unaware of what they're doing. This can lead to overcorrecting and blowing up in their face, or it can lead to pushing them away without ever giving them a chance. And avoiding it obviously doesn't get them to change their behavior. Counter-intuitively, being assertive can make people like and respect you more because people usually don't want their peers to just be pushovers. It's ok if they're defensive in the moment, not every interaction has to go positively at every moment.
If you follow the advice of framing it in terms of how you feel, it should make it easier to stand your ground. They can make excuses and that's fine, just stick to the core point. "I understand that [their excuse], I'm just letting you know that it makes me feel [emotion]." You know your emotions better than they do, so there's no reason for you to back down on that point. And once you've communicated your feelings, you can drop the subject and move on. Even if it looks like you "lost" the argument in the moment, it can still be effective at changing their behavior.
This advice works well in my experience for voluntary peer-level relationships. If they don't change even when they know it's bothering you, then maybe they're not worth trying to be friends with. But you shouldn't just assume that before you've brought it to their attention and given them a chance to correct their behavior.
How do you deal with involuntary relationships, like someone in a position of authority who you can't easily walk away from, who doesn't give a shit how you feel? Fuck if I know. Do a revolution and abolish hierarchy. In the meantime, you gotta ask someone else because I'm terrible at that. But I also used to be terrible at asserting myself in my personal relationships too and this advice did a lot to help me find the right balance.
This website is what I'm drawing from and I found it to be a great resource for recontextualizing how I thought about the issue. Assertiveness doesn't have to be about putting others down, and done properly it's an important part of a healthy relationship.
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sappho [she/her] - 2.3yr
Assertiveness isn't something that exists in a vacuum. "How do you know when you are being assertive enough" - is like asking, "How do you know if you're running fast enough" - well, what are you running from, and is it catching up to you yet? Your level of assertiveness is enough when it's sufficient to protect you from others and get what you want/need from them.
You say you tone down your assertiveness because you're concerned about hurting others. But by not asserting yourself, you are hurting yourself. You compromise on things you want/need and disrespect yourself. You are also a person and so if you hurt yourself in this way it's also a really bad thing! But you might be so sensitive to the potential pain of others that you have become numb to the sensation of your own present pain.
Or, to put it another way, you may have learned to devalue yourself relative to others to such an extent that their discomfort is "real" or "valid", but yours is "fake," "exaggerated," something you need to manage or get over. This is a message we get societally when we're neurodivergent.
I believe the holistic direction out of this place is to become alive to the pain you are currently accepting for yourself. You are sensitive to the needs of others. You are afraid of hurting them. But that hurt is already happening, to you, in your body. Can you stop it?
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FourteenEyes [he/him] - 2.3yr
T-pose to assert dominance over your social enemies and feed upon their terror
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nephs @lemmygrad.ml - 2.3yr
Is this work related? Like saying or going along with things you didn't want to?
I guess it depends on situation, but in personal situations, there's the good old "I'm not comfortable with that, sorry". If they are not willing to respect your discomfort, you shouldn't have to respect theirs.
In work situations the same should apply, but not everyone is in a position to risk losing their jobs, so it gets more... professional. You'd have to assess your relationships, leverages, and the power dynamics to find the best strategy. But it comes with practice, conversation and reviewing, to get you experienced with other people.
If anything, it's worth remembering that everyone is just people. Afraid, struggling and just doing their best from what they got. Usually willing to support each other in the struggle. :)
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Magician [he/him, they/them] - 2.3yr
It's at work, but in general I end up being too accommodating and willing to nod and smile through interactions to avoid friction.
I appreciate the feedback. I think I'm too good at avoiding conflict but I want to give people a chance to be people.
Magician in neurodiverse
How do you know when you're being assertive enough?
It's weird, in the moment, I get blindsided by an interaction and only after it's over to I realize I said or went along with things I didn't want to. I'm trying so hard not to talk to people and I want to change that. I'm avoiding people because I'm scared of interacting and getting it wrong.
I can protect myself, but that means against everyone. Like I can deflect with humor or defend myself and so I keep people at a distance. I'm pushing people away, I'm avoiding them that badly. Because the truth is, I don't assert myself at all. I'm afraid that asserting myself will hurt people.
But I know I'm hitting a wall and that's from me not being assertive.
How do you know when you're doing too much or too little assertiveness? Do you have an internal sense of that? The way I sense it is by looking at the person for signs of pain or discomfort when I talk. So I hold back when I know what I'm saying might be something they don't want to hear.
