What is going on with young people, do they think everyone who owns a shop is a millionaire??
Gnugit - 5day
If you are in a major supermarket and see someone stealing food, no you didn't.
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TheReanuKeeves @lemmy.world - 5day
I don't generally condone stealing but one time I was at walmart I saw a girl about 20 walk in and grab a pack of pizza goldfish off the shelf, open it, started eating them then walked right out. I couldn't help but laugh at the absurdity of it.
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Zagorath - 5day
What is going on with young people, do they think everyone who owns a shop is a millionaire??
Title says "to some degree". Article doesn't explain what this means, but it very well could include people who say it's ok when the store being stolen from is Coles or Woolies.
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ikt - 5day
why is it ok to steal from them?
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zurohki - 4day
Why is it OK that people work at a job, produce wealth, then almost all of it goes to some fuck on a yacht?
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harmbugler - 4day
It's not, but you might understand the sentiment amid wage theft scandals and huge profits while blaming inflation.
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Ricky Rigatoni - 4day
Why is it ok that people working 80 hours a week live in poverty?
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ikt - 4day
no one in australia is working 80 hours a week and living in poverty
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Strayce @lemmy.sdf.org - 5day
What is going on with retailers, do they think every young person who shops is a millionaire??
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zurohki - 4day
That would explain the prices, I guess.
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themeatbridge - 5day
I have been trying to do all my Christmas shopping at small businesses, and I've found it's nearly impossible. Mom and pop shops simply don't exist anymore. Even when I was trying to buy direct online from small businesses, they send me to their Amazon shop.
Big box stores and corporate chains have cannibalized the international economy. The value they have stolen in the form of monopolies, exploited global laborers, anti-competitive practices, and wage theft more than justifies whatever you can fit in your pockets. Capitalists are stealing from you, so turnabout is fair play.
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Nyssa Sylvatica - 4day
Small businesses have a bigger tax burden than corporations now making it almost impossible to compete. Add in the fact that investment firms are buying all the commercial real estate and the only small businesses left are the ones who bought their building 30 years ago.
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webghost0101 @sopuli.xyz - 5day
Theft is a symptom, not a disease.
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SomeRandomNoob @discuss.tchncs.de - 5day
If you see someone stealing food you didn’t
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recursive_recursion - 5day
I didn't see anyone except rich people steal.
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Toneswirly @beehaw.org - 5day
Cant speak for Australia, but in the US price increases are a far percentage above baseline inflation. It is profit-driven and greedy behavior, fleecing an already struggling population. So yeah, im not gonna bat an eye at someone taking a candy bar.
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eureka - 4day
Australia has an ongoing housing crisis, increasing inflation above the RBA target, and a very normal dislike of the two main supermarket chains for all kinds of shenanigans.
If I see someone stealing food, then no, I didn't.
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ikt - 3day
But you can understand why they are doing this right?
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eureka - 2day
Of course we can understand why. Kmart Australia Limited is trying to protect their own economic interests in order to optimise profit. Similarly, many visitors are protecting their own economic interests by spending less money, including illegal methods.
Naturally, I care about the economic interests of regular Australians over the economic interests of the major shareholders of the Wesfarmers conglomerate.
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ikt - 2day
Hrmmm see I can sort of understand if you are saying extremely poor people who are starving and need food, if they steal from coles and woolworths, sure I can give that a moral pass
But now you're suggesting they walk out of kmart with items?
Similarly, many visitors are protecting their own economic interests by spending less money, including illegal methods.
They are always free to not shop at kmart and simply not have the item
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SaneMartigan - 4day
I'd love to see the shoplifting loss VS wage theft study... You know, for science.
This rage bait article failed on the major point about theft is that few people care about faceless corporations who already have questionable ethics.
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CTDummy - 5day
Monash University's report also found a rise in specific behaviours, including shoplifting (27 per cent), changing price tags on products (30 per cent), not scanning some items at self-checkout terminals (32 per cent), and scanning items as cheaper alternatives (36 per cent).
Overall how much of this is made viable by replacing workers with self checkouts machines?
Vincent Hurley, who specialises in the contemporary role of police and policing within criminological theories at Macquarie University, said when it comes to retail theft, soaring prices may be driving the trend. "There is inflation and stagnation of wages, especially for part-time workers. So even to survive, some would consider stealing to be a way to survive in this cost-of-living crisis," he told SBS News.
The cost of everything has gone up. What do people expect to happen? People in poverty, or let’s be real these day, even people who aren’t; just wander off somewhere and quietly starve to death? Woolies and Cole’s have been raking in cash during this pricing crisis. Im fortunate now to have a decent job, that I was incredibly lucky to get. A couple years ago I was on Centrelink. It didn’t even cover rent for a shithole. IDGAF if people steal from large retail chains to survive in economic crisis that they profit off.
Taylor* is a deli worker at Woolworths who is sympathetic to shoplifters.
“I’ve seen people put things in backpacks and just walk off and I haven't said anything,” they said.
“I like to do a blanket assumption that if someone's stealing something, they probably need it.”
While some employees are diligent about preventing theft, Taylor said others turn a blind eye – or even participate in shoplifting themselves.
“If you don't want people to steal, get rid of the self-checkout entirely and pay people to work registers,” they said.
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Taylor also admitted to secretly marking down the price of deli meats and seafood for friends and customers, after witnessing the price of salmon rise by $10 a kilogram in the last three months.
“If I have the power to do it and it’s not that risky for me, then I'll happily do what I can to help out,” they said.
So, hands up, who's looked at the report or survey? (Yes, SBS didn't link it, I sent them feedback and I encourage you to as well)
"Tasting fruit in a supermarket without buying it" was considered a "blatant form of theft", despite 45% of all surveyed not saying it's illegal.
Taking supplies from a workplace is something even my straight-edge older relatives rationalise - "I'm doing work at home", which was true, but I've never seen those supplies returned, and again, 26% of people didn't say it was illegal.
Interestingly, a pretty consistent 5% of all surveyed said all those above forms of theft are completely justifiable, and an additional 10% said very justifiable. That means around 15% of all surveyed were confident that all forms of blatant theft are justifiable. That's not some outlier of antisocial criminals, that's around 1 in 6 people. Pick six people.
As the article says, the young vs. old difference is huge, but unfortunately the report doesn't give much useful information as the age section clumps everything from "a little justifiable" to "completely justifiable" into one category. Even so, we're talking about 80-95% of respondents aged 55+ saying blatant theft is not at all justifiable, compared to only about 40-45% of those aged 18-34. Those are huge differences in generational ethics.
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WaterWaiver - 4day
Orange Supermarket in Sydney's south
The one at Wolli Creek, or is that not south enough?
At Wolli you've got:
ALDI (cheaper, but half the time out of stock, limited selection)
Woolworths (expensive for most items)
Orange Supermarket (expensive for most items)
Someone cut off the trolley keys in the Woolies carpark recently :D
Wolli apartments probably have a big variety of people in different socio-economic conditions, but I feel that woolworths & orange are priced to suit the higher end of the market. In particular woolies seems to stock lots of Wagyu beef.
I wonder if more is lifted at Orange & Woolworths than Aldi. I'd feel more comfortable stealing from places with higher prices.
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m0darn @lemmy.ca - 5day
Was this article written by Javert?
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curiousaur @reddthat.com - 4day
Best buy sold me a broken item and refused to accept the return. Those items were behind the counter so I couldn't lift the same thing, so I lifted the equivalent price in other items.
Eyekaytee in sydney
"Our survey found that more than half [54 per cent] of 18-to-34-year-olds said that retail theft was justifiable to some degree,"
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/small-business-secrets/article/christmas-cheer-turns-to-fear-for-millions-of-shop-owners-in-australia/28uem6yi1What is going on with young people, do they think everyone who owns a shop is a millionaire??
If you are in a major supermarket and see someone stealing food, no you didn't.
I don't generally condone stealing but one time I was at walmart I saw a girl about 20 walk in and grab a pack of pizza goldfish off the shelf, open it, started eating them then walked right out. I couldn't help but laugh at the absurdity of it.
Title says "to some degree". Article doesn't explain what this means, but it very well could include people who say it's ok when the store being stolen from is Coles or Woolies.
why is it ok to steal from them?
Why is it OK that people work at a job, produce wealth, then almost all of it goes to some fuck on a yacht?
It's not, but you might understand the sentiment amid wage theft scandals and huge profits while blaming inflation.
Why is it ok that people working 80 hours a week live in poverty?
no one in australia is working 80 hours a week and living in poverty
What is going on with retailers, do they think every young person who shops is a millionaire??