What helps you know when you're being appropriately assertive?
I have no idea but most of the responses here were unhelpful
A piece of advice I found helpful is to frame things in terms of expressing how people's actions make you feel. If you frame it as an objective or accusatory thing, people are more likely to argue or get defensive, but if you just say, "when you do X it makes me feel Y" (be specific) then it doesn't leave as much room to argue. The majority of people have an innate drive to avoid making other people feel bad, and a lot of problems can be caused by a lack of awareness rather than malice. But people also have a drive to avoid accusations of wrongdoing to preserve their ego and social status. So if you just bring an issue to their attention and say, "This is how your actions make me feel, do with this information as you will," it can often work better in terms of getting them to change their behavior as compared to being more forceful.
A lot of times when someone doesn't express when something's bothering them, they start ruminating about the person and coming up with all sorts of negative thoughts about them, even if the offender is well-meaning and simply unaware of what they're doing. This can lead to overcorrecting and blowing up in their face, or it can lead to pushing them away without ever giving them a chance. And avoiding it obviously doesn't get them to change their behavior. Counter-intuitively, being assertive can make people like and respect you more because people usually don't want their peers to just be pushovers. It's ok if they're defensive in the moment, not every interaction has to go positively at every moment.
If you follow the advice of framing it in terms of how you feel, it should make it easier to stand your ground. They can make excuses and that's fine, just stick to the core point. "I understand that [their excuse], I'm just letting you know that it makes me feel [emotion]." You know your emotions better than they do, so there's no reason for you to back down on that point. And once you've communicated your feelings, you can drop the subject and move on. Even if it looks like you "lost" the argument in the moment, it can still be effective at changing their behavior.
This advice works well in my experience for voluntary peer-level relationships. If they don't change even when they know it's bothering you, then maybe they're not worth trying to be friends with. But you shouldn't just assume that before you've brought it to their attention and given them a chance to correct their behavior.
How do you deal with involuntary relationships, like someone in a position of authority who you can't easily walk away from, who doesn't give a shit how you feel? Fuck if I know. Do a revolution and abolish hierarchy. In the meantime, you gotta ask someone else because I'm terrible at that. But I also used to be terrible at asserting myself in my personal relationships too and this advice did a lot to help me find the right balance.
This website is what I'm drawing from and I found it to be a great resource for recontextualizing how I thought about the issue. Assertiveness doesn't have to be about putting others down, and done properly it's an important part of a healthy relationship.
Assertiveness isn't something that exists in a vacuum. "How do you know when you are being assertive enough" - is like asking, "How do you know if you're running fast enough" - well, what are you running from, and is it catching up to you yet? Your level of assertiveness is enough when it's sufficient to protect you from others and get what you want/need from them.
You say you tone down your assertiveness because you're concerned about hurting others. But by not asserting yourself, you are hurting yourself. You compromise on things you want/need and disrespect yourself. You are also a person and so if you hurt yourself in this way it's also a really bad thing! But you might be so sensitive to the potential pain of others that you have become numb to the sensation of your own present pain.
Or, to put it another way, you may have learned to devalue yourself relative to others to such an extent that their discomfort is "real" or "valid", but yours is "fake," "exaggerated," something you need to manage or get over. This is a message we get societally when we're neurodivergent.
I believe the holistic direction out of this place is to become alive to the pain you are currently accepting for yourself. You are sensitive to the needs of others. You are afraid of hurting them. But that hurt is already happening, to you, in your body. Can you stop it?
T-pose to assert dominance over your social enemies and feed upon their terror
Is this work related? Like saying or going along with things you didn't want to?
I guess it depends on situation, but in personal situations, there's the good old "I'm not comfortable with that, sorry". If they are not willing to respect your discomfort, you shouldn't have to respect theirs.
In work situations the same should apply, but not everyone is in a position to risk losing their jobs, so it gets more... professional. You'd have to assess your relationships, leverages, and the power dynamics to find the best strategy. But it comes with practice, conversation and reviewing, to get you experienced with other people.
If anything, it's worth remembering that everyone is just people. Afraid, struggling and just doing their best from what they got. Usually willing to support each other in the struggle. :)
It's at work, but in general I end up being too accommodating and willing to nod and smile through interactions to avoid friction.
I appreciate the feedback. I think I'm too good at avoiding conflict but I want to give people a chance to be people.
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