That would explain the prices, I guess.
I have been trying to do all my Christmas shopping at small businesses, and I've found it's nearly impossible. Mom and pop shops simply don't exist anymore. Even when I was trying to buy direct online from small businesses, they send me to their Amazon shop.
Big box stores and corporate chains have cannibalized the international economy. The value they have stolen in the form of monopolies, exploited global laborers, anti-competitive practices, and wage theft more than justifies whatever you can fit in your pockets. Capitalists are stealing from you, so turnabout is fair play.
Small businesses have a bigger tax burden than corporations now making it almost impossible to compete. Add in the fact that investment firms are buying all the commercial real estate and the only small businesses left are the ones who bought their building 30 years ago.
Theft is a symptom, not a disease.
If you see someone stealing food you didn’t
I didn't see anyone except rich people steal.
Cant speak for Australia, but in the US price increases are a far percentage above baseline inflation. It is profit-driven and greedy behavior, fleecing an already struggling population. So yeah, im not gonna bat an eye at someone taking a candy bar.
Australia has an ongoing housing crisis, increasing inflation above the RBA target, and a very normal dislike of the two main supermarket chains for all kinds of shenanigans.
If I see someone stealing food, then no, I didn't.
But you can understand why they are doing this right?
Of course we can understand why. Kmart Australia Limited is trying to protect their own economic interests in order to optimise profit. Similarly, many visitors are protecting their own economic interests by spending less money, including illegal methods.
Naturally, I care about the economic interests of regular Australians over the economic interests of the major shareholders of the Wesfarmers conglomerate.
Hrmmm see I can sort of understand if you are saying extremely poor people who are starving and need food, if they steal from coles and woolworths, sure I can give that a moral pass
But now you're suggesting they walk out of kmart with items?
They are always free to not shop at kmart and simply not have the item
I'd love to see the shoplifting loss VS wage theft study... You know, for science.
This rage bait article failed on the major point about theft is that few people care about faceless corporations who already have questionable ethics.
Overall how much of this is made viable by replacing workers with self checkouts machines?
The cost of everything has gone up. What do people expect to happen? People in poverty, or let’s be real these day, even people who aren’t; just wander off somewhere and quietly starve to death? Woolies and Cole’s have been raking in cash during this pricing crisis. Im fortunate now to have a decent job, that I was incredibly lucky to get. A couple years ago I was on Centrelink. It didn’t even cover rent for a shithole. IDGAF if people steal from large retail chains to survive in economic crisis that they profit off.
From a 2023 article:
This song explains why.
So, hands up, who's looked at the report or survey? (Yes, SBS didn't link it, I sent them feedback and I encourage you to as well)
"Tasting fruit in a supermarket without buying it" was considered a "blatant form of theft", despite 45% of all surveyed not saying it's illegal.
Taking supplies from a workplace is something even my straight-edge older relatives rationalise - "I'm doing work at home", which was true, but I've never seen those supplies returned, and again, 26% of people didn't say it was illegal.
Interestingly, a pretty consistent 5% of all surveyed said all those above forms of theft are completely justifiable, and an additional 10% said very justifiable. That means around 15% of all surveyed were confident that all forms of blatant theft are justifiable. That's not some outlier of antisocial criminals, that's around 1 in 6 people. Pick six people.
As the article says, the young vs. old difference is huge, but unfortunately the report doesn't give much useful information as the age section clumps everything from "a little justifiable" to "completely justifiable" into one category. Even so, we're talking about 80-95% of respondents aged 55+ saying blatant theft is not at all justifiable, compared to only about 40-45% of those aged 18-34. Those are huge differences in generational ethics.
The one at Wolli Creek, or is that not south enough?
At Wolli you've got:
Someone cut off the trolley keys in the Woolies carpark recently :D
Wolli apartments probably have a big variety of people in different socio-economic conditions, but I feel that woolworths & orange are priced to suit the higher end of the market. In particular woolies seems to stock lots of Wagyu beef.
I wonder if more is lifted at Orange & Woolworths than Aldi. I'd feel more comfortable stealing from places with higher prices.
Was this article written by Javert?
Best buy sold me a broken item and refused to accept the return. Those items were behind the counter so I couldn't lift the same thing, so I lifted the equivalent price in other items.
What a load of bullshit.
Right? It's far too low!